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Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 20 17:07:59 2014, in response to Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 20 16:04:25 2014. SMH @ "Extending the bus stop a half a mile". They're extending the route, not the stop.In any case, I'm not seeing where he would extend it to that it would get any additional ridership. Go any further into Coney Island, and you're in X28 territory, which isn't only quicker on the Brooklyn portion, but also has the X38 for Midtown riders. But SMH at the MTA talking about "affecting other customers". Well, right now all X29 customers are affected because the route doesn't exist! And if it's an extension into Coney Island, then their statement that it would "redirect part of the route" is a lie. If it's a reroute to spend more time on Neptune Avenue (basically, using West 8th Street instead of West 5th Street), then alright, you're lengthening the walk for customers along Surf, but shortening it for customers along Neptune. The ADA thing isn't really an issue, because right now, elderly/disabled customers can take the B68 (or B36 for those east of West 5th) over to Coney Island to catch the subway over there (which is what they had to do off-peak anyway). For the record, I do support the X29 coming back, because efficiency-wise, it was about average compared to other express routes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 20 22:36:16 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 20 17:07:59 2014. The "redirect part of the route" is the part of the X28 and X38 in Coney Island that formerly was part of the X29. So when they discontinued the X29, not everyone lost their service. Some now take the X28. My guess is that he is unaware that a small portion of the route was maintained as part of the X28. He just wants service at Neptune and West 5th that lost service.The last time ths was proposed, the MTA said it would consider extending the BM3 instead to Neptune and West 5th which would really be dumb because from Coney Island the path would be very circuitous and time consuming. It would also be costly to operate. Without annexing back the former part of the route in Coey Island, I don't think the X29 would be viable. You are right that compared to MTA Bus express bus routes that were maintained after the 2010 cutbacks, the X29 was more efficient than many of them. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Dec 21 01:54:28 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 20 22:36:16 2014. I'm not quite understanding. The X29 ended at Stillwell for a good 10 years before it was eliminated (the swap with the X28 occurred in the mid to late-90s). As far as the route at the time of its elimination is concerned, all passengers lost express bus service when it was eliminated (except for anybody near Stillwell who can walk to the X28/38, or anybody in Ditmas Park who can use the BM routes.Aside from that, he's proposing some type of "30 second extension", which the report refers to as a "half mile extension". Maybe he's talking about West 20th Street (so it meets up with the X28). That's the only thing I can think of. With the X29, it had a direct cost of $8.13 per passenger, compared to $8.64 for the typical express route. It was more efficient than a good chunk of the SI express routes, as well as the eastern Queens routes (mostly due to the shorter distance). I'd say it was definitely viable even in its current form. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 21 10:13:51 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 20 22:36:16 2014. FWIW, I used to see customer boardings at Kings Hwy and CI Ave regularly. Usually just two or three per bus but they were there. I don't know about other stops.Question: do people on the BMs take advantage of the connection to the B103 for Downtown Brooklyn (or is that connection even still available)? I was wondering if the X29 can somehow join the BM pattern, as like a BM6 or something, and give the option for Downtown Brooklyn, Lower Manhattan, or direct express to Midtown. The only other thing I can think of is to have some X28s that are not bound for Sea Gate head over to the Neptune / West 5th area. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 21 11:23:56 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Dec 21 01:54:28 2014. I didn't know the swap was made in the late 90s. If that is the case and the efficiency of the X29 was that high after the swap, it definitely needs to be brought back especially since it is only like four trips a day.The 30 second extension he was referring to was a reroute of the X28 to make one additional stop at Neptune and West 5th. Since that would involve any more trips it actually might be more expensive than bringing back the X29. I actually met him once and he seems like a real nice reasonable guy. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Dec 21 12:37:51 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 21 11:23:56 2014. Before it was eliminated, service was 9 trips in each direction (http://web.archive.org/web/20100331060030/http://mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/xpress/x025cur.pdf)The X28 & X38 have 10 AM trips and 14 PM trips (meaning 10-14 for both combined, 5-8 on each individual route). So it's basically the same levels of service. That seems like a reasonable suggestion. It would probably be even faster than the old X29 for those living near Neptune & West 5th (while not having too much of an impact on the few who use it from Coney Island). Now whether it would be worth it would depend on what percentage of old X29 ridership came from that area. If it was a significant percentage, I would say it would be worth it. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 14:26:13 2014, in response to Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 20 16:04:25 2014. There was demand for four buses in each direction. So, that petition needs 300 signatures to start a conversation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 21 14:41:02 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 14:26:13 2014. And it also has to be people who would actually use the route. Do you know how many they have? |
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Posted by hound on Sun Dec 21 17:19:10 2014, in response to Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 20 16:04:25 2014. Nice job of B68 bus pulling to the curb in video. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 18:29:37 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 21 14:41:02 2014. No clue, but dozens usually means less than 100. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Dec 22 19:35:13 2014, in response to Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 20 16:04:25 2014. Woah woah woah...an hour and 40 minutes to downtown? I'm not buying what this guys selling.I lived in Brighton for a couple of months and even on the worst day, it didn't come close to an hour 40 |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Dec 23 00:29:53 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Dec 22 19:35:13 2014. Yeah, me neither. I used to live in Brighton Beach when I was little, and the benchmark I used was around 30 minutes to Canal Street and 45 minutes to Herald Square. (Of course, it might've been a little longer. The schedule indicates around 40 minutes to Canal and 50 minutes to Herald Square). But no way is it an hour and 40 minutes. Even when factoring in having to take the B68 to the train, and transferring to the (R) to get downtown, maybe it's around an hour or so. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:23:27 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Dec 23 00:29:53 2014. Yeah. I commuted to Smith/9th, and even going from Brighton to W8th up to Smith/9th and walking to my job, it was only an hour door to door. Same if I took the B4(?) to McDonald and caught the F there |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 23 10:26:17 2014, in response to Re: Residents sign petition to restore X29 bus, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:23:27 2014. I agree with your point (that Midtown is not 100 minutes away) but I wouldn't use Smith/9th as a comparison. There is quite a difference in distance.For the original article, of course they're going to give this ridiculously long time that is not true and of course they're not going to describe the route so that you can look at the schedule and see that it makes no sense. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to attract attention. |
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