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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 23 16:31:46 2013, in response to Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Nov 23 12:30:29 2013. With Bus Rapid Transit (SBS in NYCT jargon), I think NYCT wants B44 riders to change their mindset overnight and "make believe" the line is subway like with no more stops a few blocks apart, rather make them walk to and from an SBS stop. They are going to lose so much time waiting for the local, it will be worth their while taking the SBS and walking the rest of the way.I hear the same complaint from a co-worker in reference to Hylan Blvd. So many S79's but so few S78's. So folks get disgusted and walk farther. IDK if Flatbush runs are interlined, IDK if the B44 SBS operators are interlined with the local for daily job purposes, but I'll repeat what I've said all along: NYCT is trying to get the most production out of the workforce daily, especially the ones that have to follow a schedule every day. By having an SBS B44 they could be saving $$$ on operators' daily pay since it requires a shorter amount of time to make a trip, which ultimately translates into the entire workday. Same with a LTD on any line. A shorter bus operator trip = labor savings. This translates into monetary savings for the entire workday. Yes they save $$$ on the B44 SBS vs. the LTD. Every minute they can save on salaries translates into $$$$$ for NYCT. If anybody thinks SBS is costing NYCT more money, well I have a bridge to sell you! I am not saying I agree with it, but I have a pretty good idea what the mindset is since I've been working for them long before many of you were even born. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 23 17:51:21 2013, in response to Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Nov 23 12:30:29 2013. "Still, I waited for a crowded local bus for 20 minutes the the other day. "Yeah, I'm sure this never happened before. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 23 18:06:23 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 23 17:51:21 2013. When it comes to waiting time for trains and buses, the public has a problem with the perceived waiting time vs. the actual waiting time.The public rides around with stopwatches? |
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Posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Sat Nov 23 20:51:52 2013, in response to Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Nov 23 12:30:29 2013. If they make the Queens SBS route Woodhaven Bl(ala 34th Street)with the Q52/Q53 it would work. |
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Re:verdict in.. Not sold on B44 Select Bus |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 23 23:52:18 2013, in response to Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Nov 23 12:30:29 2013. decided to try the new SBS today,to visit a sick friend at Kings County today.unbelievable...the trip was pretty much uneventful,except for the reroute along tompkins avenue...and the expected long wait. the return trip was a horror show...and showed why i should have driven..even though parking is sickening. waited almost a half hour for the 44 local bus in the freezing cold,along with a dozen other riders...who were even less pleased than i. all the complaint we been hearing? true..and well founded. found out the SBS does not give out transfers to local buses,too. its a wrap for me. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 23 23:58:05 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 23 18:06:23 2013. in THIS instance..i witnessed the long waits for myself..using my smartphone..and the posted schedule at the shelter...it was cold as crap out there this evening...waiting a half hour for a bus that SHOULD be every 9 minutes...is sick enough.. never again. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 00:23:23 2013, in response to Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Nov 23 12:30:29 2013. I have taken a couple B44 SBS trips now.If you are waiting for B44 local well, there is no hope when you see lots of B44 SBS passed by, one by one. They do look angry when they are waiting on B44 local bus forever. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun Nov 24 07:44:49 2013, in response to Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Nov 23 12:30:29 2013. What a mess. How the TA can let this go on and not monitor these services closely during the roll-out is mind-boggling. I think stops will be added and the B44 SBS will eventually be the old limited service with wrapped buses. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 24 08:03:12 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Nov 24 07:44:49 2013. It has only been going on for one week for goodness sakes! Of course they're monitoring it. They are not going to make any knee jerk reaction/changes after only one week till they see how the ridership levels off. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun Nov 24 09:29:31 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 24 08:03:12 2013. By monitoring, I was referring to reports of bus bunching and extensive delays affecting the local buses. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Nov 24 10:36:11 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 24 08:03:12 2013. I am not sold on this service. They are killing it the same way they "promoted" the Bx41 SBS+. In the Bx41, the last buses leave Gun Hill at 9 PM, and approx. 9:35-45 PM from the Hub. And they run 12 minute headways on weekends, pathetic.The B44 was designed to fail with the rerouting of northbound buses on Rogers Ave, forcing customers at Kings County/SUNY Downstate hospitals to walk up to half mile. There is not enough B44 local service and the B44 SBS does not travel the full Williamsburg/Sheepshead Bay route on many runs. I am going to take time out to do a full report on the Bx41 SBS one day by Christmas. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 24 11:22:45 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 24 08:03:12 2013. Yes they will wait until most get disgusted and start walking to Rogers. Then they will say no adjustments are necessary. They will wait until more artics are delivered and put on the local and then declare the problem solved. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 24 11:23:25 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Nov 24 07:44:49 2013. Never will happen. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 24 11:23:31 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Nov 24 07:44:49 2013. Never will happen. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 11:31:21 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 24 11:23:31 2013. There will be some pressure at MTA board meeting for sure. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 24 15:06:01 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Nov 24 07:44:49 2013. I can see L and R added back...but no others. The B44 doesn't really carry through Williamsburg. |
