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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:37:53 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:46:34 2016.

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It's not confusing, for the reasons I already gave.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:38:26 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 11:13:02 2016.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:39:31 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:47:56 2016.

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Because local roads with cross streets every 200 feet do not have exits.
Wrong. Yes they do. They have exits from the local street network onto an access-controlled roadway/network.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:40:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:49:24 2016.

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If you have a GPS you shouldn't need signs at all.
LOL, wrong!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!! The GPS says to turn here, onto Grand Avenue. How can you be sure you actually are at Grand Avenue unless there is a sign!?!?!?

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:41:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:50:11 2016.

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You have explained nothing and also avoided answering my questions.
Wrong, I explained almost everything, and I addressed your points/questions/whatever.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:43:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:52:58 2016.

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We are talking late 1980s.
Then why did you waste our time!?!!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?! Why didn't you say that right in the beginning!?!?!?!?!?! UNBELIEVABLE. I feel really bad for RIPTA and WMATA. And it could have been me.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:44:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:50:11 2016.

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You have explained nothing and also avoided answering my questions.
You have not responded to my posts where I explained it all to you.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 12:55:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:40:41 2016.

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Lets be real. He can't be sure he is at Grand avenue, even if there are 10 signs!

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 13:00:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 12:55:07 2016.

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Lets be real. He can't be sure he is at Grand avenue, even if there are 10 signs!
ahahahahahahahahahaaa

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 6 13:11:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:49:24 2016.

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If you have a GPS you shouldn't need signs at all.


Incorrect - - the signs guide you to which lane you should be on and the next road you will be on after the split.


By your logic, you should be guessing the correct lane to use after crossing the outbound (westbound) NJ side of the GW Bridge - - I95 (to I80), US 1/9/46, NJ Route 4, Palisades Parkway, NJ Route 63 (IINM) - the works.


Or try that mess by EWR - I78, U.S. 1/9 local and express lanes, U.S. 22, NJ Route 21/Raymond Blvd, NJ Turnpike/I95, EWR airport entrances. That's why signs are there not only to guide you as you are using GPS but also to get into the proper lane safely.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 6 13:12:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 12:55:07 2016.

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You can be at Grand Ave - - take the Q58 or Q59 bus. :-)

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 13:30:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 6 13:11:33 2016.

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To be fair, some/many GPSs provide lane guidance.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 6 13:58:38 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:43:33 2016.

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LOL uncontrollably.


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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Sep 6 15:48:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:49:24 2016.

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[i]If you have a GPS you shouldn't need signs at all. Also if you use the same roads often you also do not need signs.[/i]

That is funny coming from you.


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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 16:57:46 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 11:10:42 2016.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 16:59:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:35:02 2016.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 17:01:35 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:37:53 2016.

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I don't agree. I think that it is confusing.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 17:02:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:49:24 2016.

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This is not correct. You can't trust the GPS on faith.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 17:11:38 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:52:58 2016.

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"In Washingtn [sic] DC, there is a sign to turn left for the 14 Street Bridge and if you do, you find yourself crossing into Virginia. Needs to say 14 Street Bridge Only which it did not say when I was there."

emphasis added

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 17:41:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 17:02:45 2016.

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I disagree! If you are incapable of reading signs, have no understanding of traffic laws, and have no basic logic, you should blindly follow your GPS.

(That is, if you are driving. But such a person clearly should not be driving.)

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 6 17:51:26 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 17:01:35 2016.

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Yes, it's partially confusing in the ways we discussed. But BrooklynBus thinks it's waaaay more confusing than that. That's what I meant.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 6 17:52:14 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 17:11:38 2016.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 6 19:47:28 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 17:11:38 2016.

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The first sentence actually correctly applies to C Street today if you read the reference to the 14th street bridge as describing the turn you take rather than describing the sign.

Smothered in onions I ate the steak.


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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 6 21:13:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 1 13:31:20 2016.

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Fork? How about a spoon?

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 21:29:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Tue Sep 6 19:47:28 2016.

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However there is no such sign and therefore his post is completely incorrect. Your reference to C Street SW doesn't save it.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Sep 6 23:27:30 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:52:58 2016.

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So in the span of about 30 years they fixed the problem, Maybe you can get your critical thinking skills worked out eventually, too.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 7 00:15:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 21:29:22 2016.

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My faith in humanity is restored.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 7 00:17:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 5 05:59:50 2016.

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I would agree that the straight-ahead sign should say Astoria Blvd. rather than Marine Air Terminal. Marine Air Terminal is only one of many destinations you reach by going straight ahead and should really not be singled out. The sign vaguely implies that the rest of LGA would be to the right, since they singled out Marine Air Terminal as being straight ahead.
Don't overthink it. I'm fine with Marine Air Terminal if it also said Astoria Blvd.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 7 08:53:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 6 21:29:22 2016.

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His post is correct if you allow for its being ungrammatical.


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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 7 08:54:53 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 7 00:17:22 2016.

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Don't overthink it.

Agreed. It's not one of the major tragedies of human affairs in 2016.



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 7 10:09:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 7 08:53:54 2016.

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It's not correct as there is no sign.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 7 10:46:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 7 10:09:27 2016.

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There is a sign. It says (graphically) use this lane for a left turn.



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 7 11:08:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 7 10:46:40 2016.

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That's not a sign and if says nothing about the 14th Street Bridge.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 7 12:38:05 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 7 11:08:10 2016.

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It's not a sign????

