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Posted by gold_12th on Wed Jun 21 07:33:50 2017 "With the upcoming L train shutdown expected last 15 months, express bus service being rolled out by the MTA to ease commuter strain along 14th Street will stay in place even after the train is back up and running"https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170614/union-square/l-train-shutdown-sbs-14th-street |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 21 13:59:32 2017, in response to Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by gold_12th on Wed Jun 21 07:33:50 2017. Coming soon? Source?I haven't seen any promise of sooner than shortly before April 2019. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 21 15:05:49 2017, in response to Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by gold_12th on Wed Jun 21 07:33:50 2017. Idiots headline it as express bus service. That it is not. Express bus service has premium fare, SBS does not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 21 19:16:49 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 21 15:05:49 2017. It's not idiotic if they don't know the proper bus terminology. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 21 20:23:17 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 21 19:16:49 2017. And the limiteds on Manhattan Avenues (whether SBS or not) are definitely express buses with a lower case e. They make a lot fewer stops and they get to their destination a lot faster. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Jun 21 22:43:02 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 21 19:16:49 2017. I get your point, but why wouldn't a competent local journalist know? It's not like express buses are secret.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 21 22:49:10 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 21 19:16:49 2017. Since they specialize in NYC writing, they should know proper transit terminology. Same goes for all publications and TV/radio stations in this area. If they don't have anybody, then hire someone who knows. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jun 22 14:48:30 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 21 22:49:10 2017. A large majority of commuters do not have any interaction with an express bus. To them, they equate express with a limited or a SBS. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 22 16:54:10 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 21 22:49:10 2017. In some cases, using the proper terminology only increases confusion. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 22 18:57:03 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 21 19:16:49 2017. It's not idiotic if they don't know the proper bus terminology.If they are NYC reporters, than they should know the bus terminology. The Big Apple is their beat. Now if this was their first day on the job and fresh from the corn fields of Iowa, I'll cut them some slack. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by W.B. on Thu Jun 22 21:18:34 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 22 18:57:03 2017. All those who'd truly known their stuff about the City inside and out have been either bought out, "retired" or fired by bean-counter management of these newspapers and such, and replaced by cheaper people off the street who may well have come - as you put it - "from the cornfields of Iowa." |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 23 15:01:28 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 21 22:49:10 2017. Calling a limited bus that skips the majority of stops an "express" is common among the NYC public. The public (and the reporters who tell them stuff) have no obligation to use terminology that exists for the convenience of the MTA and its subsidiaries and not really for the benefit of the public. Similar to correctly knowing what is "north" or "south" or the difference between a manager and a supervisor. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 23 18:02:26 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 23 15:01:28 2017. If I'm a bus operator along Madison Ave. operating a LTD bus and a passenger who for whatever reason does not notice the sign and asks if it's an express bus, do I say yes or no?Suppose the person really wants a LTD bus? Suppose the passenger wants an express bus? How do I answer without delaying my bus without having a conversation? This is why the public better know the difference between a LTD and an express. And the fare! |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jun 23 23:35:19 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 23 18:02:26 2017. Ask where are they going? If they mention some neighborhood or destination in Manhattan, tell them to take your bus (or the appropriate one) and if it's a neighborhood in the outer boroughs, tell them to take a coach bus (if you know the route offhand, tell them that) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 24 07:00:17 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 23 18:02:26 2017. Then there's the truth-in-labeling bullshit with SI's S79 "SBS".It's an LTD with federal funding. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jun 24 08:19:45 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 24 07:00:17 2017. Exactly. They might as well label every limited that goes up Madison Ave SBS due to the spaced-out stops and bus lanes. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jun 24 12:40:37 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jun 23 23:35:19 2017. I used the words "without having a conversation" in my post.I'm sorry but the bus operator has to keep it moving. Buses are habitually late, passengers complain about slow service. ADA requirements slow buses down too. Every second counts. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jun 24 14:56:55 2017, in response to Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by gold_12th on Wed Jun 21 07:33:50 2017. From the cited article:"The new bus line will service the L train stops during the closure, and may make additional stops as well, officials said." Here's my simple question. Just how is this bux route "express"? Or even SBS? From the quote, if that bus is stopping at Eighth Avenue, Seventh Aenue, Sixth Avenue, Union Square (or Broadway), Third Avenue and First Avenue, and in the word of the MTA spokesman, a few more stops - then how is it "express" or even SBS? Just wondering. Mike |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 25 19:22:33 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jun 24 14:56:55 2017. Crosstown SBS tends to stop at every avenue. |
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Posted by JerBear on Mon Jun 26 08:22:02 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 23 15:01:28 2017. It's the MTA's fault. What do you call a subway train that skips 2 or 3 local stops as a recurring pattern for a significant portion of the line? Limited? No. Express. So since most people are used to the subway lingo more than buses, you can't blame people who think that skip-stop patterns are called "Express". They should come up with some other names for the buses. Call the coach buses "Coach" or "Suburban" or "Commuter" or "Pampered". |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 26 10:17:48 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jun 24 08:19:45 2017. Or every damn Manhattan crosstown that suddenly became SBS...making practically the same stops the old route made and no real difference in service other than Paying Before you get on. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 26 10:21:42 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by JerBear on Mon Jun 26 08:22:02 2017. 😆i c what you did . |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 26 10:23:47 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 25 19:22:33 2017. But may miss the little bus stops in the middle of the block. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 16:06:01 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by JerBear on Mon Jun 26 08:22:02 2017. It’s a good point, but I think that the bus terminology came about as a result of FACCO using the term “limited” in the private company days for buses on its various lines that skipped selected stops. In reality regular fare buses that skip stops should be referred to as “express” and the term “limited” should be applied to the premium fare services. To make it simple just reverse the terminology. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 26 16:45:17 2017, in response to Re: Coming soon: M14 SBS, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 16:06:01 2017. It simply could be the product of Marketing.The term "Express Bus" as applied to a higher fare reduced number of stops, and reduced operating hours bus operation has the appearance of being faster than the usual "city buses" and definitely NOT LIKE the "usual city buses." Applying the labels, "Suburban" or "Commuter" or "Pampered" - does not seem to work well with a set of buses that generally operate within the city limits. The "Limited" city buses often generally operated only during the rush hours - and at least on Staten Island were the rush hour versions of regular city bus routes, for example, the S62 becomes the S92, etc. Compared to a few decades ago currently there not are that many "rush hours only" subway train routes with separate route names. The only problem with "Coach" is that there is/was a private bus company with that name. Plus there's the problem even within the subways of calling a route "express" if it makes ALL stops in Manhattan (and Brooklyn) but skips stops in Queens. Or how about that period of calling the F train the "Sixth Avenue Express" while it and the K-train made all the same stops on Sixth Avenue (except 57th Street). Then there's the whole subway map problem of defining an "express station" to mean not the phyiscal structure of that station and its nearby cousins - but the idea that the train that stops at that station skips some stops "somewhere" even if a very far distance away. Why were the #4 Bronx stations were called "express" while the same physical structure type Bronx stations on the #6 were called "local" but the #6 actually had a rush hours "express" operation? Using the subway system as a model for the bus system can bring about it own headaches. Consistency of language, meaning, etc - is often not that easy to achieve. Stepping off soapbox. (Smile) Mike |
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