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Posted by Joe in Pelham on Sun Nov 24 17:07:33 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 24 15:06:01 2013. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WOULD HAVE PERFERRED A NICE LIGHT RAIL LINE DOWN ALONG THE ROUTE NOW TAKEN BY THE B44 BUS. IF THE M.T.A IS EVER GOING TO GET LIGHT RAIL STARTED IN NEW YORK CITY,IT HAS TO START WITH SOME BUS ROUTE IN ANY OF THE FIVE BOROUGHS. PLUS, I HAVE SEEN A PICTURE TAKEN BY THE M.T.A OF SOME OLD STREET CAR TRACKS BEING REMOVED AND PILED TO THE SIDE AND NEW REPAVING BEING DONE SO THAT THIS NEW B44 CAN OPERATE MORE SMOOTHLY. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 24 17:38:58 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Joe in Pelham on Sun Nov 24 17:07:33 2013. A light rail line would cost a lot of money to build plus it would need a dedicated right-of- way.Nice idea tho. Why all caps? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 24 21:48:32 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 00:23:23 2013. well..decided to try it again.very different experience today. virtually no long waits..buses came like clockwork. perhaps this might be due to it being Sunday..or whatever.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 24 22:00:09 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 24 15:06:01 2013. northbound past Fulton st..most buses I've been on have been light..going south..for some reason..there have been plenty of buses full. at least ONE ALL STOP is needed..at Myrtle ave. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Nov 24 23:29:52 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Joe in Pelham on Sun Nov 24 17:07:33 2013. What's the advantage? You need a dedicated fleet for it and if there's an obstruction in the way, you can't drive around it or 'leap frog' the leader. Finally, would this mean Nostrand would be exclusive for the trolley or would cars be allowed on it as well? All that and you may as well just have a true BRT with its own dedicated lanes instead of taking away the parking lanes for the rush hours. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Nov 24 23:34:01 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Nov 24 10:36:11 2013. That or they should've left more artics for the local as they need it more than the sbs does. I hope they at least keep more RTSs on the b44 local as the lf buses are terrible. Good luck trying to make your way back to the rear of the bus with everyone crowding around the front. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 23:47:39 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Joe in Pelham on Sun Nov 24 17:07:33 2013. THEN WE COULD UPGRADED TO DOUBLE DECKER BUSES... DOUBLE THE FUN!!!! |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 23:49:13 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by grand concourse on Sun Nov 24 23:34:01 2013. It doesnt matter what type of buses... the B44 locals does not run very often enough. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Nov 24 23:53:49 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 23:49:13 2013. Of course, but either way the lf buses are terrible. Just a nightmare pushing thru a crowd of people on the b41 to get to the back. I can't imagine what it must be like on the b44 local now. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 23:56:26 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by grand concourse on Sun Nov 24 23:53:49 2013. Oh please, the same way as the high floors. They don't move to the back even as B/Os tell them or people start to push back. Deal with it. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Mon Nov 25 00:16:51 2013, in response to Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Nov 23 12:30:29 2013. This article is pure bullshit as the guy has no clue what he's talking about.In reality, the SBS is a success on the B44, with a few minor glitches - most noticeable: the local service needs to be increased to take up folks on those LTD stops that were eliminated (mostly from Gates Avenue and give or take at Avenue L). 10-12 minute headways will not cut it until Rogers Avenue picks up, which it will take 6-12 months to happen, in full. Some SBS buses may run empty because of the locals running in 6-7 packs, so when the SBS shows up, those folks were already loaded on the bunched local pack, when they should have been on the SBS. I can attest that when BusTime is fully activated in January, the 44 bunching (along with other Brooklyn bus routes) will end, as control room dispatchers can evenly spread service along the line. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 25 10:06:24 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Mon Nov 25 00:16:51 2013. Please ignore the above post. I meant to hit preview instead of post."Some SBS buses may run empty because of the locals running in 6-7 packs, so when the SBS shows up, those folks were already loaded on the bunched local pack, when they should have been on the SBS." I really don't understand this statement. If the SBS is running on time and that is the bus the riders want, why in the world should the fact that 6 to 7 locals running at once have any affect on how crowded the SBS is? That just makes no sense. Also, the SBS is not as empty as they appear to be. Since the buses are longer, an appearingly empty SBS would be a crowded local with the same number of passengers. Common sense just says if you run short buses on the local and long buses on the SBS, you will need more locals, but the MTA decided to run more SBS's than locals to save money. Add that to the fact that all those limited stops were removed, many people are not yet aware of the shift to Rogers Avenue for half the buses, the two block extra walk for Kings County Hospital users and no wonder the locals will be overcrowded and therefore delayed which only encourages more bus bunching. This should have been no surprise to the MTA. I predicted all of this last March. Also, I will hold you to your last comment about bus bunching. I sure hope you are correct, but I highly doubt it. There is still bus bunching in Manhattan and the Bronx where they have had it for awhile. Hopefully, it will lessen bus bunching somewhat. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Nov 25 14:53:51 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 25 10:06:24 2013. but the MTA decided to run more SBS's than locals to save money.This is the core problem. MTA has decided to slice service by a gigantic percentage (half? more?) to a ridiculous number of locations (all non-SBS stops south of Ave U and north of Flushing) as well as ex-limited stops that did not make it to SBS status. They save money and get publicity for "improving" service. SBS is doomed to fail without solid, dependable local service, especially this particular line which continues to be unsuitable for SBS service at all. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 16:27:24 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 23:56:26 2013. being rude does not convey your intent to make a point..nor does being dismissive.what it does show..is an immaturity to get your ideas across in general.. that being said..Phil is right. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 25 16:46:26 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 16:27:24 2013. Look at Mr. bigshot here. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 18:51:50 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 25 16:46:26 2013. nice comeback,brah..i applaud you for your effort. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 18:54:36 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Nov 25 14:53:51 2013. the 46 was the better candidate for such a service... |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 25 19:09:39 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 18:51:50 2013.  Thats effort |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 20:40:06 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 25 19:09:39 2013. ahhh...smart for being the poster boy for wayward whorish children.. where did you learn that? From your last john? Im impressed! you managed to learn something.! |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 25 21:09:44 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 20:40:06 2013. I learn it from...
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 21:58:28 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 25 21:09:44 2013. your momma?that cranky old bitch?tell her to eat crow..and get my fucking money before something bad happens to you. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 26 00:51:16 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 16:27:24 2013. Thanks. And meh no point wasting time arguing about this. I ride the b41 daily, lf buses suck during the rush hours. The only lf buses that are good are the artics. Maybe fb should get more artics for the local only lines when it comes time to replace the rtss. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 26 01:16:08 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 25 21:58:28 2013. I hope something is bad happening right now to your ugly face.
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 01:48:47 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 26 00:51:16 2013. yeah..there are better ways to deal with that,than be funky about it. he should have understood,instead of being a bitch about it.you know there are more buses coming due to the delayed bus purchase.we just have to wait. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 01:50:01 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 26 01:16:08 2013. cut and paste boy..go eat a dick and die already. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 01:52:32 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 24 23:49:13 2013. how would you know if you don't ride in the greatest boro in the world?stick to cut and paste. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 26 02:17:40 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 01:48:47 2013. I hope it's the xd60s. I like the interior seating setup than on the lfsa. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 26 02:22:21 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 01:50:01 2013. You could die faster when you put your your ugly face on to the oven. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 26 02:23:41 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 01:52:32 2013. My god, you don't even read the thread. Stupid Edwards! |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Nov 26 06:20:38 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 01:50:01 2013. +1 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 26 11:05:26 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Nov 26 02:17:40 2013. yeah..haven't rode them yet..but from what im hearing about them..they are pretty cool. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 26 19:37:52 2013, in response to Re: Op-Ed: Not sold on B44 Select Bus, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 25 10:06:24 2013. It makes plenty sense.Why? Because as I've operated my SBS bus down Nostrand Avenue, I'll pass a train-like local pack of buses, loaded with passengers, as a I fly by with a fully seated artic (and you can see the facial expression of those on the local bus as they finally see these +Selects flying by). This is because of these local buses have left 10-15 minutes before me (at Flushing Avenue), and by the time I get to Fulton to handle the big load, there's none there; the local buses have taken up the load since they didn't see a 'LIMITED' in sight (basically no one wants to wait, or afraid to learn the new system). Those blue lights would definitely help on Nostrand or Rogers Avenues, to distict express from local. |
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