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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 14:45:19 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 08:04:10 2018. I didn't say they should. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 14:46:00 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 08:07:21 2018. Where would you wait? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 14:50:46 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 08:31:13 2018. They are. Generally on the even numbered blocks but there are several exceptions. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sun May 13 15:25:37 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 07:51:05 2018. There are a variety of views within any single community, some of which are supportive of public transportation use, and some of which are opposed. And some taxpayers are not individuals but are businesses. There are also persons from outside the community who are taxpayers as well, and who want to be able to travel to various places within the city of New York. I believe that Breezy Point is the single largest community within the city of New York that is without lawful transportation (there exists no franchise for any company to operate public transportation along city streets to and from Breezy Point, and any purported transportation doing so would be unlawful). And as noted, historically, Breezy Point was served by route Q22, operated by Green Bus Lines, and for a time by MTABC. Thus, there are issues of policy that ought to be considered, and not just ignored (or be be presumed not to be relevant) by MTABC. Instead, the MTABC simply eliminated the Q22 bus service to Breezy Point administratively, and without any public input. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 16:11:14 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 14:46:00 2018. Outside the bus garage along the Main Street. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 16:14:15 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 14:43:09 2018. Like Shelter Island. Be nice if the had a Rt 114 bus that went from North Ferry landing to South Ferry landing. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Sun May 13 16:21:09 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 10:55:00 2018. Another factor against moving buses from Newport to RBB: People living near the north side (near Beach Channel Drive) will have a longer walk, in some cases going from 2 to 3 long blocks. It may seem overmuch to have routes a block apart, but it makes sense here (unlike the late Q14 on 149th Street, which I never understood).Speaking of the Q14, why couldn't the MTA have extended the Q34 to the original 7 Ave/Clintonville destination, instead of making the Q15 do double duty and annoy the residents of 10th Ave? |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sun May 13 18:01:06 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 08:07:21 2018. Franchises in New York City are non-exclusive, so it would not have been sufficient to keep NYCTA from operating a route along the same street. The Green Bus Lines franchise for Beach Beach Channel Drive was from Mott Avenue to Beach 35 Street via route Q21A, from Beach 35th Street to Beach 73rd Street via route Q22, from Beach 73rd Street to the Cross Bay Bridge via route Q21A, from Beach 116th Street to Beach 117th Street via route Q35, and within Riis Park via routes Q22 and Q35. No franchise existed from the Cross Bay Bridge to Beach 116th Street, for from Beach 117th Street to Riis Park. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sun May 13 18:03:45 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Snilcher on Sun May 13 16:21:09 2018. The city of New York might have objected, given that it fully funds the deficit of the Q34 bus route, but not the Q14 bus route. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 19:10:00 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 09:30:42 2018. You have the problem of residents accepting new bus stops. This would not be a problem on a commercial street. Most consider bus stops right in front of their house to be a nuisance that may lower their property value. Also installing bus pads is not cheap. I think it costs between $5,000 and $10,000 each. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 19:12:46 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 08:10:54 2018. From what I heard the quarter mile standard applies to the entire city except the outermost part or Staten Island where it is one-half mile. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 19:16:56 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Sun May 13 18:01:06 2018. I am just repeating what I heard from someone n a position who shoukd have known that there was a franchise on Beach Channel Drive by Green Bus Lines. If it really was true or not, I can't say. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 19:19:39 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 13 16:11:14 2018. You mean Beach Channel Drive in Far Rockaway |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 19:27:28 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Snilcher on Sun May 13 16:21:09 2018. You're correct about the change from Newport to RBB. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 19:30:33 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Sun May 13 15:25:37 2018. Breezy is also a Co-op. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Mon May 14 04:55:41 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 19:16:56 2018. Well, the early franchise for route Q21A was along Beach Channel Drive, from Mott Avenue to thee Cross Bay Bridge, and for route Q22 along Rockaway Beach Beach Boulevard and Edgemere Avenue. Later, the two franchised routes became a bit tangled as described previously. But your point about Green Bus Lines having a franchise for Beach Channel Drive is correct (though only east of the Cross Bay Bridge, not the portion between the bridge and Riis Park), even if such franchise did not preclude the Board of Estimate from authorizing other bus routes along Beach Channel Drive. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Mon May 14 04:59:15 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 19:30:33 2018. The residential areas are owned by a cooperative, but the main roadway is a city-owned street. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 14 09:20:33 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Mon May 14 04:59:15 2018. Whether or not that is true, I find it very hard to believe they would be interested in having a bus come into their community.Out of curiosity where do you suppose they would turn the bus around? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 12:34:20 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Mon May 14 04:55:41 2018. Since there is no Franchise Bureau anymore, do you know what replaced it? Does DOT now grant approval for new bus routes? |
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Posted by northshore on Mon May 14 15:59:52 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 12:34:20 2018. Correct. NYC DOT s now responsible for issuing franchises for bus routes within NYC |
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Posted by Snilcher on Mon May 14 17:02:16 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Sun May 13 18:03:45 2018. That is a good point. Yet they saw fit to extend the Q19 to Flushing (a wise and long overdue move). |
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Posted by Snilcher on Mon May 14 17:14:08 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Mon May 14 04:55:41 2018. I always wondered if the exchange of the Q21A and Q22 between Bch 73 and Bch 35 contributed to the demise of the Q21A. That section of RBB was essentially a wasteland compared with the much more populated BCD stretch. So I would guess it reduced Q21A ridership, at least within Rockaway, to a considerable extent. Perhaps the Q21A could have survived if that hadn't happened. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 14 17:37:17 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 13 19:19:39 2018. No, I responded to the wrong post about upstate NY. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 00:38:53 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Snilcher on Mon May 14 17:14:08 2018. I am not sure what the history was there, but I imagine it might be part of the Brooklyn Daily Eagle coverage of the time, now available online.I think it is also interesting that so many streets--more so I think than any other single place in Queens County--that streets became re-aligned in the Rockaways, and especially Rockaway Beach Boulevard (between Beach 110th and Beach 102nd, and between Beach 56th and Beach 35th Street), Beach Channel Drive (between Beach 84th and Beach 77th), Edgemere Avenue being replaced by Seagirt Boulevard, etc. And then the Q22 being taken off of Beach 21st, and instead going along Seagirt Boulevard and Beach 19th/20th, and the meandering of the Q22A near Seagirt Boulevard. The only thing that seems to come close is how the streets and routes in Coney Island were re-aligned. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 00:41:59 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Snilcher on Mon May 14 17:02:16 2018. The difference being that the Q19 extension was done on its own, and not a case where MTABC service replaced NYCTA service (as would be the case with a Q34 extension over the Q14). |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 00:43:58 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 14 09:20:33 2018. You can view the turn-around loop here on an older version of the Q22 timetable, when it did operated to and from Breezy Point.https://web.archive.org/web/20061126074153/http://www.greenbus.com/122903/q22q22a1203.pdf |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue May 15 04:50:35 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 14 09:20:33 2018. Beach 222 Street has enough room. I have a feeling that future evacuation plans will require updated geometry (wider lanes and shoulders) to that city owned roadway. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 08:25:12 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 00:43:58 2018. That's showing the bus going onto private areas to make the turn around. How many buses went out there anyway? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 08:32:03 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by JAzumah on Tue May 15 04:50:35 2018. I can't believe you can turn a bus around down there on B. 222nd St. But I'm not in the business like you guys are so I'll take your word for it. And I don't know how much space there is to redesign 'the city owned roadway'. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 14:33:55 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 08:25:12 2018. You can see in the timetable that there was a single round-trip daily, but MTABC eliminated the route, seemingly without even so much as a public hearing. But again, the larger point here is that MTABC should be having conversations as how to provide transportation within its service area, and not strictly how to eliminate service. What appears to be the subject of the MTABC's plan is, effectively, reducing or eliminating the overlap between the Q22 and the Q35, and eliminating service along Newport Avenue, all the while ignoring unserved areas and whether such unserved areas should be served, or remain unserved (considering not only the view of persons who reside in such unserved areas, but also other persons who may desire to travel to and from those unserved areas). To that extent, the planners at MTABC are dishonest, incompetent, and/or corrupt. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 14:39:34 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 08:32:03 2018. There are several streets to be considered, including Beach 227th Street, or perhaps paving a small amount of land on the beach side of Rockaway Point Boulevard to create a U-turn loop (just as exists at Beach 169th Street). Details that can be addressed, but which distract from the greater policy issue of serving an unserved area of New York City. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 14:44:47 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 14:33:55 2018. Nobody will argue your last statement.My contention is that Breezy is unserved on purpose. They most likely don't want it and they will most likely argue that there is nothing for the general public to do out there thus eliminating the need for a public bus to roll through town every so often. If GBL ran a bus out there wasn't it a school special? And no I didn't read the time table I was interested in how to turn a bus around down there. And I order to do so it would have to gain access to private streets. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 15:16:59 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 14:39:34 2018. That 227th Street is in the Surf Club. I doubt they're looking for a city bus to make U turns in the parking lot. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 16:33:36 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 14:44:47 2018. A few points. (1) I make the stated conclusion on the the duty of a professional planner to examine the full scope of a particular examination, and not to just cherry-pick those elements that may result in a particular outcome (in this case, a reduction of service). That is being dishonest as a planner. The duty also entails having sufficient knowledge of the circumstances, which in this case would include knowledge of the existence of Breezy Point, that it is presently unserved, and that there had been service to and from Breezy Point prior to its discontinuance by MTABC. That goes to the competence of the planner. Finally, that the planner may be influenced by some persons, perhaps certain individuals in Breezy Point, and to keep a matter of public concern away from a full and public consideration, constitutes corruption. Yes, a conclusion on my part, but one that I believe to be well-supported as indicated. (2) It may be, as I think you are contending, that there is not a single person in the entire city of New York that desires to travel by bus to or from Breezy Point. I don't think that is the case. If I am correct, then there ought to be a balancing of the need for such public transportation against the opposing interests (e.g., cost of service, dislike of public transportation by some persons). (3) Neither Green Bus Lines nor any other public transportation service operator supported by federal transit funding is permitted to operate a "school special." All services are available to all persons without discrimination.Again, the bottom line is that MTABC should be looking at route Q22 fully and honestly. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 16:33:39 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 15:16:59 2018. To the extent that a city-owned street is used, there is no issue. To the extent that there exists a legitimate public need for the use of private property, the city possess the power of eminent domain (e.g., the city could obtain an easement). But these are details that should be decided upon following public input, not to be decided upon in advance and unilaterally by administrative officials. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 15 22:39:08 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 16:33:36 2018. The other thing to consider is that not having the Q22 run to Breezy Point also deprives the Roxbury area (around Beach 181st Street) of bus service, and Roxbury is a public area. Also, the street does look wide enough for the buses to perform a U-turn outside the boundaries of Breezy Point if necessary (so that Breezy Point residents can access the bus if they want).It's also worth noting that the Bx8 runs into Edgewater Park, which is a private community. So the assumption can't automatically be made that private community = dislike of mass transit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 16 08:57:47 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 15 22:39:08 2018. Roxbury is not a public area and is similarly gated to Breezy Point. The eastern end of Roxbury is not that far from Beach 169th and is therefore accessible to the Q22. Although the western end is nearly a mile away, that is a more reasonable walking distance than to Breezy Point, and one can walk within Roxbury, so it doesn’t involve walking along a desolate highway. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 16 09:41:37 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 15 22:39:08 2018. The only part of Roxbury that is public is State Rd. And they're not deprived of transit either. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 16 09:42:03 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 16 08:57:47 2018. True |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 10:43:48 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 16:33:36 2018. Also, they never answered the question of why they are eliminating half bus stops. If it is to have the buses go faster, then they have to show that the buses here are slower than the rest of the city which averages 5.7 mph. I would guess the average speed in the Q22 west of B116 is between 15 and 20 mph which would be one one the fastest local bus routes in the city.Therefore, there is no justification to eliminate bus stops. Eliminating stops because the stops are lightly utilized is just as ridiculous since lightly utilized stops mean most of the buses do not stop at most stops anyway, only when soneone has to get on or off. What they are doing is totally irresponsible and stupid unless their goal is to reduce patronage so they can reduce more service. They need to be held accountable for their decisions. Attending the Open House is useless. The residents and elected officials need to speak up and protest at the next MTA Board and Committee meetings. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 16 11:46:59 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 10:43:48 2018. If they save 5 minutes in each direction on the schedule, they need 1 less bus to run the service. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 16 13:42:37 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Wed May 16 11:46:59 2018. Those buses have to go so slow to be on time that they sometimes move over into the bike lane in Belle Harbor and Neponsit. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 16 14:45:07 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 16 13:42:37 2018. So they'll tighten the schedule and take a bus off along with the 14 stops. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 16 15:39:54 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Tue May 15 16:33:39 2018. The Surf Club property begins at its gate, and there is a stretch of public street approaching it.However, the land here and in fact all of the land in the Breezy Point area is not owned by the City of New York but rather by the National Park Service. Both the Breezy Point Cooperative and the Surf Club are concessions of the NPS. The city has no eminent domain power over federal property. In the event a street widening would be necessary, the city would need to acquire land from the federal government. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed May 16 15:55:58 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 10:43:48 2018. Time savings from eliminating bus stops accrue because of having fewer instances of deceleration into, and acceleration from, bus stops, and the time required for opening and closing the bus door. (The dwell time spent for the actual boarding and alighting of passengers remains the same, regardless if it is done with many people at a single bus stop, or distributed among several bus stops.) Thus, there can be time savings if the total number of times that the bus stops is reduced. But the number of times that a bus stops is different than the number of bus stops along a bus route. If a bus route has many bus stops, but only stops at a few of them, eliminating bus stops does nothing to improve average bus speed, since the actual number of times that the bus stops is unchanged. In other words, eliminating lightly-used bus stops has little, if any, effect on bus speeds. Given that many of the bus stops on route Q22 at issue here are lightly-used, there is little benefit to their elimination. Yet, by eliminating bus stops, accessibility to the transit system is reduced. That is, potential passengers must walk further, on average, to reach a bus stop, thereby lengthening the overall journey time for the passenger. This appears to be mindless implementation of a standard practice (i.e., bus stop spacing) by MTABC planners, without consideration of the actual effects of their action. BrooklynBus is correct in his assertion here. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed May 16 16:16:42 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 16 15:39:54 2018. An interesting detail. I would not be certain that in acquiring the land that the NPS also acquired the roadway. But assuming that to be the case, it seems to me likely that NPS would be cooperative in providing transit access (at least to the extent that it does not impose a substantial direct monetary cost). Consider Riis Park itself, also controlled by the NPS. Cooperative measures facilitating public transportation have been undertaken there. (But also consider what the U.S. Supreme Court once explained, though as dicta: "It is not questioned that land within a state purchased by the United States as a mere proprietor, and not reserved or appropriated to any special purpose, may be liable to condemnation for streets or highways, like the land of other proprietors, under the rights of eminent domain." United States v. Chicago, 48 U.S. 185, 194 (1849); contra Utah Power & Light Co. v. United States, 243 U.S. 389, 403-05 (1917).) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:01:25 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by Joe V on Wed May 16 11:46:59 2018. They won't save any time because the buses won't be making fewer stops if the ridership is as light as everyone says it is. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:09:27 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 10:43:48 2018. The distance from B116 Street to B169 Street is 2.5 miles. The schedule says 11 minutes. That's 25 mph. So how could the buses go any faster with fewer stops when the speed limit for most of the route is 25 mph? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:16:12 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BusMgr on Wed May 16 15:55:58 2018. You are correct. The only thing you are not considering is that with longer walks, your chance of just missing a bus also increases which could add another 10 or 20 minutes to your trip time.The MTA is looking for one size fits all solutions which just doesn't work. The bean counters have no idea how the system is actually used because they don't ride the buses they are planning for so they don't see what is obvious to the rest of us. Their arrogance prevents them from listening to others and their ego won't let them admit when they are proven wrong. As I stated elsewhere, the benchmark needs to be passenger travel time, not bus travel time and they need to care more about the passenger and not be guided solely by budget considerations. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed May 16 19:47:25 2018, in response to Re: Q22 & Q35 bus routes redesign, coming soon?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 19:09:27 2018. 11 minutes for 2.5 miles is roughly 15 mph not 25 mph. (10 minutes is 1/6 of an hour so 2.5×6=15) |
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