If you accept that the original sentence had an inappropriately placed modifier, then it is not necessary that the sign refer to the 14th Street Bridge.




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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 7 16:11:25 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 7 12:38:05 2016.

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Lane markings are not "signs" for the purposes of this or most discussions.

And his post was clear as to his claim that the sign referred to the bridge by name or some variation thereof.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:16:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 17 19:43:44 2016.

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You obviously do not know how to read English.

No one would click on a link to a route that is not the one he is interested in.

That is like saying if there was a heading called American History and the clickable link was Civil War, someone interested in the Revolutionary War would click on "Civil War" in the absence of a link to Revolutionary War. Pure nonsense.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:20:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 17 21:21:36 2016.

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So you are saying there are no parallel streets to Woodhaven for traffic to spill over to.

Nonsense. The on,y difference between Woodhaven's parallel streets and Nostrand's is that Woodhaven's are less contiguous forcing you to switch streets about every quarter to half mile whereas you can travel much longer than that on Nostrand's parallel streets.

When traffic is nearly standing still, drivers will take any other street that is moving. In tine they will shift to other corridors like Leffets Blvd or the Van Wyck which is also overloaded.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:23:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Aug 17 22:42:11 2016.

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When traffic is barely moving, a quarter mile can take 15 minutes or longer. And there is every reason to believe that traffic will increase severely as it already has on northern Woodhaven.

Residents who use the street everyday know a hell more than you you only knows whet he reads on the Internet.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:24:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 17 19:45:54 2016.

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Anyone who know how to read English wou,d do nothing of the sort. Where is the proff that they wou,d do what you say. You are always asking for others to provide proff but never provide any yourself.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:28:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by R30A on Wed Aug 17 22:28:46 2016.

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No. You are the one who doesn't understand English.

Existing conditions are the present. When a plan is made, those existing conditions are changed so that when it is implemented, changed conditions replace the existing conditions.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:32:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by R30A on Wed Aug 17 22:48:13 2016.

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You can't say the community doesn't agree since you were not at the protest.

There was a bad accident recently in Newark where cars destroyed the median. The day before the protest there also was one on Woodhaven.

And DOT only shares the data it wants to share. Data that strengthens their cause.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:33:15 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 17 23:22:41 2016.

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A protest is not a debate. It is most often one side of an issue.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 11:33:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:32:07 2016.

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"You can't say the community doesn't agree since you were not at the protest."
Yes I can. Who is at the protest has no bearing on "The community"

"There was a bad accident recently in Newark where cars destroyed the median. The day before the protest there also was one on Woodhaven."
And EVERY DAY there are car accidents on sidewalks.

"And DOT only shares the data it wants to share. Data that strengthens their cause."
Simply false.


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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 11:37:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:23:03 2016.

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"When traffic is barely moving, a quarter mile can take 15 minutes or longer."
There is no reason to assume that traffic will slow to a pace of 1 MPH.

"And there is every reason to believe that traffic will increase severely as it already has on northern Woodhaven."
It has not increased severely on northern Woodhaven, so no big deal!
Besides, Northern Woodhaven does not have the final changes implemented yet, so it is of no bearing.

"Residents who use the street everyday know a hell more than you you only knows whet he reads on the Internet."
A. You have no knowledge of what residents who use the street every day think.
B. You have no knowledge of how I know the usage of Woodhaven.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:40:39 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 19 22:19:47 2016.

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But they do not say EXIT ONLY NEW YORK CITY. So no one would think NYC is close by. "Exit Only Belt Parkway Verrazano Bridge" is quite different.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 9 11:59:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 11:37:12 2016.

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owned owned owned

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 12:07:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:28:11 2016.

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You have no understanding of what the word "Plan" can mean.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 9 12:11:02 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:24:55 2016.

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Anyone who know how to read English wou,d do nothing of the sort.
Wrong!!!! Anyone in his right mind would click on that link if they wanted ANYTHING to do with SBS!!!!!!!!!!

Where is the proff that they wou,d do what you say.
The proff is that that's how the internet works. You clearly FAIL at the internets. And that's not an insult. That's just a fact-based observation. Generally, clicks are free. You don't get charged for extra clicks (assuming you are on a land-line-based data plan). So normal people on the internet click on anything and everything that may even be remotely relevant to what they want in the hopes of finding what they want. That's why they'd click. You must not find what you want too often if you refuse to click on anything that isn't EXACTLY what you want. We browse the WORLD WIDE WEB of LINKS. The whole idea of the INTERNET is that information is linked together. You find one thing, which has links to more related stuff. So if you find, on the main page of the MTA, a link about SBS, you damn well would click on it with the hopes (and EXPECTATION) of finding LINKS (it's the internet, you fool!) to more stuff about SBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But don't feel bad, it's not just you. I've anecdotally found that many old people are scared to click on anything and everything to find what they need. Old people need to listen to and learn from younger people. My 4-year-old would find SBS info faster than you. She navigates apps and websites AND FINDS WHAT SHE WANTS without having to ask me a million questions like you do! So sad.

You are always asking for others to provide proff but never provide any yourself.
Again, that's a lie. I almost always provide proff when necessary. You're a damn liar and a hypocrite.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 9 12:11:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 11:33:40 2016.

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Good post.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 9 12:13:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 11:33:15 2016.

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Wow. You're clueless. That's exactly what our point is! So you agree with us that the community DOES NOT agree. Stop making absurd statements like that- it just makes you look dishonest.

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