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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:18:55 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by R30A on Fri May 27 11:10:02 2016. STOP THE PRESSES. R30 admits Terrapin Station is wrong. Will Terrapin admit he's wrong.Stay tuned for further developments. |
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Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:20:12 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin Station Takes Awesome Photos, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jun 9 13:23:38 2016. I've yet to see you write he's right on anything. If you did, it must be buried in insults and sarcasm. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 14:35:10 2016, in response to Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:20:12 2016. He VERY rarely is. I remember a single instance about a year and a half ago. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:39:29 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 14:35:10 2016. I find that very hard to believe.Insults don't convince me he's wrong. Responses of "Nope," "Wrong," "Thank you for admitting you're wrong" don't explain how he's wrong. There's NOTHING educational in those answers. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 14:45:41 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:39:29 2016. That is why I write detailed responses on why he is wrong. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:50:41 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 14:45:41 2016. But then he counters.You write he's wrong and he writes you're wrong. So I should automatically believe Brian who writes with insults. Sometimes, facts aren't discussed but opinions. The bottom line is there's more heat than light. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 15:30:37 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:50:41 2016. But he does not actually counter. He ignores the actual data. Repeatedly. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 15:46:43 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 15:30:37 2016. The bottom line is I get tired of following the discussions. Brian comes off as mean spirited. He's attacked me for real or imagined errors. The key word is attacked. Then he loves to rub my face in the real or imagined error.I'm not going to accept that abusive behavior. Are you suggesting I should accept it? He doesn't start threads just loves to ambush them. His motives aren't clean. He acts like he's the Bus Chat police. Nobody gave him a badge. |
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Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Jun 9 16:44:59 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 15:46:43 2016. Three hours ago Brian posted this-Nostalgia- And you'll stop at nothing, including destroying this board T.S.- I've already destroyed the board. And it's OK, because it's my board and I'm the moderator, obviously. Nostalgia- Up to now, you haven't convinced Brooklyn Bus he's always wrong. T.S.- That's not what I'm trying to do. Because he's NOT always wrong. I just point out whenever he IS wrong." I added who wrote it as this was Brian's reply to you. You now write this about Brian - "He acts like he's the Bus Chat police. Nobody gave him a badge." If he is telling the truth and is the moderator, guess what, he does have that badge. Which would make you wrong. |
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Re: Cornell Park |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 18:21:25 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Jun 9 16:44:59 2016. Please email me. Thanks. |
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Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn |
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Posted by Terrapin station on Thu Jun 9 18:24:47 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 13:50:06 2016. Where did I disagree with vision zero? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:25:45 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Wed Jun 8 13:35:18 2016. Dementia was your first insult. I believe you said I was senile. Remember it now?You have not used any real facts, just manufactured ones. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 18:32:19 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:25:45 2016. Yes he has used real facts. Almost all the time. He also uses logic and reason and transportation principles. These are things that you fail to use most of the time. Or at least fail to use them correctly. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:32:34 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 00:30:04 2016. No one stated that any state tells drivers to wait three seconds after a signal turns green to start moving. What I and Jay Zee stated was that it was prudent not to nail the gas as soon as the signal turns green.The reason I waited two seconds was to determine if pedestrians wanted to cross. How else was I supposed to know. If I started making the turn the instant the signal turned, I would be cutting off pedestrians and not giving them the right if way. So I still would gave been wrong. According to you, I was also wrong by waiting. So there would have been no way according to you for me to have been correct. And please explain HOW A US STATE IN THE UNION could be in ITS RIGHT MIND? I didn't know that states had minds. LEARN HOW TO COMPOSE A CORRECT ENGLISH before you criticize others. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:35:40 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 00:24:32 2016. Yes, I also love it when two idiots (you and R30A) are constantly agreeing with each other and patting each other on the back. I'm bookmarking this. This is going to be priceless when they find out what many people here already know. LOL. |
