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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 13 02:20:31 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 12 07:22:46 2015.

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Your mother gave birth to you the same day she attempted suicide.
So that makes her a moronic bitch,who gave birth to a little asshole.
Asshole.

Oh..paperwork is being processed.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 13 07:12:20 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue May 12 22:54:47 2015.

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Me neither.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 13 07:12:37 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue May 12 22:55:40 2015.

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Yep.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 13 07:13:31 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 13 02:20:31 2015.

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Yes, like I just said, you're a moron! Thanks for proving my point!

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 10:16:06 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue May 12 22:55:40 2015.

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Also importantly, Sheepshead Bites targets an audience who, for the most part, are not able to judge for themselves whether somebody is talking through his hat.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 11:07:51 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 10:16:06 2015.

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*On transportation topics, I should have said.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 13 14:08:33 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 10:16:06 2015.

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Exactly.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 13 15:42:16 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 10:16:06 2015.

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Yes everyone in Sheepshead Bay s just a bunch of idiots. Why dot you just post that over there?

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 13 16:24:51 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 13 15:42:16 2015.

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LOL, that's not what he said. Just further proff that you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 16:25:45 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 13 15:42:16 2015.

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Important addendum to my original comment. Thank you for ignoring it so you could post what you wanted to.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 16:26:19 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 13 16:24:51 2015.

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Thank you.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 14 10:22:38 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 13 16:24:51 2015.

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This is what he said:


Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 13 10:16:06 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue May 12 22:55:40 2015.

Also importantly, Sheepshead Bites targets an audience who, for the most part, are not able to judge for themselves whether somebody is talking through his hat.



That means that Sheepsheadbites residents are not intelligent enough to know when someone is telling the truth or not (regarding transportation- as he later amended it).

So in other words, he is saying that readers of Sheepsheadbites are idiots for the most part, just as I stated. And I dare him to say that to that audience.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 14 10:56:22 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 14 10:22:38 2015.

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I've said it in meetings with community groups, I'll probably have to say it again at a meeting I'm preparing for next week. Mind you, I veil the criticism, but there are times where I am right by virtue of being the expert in the room and those assembled can either listen to what I have to say and take my consultations as is or they can do it their way and risk less than stellar results.

Complaining about transit agencies on the internet is low hanging fruit. People make a lot of noise, but that doesn't mean they are justified in their complaints.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Thu May 14 11:12:31 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 14 10:56:22 2015.

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Complaining about transit agencies on the internet is low hanging fruit. People make a lot of noise, but that doesn't mean they are justified in their complaints.

x10,000. Thank you.


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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu May 14 12:22:14 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 12 09:31:45 2015.

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You attract two type of readers in Sheepshead Bites - - Brooklyn and along the Woodhaven Blvd corrridor. I have yet to read an article about the "drawbacks" of the Bx12SBS+ and Bx41SBS+

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 14 12:50:28 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 14 10:22:38 2015.

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That means that Sheepsheadbites residents are not intelligent enough to know when someone is telling the truth or not (regarding transportation- as he later amended it).
No, that's NOT what that means. What it means is that "Sheepsheadbites READERS are not EDUCATED/INFORMED/TRAINED enough to know when someone is PROVIDING AN INFORMED/EXPERT OPINION/ANALYSIS or not (regarding transportation- as he later amended it)."

So in other words, he is saying that readers of Sheepsheadbites are idiots for the most part, just as I stated. And I dare him to say that to that audience.
No, you're wrong, as WE'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. Never never said they were idiots. And people all the time tell an audience that they aren't EDUCATED/INFORMED/TRAINED enough to make a valid counterargument.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Thu May 14 14:20:04 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 14 12:50:28 2015.

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Precisely. Thank you. BrooklynBus is grasping at straws, not for the first time.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 14 14:42:21 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by fdtutf on Thu May 14 14:20:04 2015.

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You're welcome. He sure is.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 14 15:41:29 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 14 12:50:28 2015.

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are not EDUCATED/INFORMED/TRAINED enough

So true, and it goes back decades.

Like New York, Houston had early Grumman Flxible 870s that had frame issues. In college (1983), one of my classmates in a civil engineering class (who was from Houston), decided for his solo presentation to discuss a transit equipment problem in his home city.

He then spoke about the Grumman (which he mispronounced GROO-man instead of GRUH-min) "Flexi-band" buses that were breaking down because the "Flexi-band" suspension was flexing too much.

