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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 13:07:00 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 08:18:22 2016. I doubt it's a full three minutes, but I hate the light at McGuinness Boulevard, Meeker Avenue and Humboldt Street. I always use Graham Avenue going southbound. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 20 13:10:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 12:08:49 2016. I'm envisioning a scenario in which he pulled into the crosswalk and then stopped. I.e., I'm also thinking that the story we're getting isn't quite what happened.It would have been much faster and convenient for the peds to let him finish his in-progress maneuver so they could remain in the crosswalk. Convenient for whom? The fact remains that the pedestrians had the right of way. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 13:35:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 20 13:10:52 2016. I'm envisioning a scenario in which he pulled into the crosswalk and then stopped.Why would he have stopped? Once you're already in a crosswalk you keep on going since you wouldn't have entered the crosswalk in the first place if there were pedestrians present who had the right of way. Convenient for whom?The pedestrians, of course! Why would they walk out of their way and take more time to get where they are going? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 14:09:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 13:35:55 2016. Why would he have stopped? Once you're already in a crosswalk you keep on going since you wouldn't have entered the crosswalk in the first place if there were pedestrians present who had the right of way.Perhaps another obstacle? Traffic backed up from the next intersection? I don't know for sure of course. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 14:19:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 12:02:36 2016. Is there any such qualification in the cited statute that limits the a pedestrian's expectation for having the right of way within the crosswalk with a walk aspect?The statement I am asking about is your own: "If the vehicle is in the process of traversing the crosswalk and a pedestrian enters that crosswalk, the vehicle must stop and cede the right of way to the pedestrian." I am not sure how you infer that from the statutes that you quote. Maybe you did not mean to always "stop?" It would be more than a little impractical to have a car mid-crosswalk completing a right turn onto a six-lane road come to a sudden stop because a pedestrian stepped into the same crosswalk five lanes away. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 20 14:24:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 13:35:55 2016. The pedestrians, of course! Why would they walk out of their way and take more time to get where they are going?Uh-huh. Obviously they'd get where they were going faster if they stopped for every car that wanted to get through the crosswalk. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 14:25:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 12:47:16 2016. I agree.But yeah I'd think more than twice about Manhattan. At a gridlocked Midtown intersection with the green light for the avenue, you would basically end up with a merge point - one through car and one turning car merging while traffic ahead clears! |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:29:08 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:35:27 2016. So I should have advanced a couple of feet and then stop again. And for how long shoukd I have waited at the beginning of the crosswalk? One second, two seconds, no seconds? |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:31:33 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:36:07 2016. Terrapin was talking about me being the car ahead and that the person behind me could have started driving assuming I was going to move a few feet forward to the crosswalk after making the turn. So it is not irrelevent. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:33:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:46:44 2016. There is no way to know that would have been the case. You are just speculating.They started crossing when they saw me move because it was only then that they realized the signal had changed. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:37:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Mon Sep 19 18:28:59 2016. You don't even understand the discussion. Terrapin was saying that I was the car ahead and the car behind he may have assumed I would start driving immediately and therefore could have moved and hit me before I started moving.My response was that anyone who would start driving before the car ahead starts and just assumes he will start, is a bad driver that would cause an accident. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:38:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:33:27 2016. You didn't have to say anything about cutting anyone off. The fact is I would have cut off those intending to cross if I just made the turn without waiting to see if anyone wants to cross. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:39:43 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:35:50 2016. Yes and I would have been cutting them off and not giving them the right of way as the law requires. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:42:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:38:35 2016. So DOT could be wrong and make a mistake. Just that everyone at the meeting wasn't capable of realizing when DOT is wrong. So no suggestion made at the meeting could have been a valid one.Am I clear on what you said now? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:43:53 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:39:07 2016. So how far is the crosswalk from the stop line when making a right turn from the curb lane? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:45:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:40:57 2016. How would you know if what I described is accurate or not? You could not possibly know. You just assume everything I say is inaccurate. You have zero reading comprehension ability which is why you say my story makes no sense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:02:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:47:22 2016. Because those near the far side of the crosswalk only had to walk one or two feet out of their way to cross outside the crosswalk. That only took them a couple of seconds. Those in the center of the crosswalk obviously did not have enough time to do that right away while those at the other end of the crosswalk only needed a few seconds to cross behind my car. Once I got stuck waiting the ten seconds, obviously there was more time remaining for people to cross outside the crosswalk. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:05:47 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 20:56:31 2016. No I didn't say that at all. I was responding to Terrapin's statement when I was talking about going straight. He said that if I waited two seconds, someone behind me may have started driving assuming I was going to move.I was dropped at a red signal waiting for it to turn green so I could make a right turn. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:07:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Tue Sep 20 07:45:19 2016. Okay. They do it in Brooklyn at all major intersections. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:11:03 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 08:36:42 2016. When I was a kid fifty years ago I remember one intersection that was three minutes red and one minute green. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:13:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 08:21:46 2016. 1112 But why would someone put his foot in the gutter if cars are already making right turns?I thought you are supposed to wait if someone is about to enter the crosswalk. That makes more sense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:16:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 12:08:49 2016. No I told the story the same way each time and there are no holes. What you just described is exactly what happened and that was my point. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:17:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 20 11:58:19 2016. No. No one started to cross after the two seconds. They only started after I was blocking the crosswalk by walking in front of and behind my car outside the crosswalk. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:20:48 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 13:35:55 2016. Walking around the car allowed them to start walking two seconds earlier, but since they had to walk further, they weren't saving any time anyway which is why they shoukd have just let me finish my turn or else start crossing when the signal turned green. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:22:13 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 12:31:03 2016. It could have been 7PM. I don't remember but you could check it on Google Maps. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 16:50:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 14:25:51 2016. That's not such a big deal, they'd just put up signs at every intersection. It works in other cities.NOTE: Left turn on red involving one way streets is legal in New York State. So you'd have to sign those intersections too. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 16:52:37 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:29:08 2016. It wouldn't have been "a couple of feet" unless you were turning into the curb lane, which you almost certainly weren't. But yes.You would not have had to wait at the crosswalk at all as there were no pedestrians in it per your description. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 16:54:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:33:22 2016. All of them? Sounds suspect. |