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Re: Thanks! (But no thanks!) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:37:22 2016, in response to Re: Thanks! (But no thanks!), posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jun 9 13:21:24 2016. No. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:41:22 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jun 9 13:19:13 2016. Learn to read English. Let me say it once again. You stated once before that you did not agree with the default 25 mph speed limit which is the major feature of Vision Zero. Now you state you support Vision Zero. What I said was you can't disagree with the major feature of Vision Zero and also support the program, because those two viewpoints are contradictory. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 18:42:44 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:35:40 2016. That makes no sense. How can we be idiots if we are right? And how could we find out what many people here already know if those many people already agree with us and we agree with them??You can reuse something I say against me if it makes no sense. |
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Re: Thanks! (But no thanks!) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 18:43:54 2016, in response to Re: Thanks! (But no thanks!), posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:37:22 2016. Yes, you actually are wrong as usual. I'm not kidding. I'm serious. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 18:47:22 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:41:22 2016. I never said I disagreed with the 25 mph default, AFAIK. Also, while I may "agree" with the program in one way or the other, where did I just state this?I know how to read Engkish. You just weren't making any sense. Like I already told you. Why do I have to repeat myself? I couldn't have said it any clearer. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:56:36 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 8 18:24:26 2016. There you go again, restating what I said in order to disagree and prove some erroneous point. I NEVER STATED THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING ACROSS THE US THAN ARE KILLEC CRISSING THE STREET.That is what YOU STATED and you would be correct. WHAT I STATED WAS THE FOLLOWING: I said that the dangers of getting killed or injured crossing the street are GREATLY EXAGGERATED. To prove that point I compared YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING KILLED CROSSING THE STREET with your chances of GETTING ACROSS SAFELY in a one year period IN NEW YORK CITY. Then I took that number and compared it with your chance of getting struck by lightning in the US within a one year period. The assumption I was making which may or may not be correct is that your chance of getting struck by lightning within NYC is no greater or less than it is anywhere else in the US. Comparing those two numbers I concluded that you were eight times more likely to get hit by lightning (assuming you were in a thunderstorm) than you were getting killed crossing the street. You conveniently omitted crossing the street safely and just did a comparison between lightning deaths and pedestrian injuries. THAT WAS NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING AT ALL. You can only win a discussion by changing what I stated. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 18:58:06 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:56:36 2016. You're talking to yourself again... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 19:02:30 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by merrick1 on Fri May 27 16:48:57 2016. See my response to R30A.I was not comparing lightning strikes with pedestrian fatalities per se. I never stated there were more lightning strikes than pedestrian fatalities. I was comparing you chances of getting killed crossing the street as compared with your chances of getting struck by lightning. To do that I considered the probable number of safe street crossings without incident. The statistics you cite say nothing about safe street crossings. http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=314518 |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 19:04:55 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:56:36 2016. The numbers you were comparing were not comparable amounts.2 gallons of milk is not smaller than 3 pints. My post was pointing out that your post was meaningless- I then actually gave you the appropriate numbers, but as one can see, they do not agree with your absurd claim. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 19:06:04 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 19:02:30 2016. But you didnt consider the number of safe times in which people did not get hit by lightning! So it was a meaningless comparison! |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 19:06:59 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 18:47:22 2016. I apologize. I was taking the words BrooklynBus was putting in your mouth as coming out of your mouth. mea culpa. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 19:07:45 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 18:25:45 2016. I'd believe it, but I do not recall the specific instance you are referring to. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 9 19:12:34 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 19:06:59 2016. No problem. Apology accepted. Never trust anything BrooklynBus says, unless he posts supportive links. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 19:20:43 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 8 13:08:42 2016. Yes, an extra three minutes over the length of the existing bus lanes, assuming the average speeds are not lower for the portion of the lanes DOT chose not to include. For all we know, DOT chose the portion of the lanes with the fastest speeds and least amount of speed decline. So the question is why didn't they present data for the entire bus route if they have nothing to hide?Second, when the bus lanes are fully complete, the lanes will be extended by 150 percent, so the three extra minutes become and extra twelve minutes assuming the speeds will not be slower where there are service roads. Since the three lanes are not contiguous with slip lanes every quarter mile or so, we can expect greater delays there. So a 12 minute delay would most likely be a 15 minute delay when the lanes are completed, assuming no signal improvements. Any way you look at it, it is still at least a 38 percent decline in travel speeds which is very significant. It is ridiculous that drivers on a major arterial in NYC should only be allowed to travel at an average speed of 10 to 12 mph for a distance of eight miles especially when bus speeds are not significantly improved and in some cases are traveling even slower. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 20:05:21 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 19:20:43 2016. "Yes, an extra three minutes over the length of the existing bus lanes, assuming the average speeds are not lower for the portion of the lanes DOT chose not to include. For all we know, DOT chose the portion of the lanes with the fastest speeds and least amount of speed decline. So the question is why didn't they present data for the entire bus route if they have nothing to hide?"Who knows? My guess? Substantially greater turnover resulting in less useful figures. Just a guess, but makes sense to me. "Second, when the bus lanes are fully complete, the lanes will be extended by 150 percent," For the sake of argument, I'll take this at face value. "so the three extra minutes become and extra twelve minutes assuming the speeds will not be slower where there are service roads." NO. Arithmetic fail. MAJOR FAIL. 150% of 3 is 4.5, SO THAT IS 7.5 MINUTES. NOT 12! (Also, there is no reason service roads would make the speed slower. If anything, it will make it faster as turning traffic would not be there.) "Since the three lanes are not contiguous with slip lanes every quarter mile or so, we can expect greater delays there." We can't assume this. "So a 12 minute delay would most likely be a 15 minute delay when the lanes are completed, assuming no signal improvements." A 7.5 minute delay which won't even be a 7.5 minute delay with the proper proposed reengineering, you mean. And why the hell would you assume no signal improvements? "Any way you look at it, it is still at least a 38 percent decline in travel speeds which is very significant." Any way you look at it it is not. "It is ridiculous that drivers on a major arterial in NYC should only be allowed to travel at an average speed of 10 to 12 mph for a distance of eight miles especially when bus speeds are not significantly improved and in some cases are traveling even slower." It won't be. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 9 22:45:42 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracyn, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 14:18:55 2016. Oh please. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Jun 10 09:35:46 2016, in response to Re: Cryin' Brian Whin' Weinberg, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jun 9 15:46:43 2016. The bottom line is I get tired of following the discussions.Then don't, for the love of all that is sane. Just. Don't. Click. You can do it! It's not like the posts here are anonymous; you can see in the index who made each post. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jun 14 18:45:18 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 9 20:05:21 2016. No the MAJOR FAIL is with your arithmetic not mine. The portion where statistics are given Metropolitan to Furmanville is not the complete bus lane. It is only half the lane. So the complete lane that was thus far installed would be a six minutes delay, not three. And since that amounts to only half the proposed lane, the delay from Rockaway Blvd to Queens Blvd would be at least 12 minutes, and probably 15 minutes because an extension of the bus lane from Eliot Avenue to Queens Blvd would add at least another two minutes. Your 7.5 minute delay is fictitious because your arithmetic is off.And that doesn't take into account the proposed lanes are not contiguous so the delay would even be greater. For argument sake, let's assume signal improvements wash out the extra delay and you are still left with a 14 minute delay, about twice what you say it is. You say DOT didn't show the delay for the entire bus lane because of increased turnover. They are not taking down license plate numbers or doing a survey. They are doing pure counts, so they gave no idea what the turnover is. They did not show the delay for the entire bus lane in order to mislead and make the delay appear less tan it really is. But the arithmetic for the portion shown IS A 38 PERCENT DECREASE IN TRAVEL SPEED. You can deny that all you want, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ARITHMETIC WORKS OUT TO BE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE DECLINE OF 19.5 MPH TO 12 MPH. You say cars won't have to travel an average speed of 10 to 12 mph for eight mikes, but all indications show that us exactly what will happen. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jun 14 20:02:29 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jun 14 18:45:18 2016. "No the MAJOR FAIL is with your arithmetic not mine. The portion where statistics are given Metropolitan to Furmanville is not the complete bus lane. It is only half the lane. So the complete lane that was thus far installed would be a six minutes delay, not three. And since that amounts to only half the proposed lane, the delay from Rockaway Blvd to Queens Blvd would be at least 12 minutes, and probably 15 minutes because an extension of the bus lane from Eliot Avenue to Queens Blvd would add at least another two minutes. Your 7.5 minute delay is fictitious because your arithmetic is off."My arithmetic is immaculate. It is entirely based on the numbers you provided. If you have a problem with any of the numbers, you are disagreeing with numbers you provided. And you are still ignoring the benefits which will come. p.s. lanes only exist in integer quantities. "And that doesn't take into account the proposed lanes are not contiguous so the delay would even be greater. For argument sake, let's assume signal improvements wash out the extra delay and you are still left with a 14 minute delay, about twice what you say it is." Except, unless the numbers you are basing it on are wrong, it would be nowhere near a 14 minute delay, "You say DOT didn't show the delay for the entire bus lane because of increased turnover." I certainly DID NOT say that. "They are not taking down license plate numbers or