I exhibited extreme control not to laugh, because it was clear to me as someone who had educated himself on the bus industry through direct contact with operating and manufacturing companies, including Flxible - that my classmate had done essentially no research on the issue beyond what he may have gleaned from news articles, as he had neither the product name nor the actual problem correct.

News reporters assigned to "the transportation beat" aren't any better. I often see terrible mistakes in articles about transportation... the NJ.com/Star-Ledger reporter who covers NJ Transit had such a glaring error about the CNG motorcoach order, I had to write to him in the comments section. He responded that he would research my notation. Basically, his figure for the contract price would have made the bus price nowhere near what it actually was.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 14 18:26:25 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 14 15:41:29 2015.

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True,

but I have not made such mistakes and have proper education and experience. I do not talk about what I do not know and I know the aspects of buses i write about better than my critics who have no experience whatsoever on what they chose to criticize. They won't debate specific statements. All they do is cast aspersions on my credibility.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by nostalgia on Thu May 14 22:21:18 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 14 18:26:25 2015.

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If you were as uninformed and unintelligent as Therapy Station says you are, it would be irresponsible for the newspaper to print your column.

I've got an idea. Why doesn't Therapy Station write to your newspaper with his ideas. I'm sure they will be printed as soon as he calls your editor an idiot.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 14 22:40:49 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 14 18:26:25 2015.

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but I have not made such mistakes
HOLY SH*T, YES YOU HAVE!

and have proper education
You may have attended and graduated but I don't think you learned too much.

and experience
LOL! You don't even have a shred of evidence that you were the head of all bus planning for the TA! Note that I'm not necessarily saying you weren't, but it is sure as heck very suspicious.

I do not talk about what I do not know
Yes you do! All the time! You're even doing it right now!

and I know the aspects of buses i write about better than my critics
LOL, no you don't! That's why there are so many people who shoot down so many of your ideas and almost all of your conclusions and very few, if any, people supporting your ideas and conclusions.

who have no experience whatsoever on what they chose to criticize.
Wait, how in the world do you know that? How are you so sure that all of your critics have "no experience whatsoever on what they chose to criticize?" That's a pretty strong statement so I hope you have the proff to back it up. I'll be here waiting.

They won't debate specific statements.
Yes we most certainly do. Are you blind???

All they do is cast aspersions on my credibility.
Huh? We ain't casting no dispersion spells. You do a fine job yourself of sinking your own ship, thank you very much.

And I might add, thank you very much for making this hilarious post. I enjoyed it. But I'm also sad for you.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 14 22:43:01 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by nostalgia on Thu May 14 22:21:18 2015.

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it would be irresponsible for the newspaper to print your column.
No, not necessarily. But it does make them look pretty stupid for allowing him to post his garbage on their site. And by the way, it's not a newspaper, you old fuddy duddy.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Fri May 15 10:08:00 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 14 22:40:49 2015.

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You may have attended and graduated but I don't think you learned too much.

Actually, I think he learned a great deal, but it was a long time ago and he hasn't realized how outdated his knowledge has become.

Wait, how in the world do you know that? How are you so sure that all of your critics have "no experience whatsoever on what they chose to criticize?" That's a pretty strong statement so I hope you have the proff to back it up. I'll be here waiting.

Seconded.

Huh? We ain't casting no dispersion spells. You do a fine job yourself of sinking your own ship, thank you very much.

And I might add, thank you very much for making this hilarious post. I enjoyed it. But I'm also sad for you.


Seconded.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 15 11:14:45 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 14 18:26:25 2015.

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You've shredded your own credibility by writing in the past that you haven't done basic fact checking, not to mention the fact that quite a few of your arguments have been backed by faulty logic.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by dkupf on Tue May 19 21:23:27 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 12 17:20:17 2015.

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"... increased service equates with increased ridership..."

Every mass transit entity knows this, except the MTA.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by Joe V on Wed May 20 12:03:56 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by dkupf on Tue May 19 21:23:27 2015.

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NJT is even worse

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by fdtutf on Thu May 21 09:05:22 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by dkupf on Tue May 19 21:23:27 2015.

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Every mass transit entity, including the MTA, knows this.

Unlike you, they also know that in most cases, the increased ridership will not cover the cost of the increased service.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 09:17:40 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by fdtutf on Thu May 21 09:05:22 2015.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by caine515 on Thu May 21 11:04:26 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 12 17:20:17 2015.