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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 16:55:20 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:31:33 2016. Withdrawn. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 17:40:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:17:59 2016. Why would you block a crosswalk? |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 17:41:13 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:22:13 2016. What's the location again? Maybe I might know it. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:41:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:37:20 2016. Yes. So? A bad driver that will start an accident could hit your car. Do you want that? He could push your car into a pedestrian. Do you want that? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:42:14 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:38:55 2016. No you wouldn't have. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:43:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:39:43 2016. NO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT CROSSING THE STREET - THEY WERE ON THE SIDEWALK. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:43:39 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:42:20 2016. Nope. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:45:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:43:53 2016. Depends. You want me to make something up? You want me to give you one actual example and pretend it is representative? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 17:50:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:45:47 2016. Where in that post did I say it wasn't accurate???I have excellent reading comprehension and your story makes no sense. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:20:25 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:05:47 2016. My post was not about going straight so why would your post have been? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:21:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:07:18 2016. All? |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:21:37 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:11:03 2016. So what? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:23:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:16:36 2016. It has changed and there are holes. What I just described makes no sense. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:24:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 17:40:16 2016. To drive through it. Perfectly normal. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:25:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:17:59 2016. How could they have gotten in front of your car if they only stepped out into the street once you were already in the crosswalk? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:25:46 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:22:13 2016. LOL!!! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 19:50:13 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:13:42 2016. 1112 But why would someone put his foot in the gutter if cars are already making right turns?The pedestrian is no more willing to waste his time by ceding his right of way than the driver is in denying it to the pedestrian. Besides, it's raining out and the pedestrian wants to remain as dry as possible. I thought you are supposed to wait if someone is about to enter the crosswalk. You were misinformed. That makes more sense. If one wants to create a set of rules to govern conduct, e.g. rules of the road, these rules must be absolute and not subject to ambiguity or human judgment. Consider the old Mass right of way statute. The right of way was formed on the basis of human judgment - who first entered the intersection. It was impossible for anyone not at the scene to determine who entered first. Each driver maintained that he entered first. The present rule that the vehicle on the right has the right of way is not subject to human judgment. If there is a collision, the driver entering from the left is in the wrong. Your rule requires the driver to make an assumption regarding the pedestrian's intentions. That's already subject to human judgment. If there is a collision how would somebody determine the pedestrian's intent (about to enter the crosswalk)? If the pedestrian lives, he would confirm his intent to enter the crosswalk by the fact he was in it at the time of the collision. Your rule also hinges on the meaning of "about." That's an ambiguous term. BTW, the driver has an additional responsiblilty: § 1146. Drivers to exercise due care. (a) Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law to the contrary, every driver of a vehicle shall exercise due care to avoid colliding with any bicyclist, pedestrian, or domestic animal upon any roadway and shall give warning by sounding the horn when necessary. For the purposes of this section, the term "domestic animal" shall mean domesticated sheep, cattle, and goats which are under the supervision and control of a pedestrian. You will note that this statute makes no mention of the whether the bicyclist, pedestrian or domestic animal is disobeying any statute. So, if you see a pedestrian in front of you and in the middle of the road while you have a green light, you must still exercise due care to avoid hitting him. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 20:51:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 19:50:13 2016. Finally, after all that, you admit that the answer to his question was "zero seconds", as I've been telling you for some time now. Mazel tov. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 21:50:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 16:17:59 2016. Help me out here.When you started moving there was nobody in the crosswalk, then when you entered the crosswalk, what happened? Was there a pedestrian in front of you that made you stop? If so, was that pedestrian with you in the crosswalk or beyond the crosswalk (jaywalking)? Was there another obstacle that made you stop? Did you stop at all (and if not how could any pedestrian cross in front of you)? If the pedestrians only started crossing after you were blocking the crosswalk, then why did you stop, if you stopped? |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 21:52:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 19:24:09 2016. But something stopped him there. I don't see any way he could report pedestrians crossing both in front and behind him outside the crosswalk if he wasn't stopped in the crosswalk. I want to know what made him stop since the pedestrians were all on the curb until he was blocking the crosswalk. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 22:03:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 20 15:38:55 2016. No, to cut someone off is to impede their progress. You're not responsible for the sidewalk, only the people in the street. Looking at the sidewalk can provide a hint that someone will be in the intersection shortly and you will have to yield, but that's it. Otherwise anyone can just stop traffic by standing on the corner!There are laws that prohibit pedestrians from running out into the street or so erratically in such a way that it is impossible for the driver to safely yield, and we cannot drive as if every pedestrian is contemplating suicide. Unless your car is coming extremely close to the curb during your right turn, you should be able, if you have already reached the crosswalk threshold, to drive through the crosswalk before a pedestrian with both feet on the sidewalk has a chance to bump into you or even be slowed down by you. |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 22:29:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 21:50:27 2016. Excellent post. |
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