doing a survey." That is EXACTLY what they ARE doing. "They are doing pure counts, so they gave no idea what the turnover is." That is EXACTLY what they are NOT doing. "They did not show the delay for the entire bus lane in order to mislead and make the delay appear less tan it really is." That is your unsubstantiated accusation. Likely false considering the track record of your unsubstantiated accusations. "But the arithmetic for the portion shown IS A 38 PERCENT DECREASE IN TRAVEL SPEED. You can deny that all you want, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ARITHMETIC WORKS OUT TO BE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE DECLINE OF 19.5 MPH TO 12 MPH." ...At one part of the day, in one direction, before the beneficial parts of the project are completed. Sort of like how Ted Cruz won the republican primaries, as he was ahead after Iowa voted. (Hint: He didn't win.) "You say cars won't have to travel an average speed of 10 to 12 mph for eight mikes, but all indications show that us exactly what will happen." There is no indication whatsoever that that will happen at all. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jun 14 22:12:00 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jun 14 18:45:18 2016. To make your obvious attempt to mislead perfectly clear. My post you are responding to, as well as the post you made before it are both accepting the fact that the three minutes is over the WHOLE LENGTH OF THE CURRENT BUS LANE. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 15 14:27:32 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 9 19:20:43 2016. So the question is why didn't they present data for the entire bus route if they have nothing to hide?It's right on Slide 45: "2014 data only available for ½ of the corridor." |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Jun 15 15:16:44 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 15 14:27:32 2016. That requires actually reading. Why are you so demanding? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 16 17:10:59 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 15 14:27:32 2016. But they are the ones collecting the data so why can't they get it for the entire study area? That is the real question. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 16 19:41:24 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 16 17:10:59 2016. Because they don't have a time machine. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 17 08:47:39 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 16 19:41:24 2016. What does tgat supposed to mean? Responsible planning knows tgat before you make a change, you collect before counts and after you make the change, you collect after counts. If DOT did not have the foresight to collect "before" counts is just another example of their poor planning techniques. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jun 17 09:14:55 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 17 08:47:39 2016. You assume that they didn't.It could easily be that they did, and the results were meaningless. Either way, we can't go back now and get them. But the answer to your question about why they don't go back in time to get the information is that they do not have a time machine, nor any other means of going back in time. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jun 17 09:17:35 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jun 16 17:10:59 2016. But they are the ones collecting the data so why can't they get it for the entire study area? That is the real question.The real answer is also on Slide 45 - EZPass readers. Either they didn't exist or didn't return reliable data for the other portion of the corridor. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 17 13:11:31 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jun 17 09:17:35 2016. EZ Pass Readers are not the only way you could collect data. DOT was only willing to use low cost methods. Before EZ Pass readers, there were surveys and traffic counts. It shouldn't have come as a surprise to them after the fact they could not have used EZ Pass readers. Part of the planning process is the adequate collection of data. I stand by my previous remarks.You just can't say data collection is not easy so we will just skip that part of the process. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jun 17 13:19:31 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 17 13:11:31 2016. They DID use EZPass readers, so they obviously CAN.You assert they did not collect adequate data. That assertion is unfounded. Yet you use the data that they did collect... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 17 15:53:34 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Fri Jun 17 13:19:31 2016. No EZ Pass reader Data was only partial. Not for the entire bus lane.So if they did not collect data for the entire bus lane which they admit they did not, then the data collected is not adequate. PERIOD. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jun 17 16:10:52 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 17 15:53:34 2016. They did not say that they did not collect it. You are making the assumption. PERIOD. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 18 07:55:54 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Fri Jun 17 16:10:52 2016. Well if they collected it, why not present it if it was any good? If not, why not? |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jun 18 10:16:51 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 18 07:55:54 2016. I have already suggested why it could likely not be good data: High turnover. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jun 20 13:03:21 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sat Jun 18 10:16:51 2016. You have zero proof that is the case. If that is in fact the reason, it was DOT's obligation to explain that. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jun 20 13:12:26 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jun 20 13:03:21 2016. "You have zero proof that is the case."I don't need proof. "If that is in fact the reason, it was DOT's obligation to explain that." No, it is not. |
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