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What the MTa should do is take a look in areas of Brooklyn,Queens and Manhattan and add service where it's needed and where servicer overlaps either improve or change. For example, is there a reason why the west side of manhattan north-south has no overnight service past 6th Avenue? M15,M2,M101/102/103 and M7 are 24/7.
Also, 34th,50th st,57th,66th and 72nd have no overnight crosstown service. that means between 1am and 5am its hard to go crosstown without a cab between those destinations.
Improve service where needed. SBS isn't needed on woodhaven boulevard. this is what id do:
Restore Q53 to service as it used to. Or make it stop where customer service is heaviest(A/C connection,Metropolitan av) Jamaica and Atlantic Avenue aren't necessary.
Q52 full 24/7 limited to cover what Q53 doesn't stop at and make it 60-foot buses.
Just a opinion.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 12:22:53 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by caine515 on Thu May 21 11:04:26 2015.

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What the MTa should do is take a look in areas of Brooklyn,Queens and Manhattan and add service where it's needed and where servicer overlaps either improve or change.
That's exactly what they do.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:34:17 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by fdtutf on Fri May 15 10:08:00 2015.

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Other than the occasional two engineers who post, no one else has stated TWU have any qualifications in planning.

Second, knowledge is never outdated.

Third, I get loads of compliments and personal emails regarding my columns. There are less than a half a dozen here criticizing with general allegations such as challenging my credentials which I don't have to rpove to anyone. The fact that the bus route I created is number 27 citywide in patronage says more than I could ever say about my abilities. Compare that to the MTA created routes in the past few years which are all at the bottom of the list in patronage.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:34:38 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 14 22:40:49 2015.

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You are not worth a response.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:35:38 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 15 11:14:45 2015.

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Specifics please. Just as I was saying all I hear are general accusations which mean nothing.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:36:44 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu May 14 12:22:14 2015.

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When did I say there are drawbacks on those routes, that I have to write a column on it?

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:43:47 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by jasonnyc on Sun May 10 14:39:18 2015.

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Well your math is all wrong. I mistakenly stated 15 million daily riders when that is the annual number. The daily number of riders is 50,000. Funny how neither of you two experts caught that.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:46:13 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon May 11 19:30:24 2015.

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When you show me the total number of minutes saved exceeds the number of minutes lost, then I will say it is a success.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:48:07 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Wed May 6 22:02:14 2015.

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And where have you isolated those other variables?

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:49:39 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Tue May 12 16:00:02 2015.

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More general attacks without any specifics as I have been saying all along.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 17:50:20 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:34:17 2015.

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Other than the occasional two engineers who post, no one else has stated TWU have any qualifications in planning.

That doesn't mean nobody else has them.

Second, knowledge is never outdated.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, my sides! Wow. Of course knowledge becomes outdated, as new research and thinking brings new results. Do you think the Sun revolves around the Earth? That was common knowledge once.

Third, I get loads of compliments and personal emails regarding my columns.

How many of those compliments come from professional planners who, unlike you, know how streets and cities actually work?

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:51:13 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by fdtutf on Tue May 12 17:28:53 2015.

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Not a single response to any of my points. All to do is make general allegations with zero proof.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:52:09 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by fdtutf on Thu May 21 09:05:22 2015.

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Then service should never be increased according to that logic.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:53:03 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 12:22:53 2015.

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And how would you know that? PROFF!!

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:54:34 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue May 12 12:57:36 2015.

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You claimed he wasn't sincere without a shred of proof. I was there and saw his facial expressions. You were not there so you have no right to claim he was not sincere.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:55:07 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 11 11:30:00 2015.

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When?

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure

Posted by R30A on Tue May 26 19:17:45 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:48:07 2015.

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When you compare the ridership the year after SBS with the year before SBS. Very simple.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 26 21:11:41 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:34:17 2015.

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The fact that the bus route I created is number 27 citywide in patronage says more than I could ever say about my abilities.

The B1? Ridership decreased over all but one of the past five years; that must be definitive proof it's a failure.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:42:25 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:34:38 2015.

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Yes I am, because I made valid points. But because you have no legitimate response to counter my valid points, you make some bullshit excuse. Quite pathetic.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:43:11 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:35:38 2015.

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We've been posting specifics all along.

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Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success

Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 21:43:38 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 26 21:11:41 2015.

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Comedy gold. Thank you.

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