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SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jun 16 22:57:15 2012

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Thanks to Van2006ko at Philadelphia Transit Vehichles, here are sneak peeks of th new Novabuses coming late this year:

Here's the 40 footer:
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And the Articulated:
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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jun 17 00:36:14 2012, in response to SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jun 16 22:57:15 2012.

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weird, just two door artic?

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by futurekbarticop on Sun Jun 17 00:49:52 2012, in response to SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jun 16 22:57:15 2012.

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Garbage, I hope the don't get BTE award. Right now the Orion 3G is by the far the best since they altered the transmission of the New Flyers but Orion went out of business. So it's Nova or New Flyer, the Nova is shit on wheels.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Jun 17 08:48:25 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jun 17 00:36:14 2012.

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Why mess with tradition? SEPTA artics have been two doors since the Volvos. SEPTA gains 4 seats with a two-door artic.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 09:32:55 2012, in response to SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jun 16 22:57:15 2012.

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Time for a new paint scheme.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by JAzumah on Sun Jun 17 10:06:11 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 09:32:55 2012.

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Saves money. Run the buses on-time and in sufficient quantity and you don't need a sexy paint scheme.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 10:46:45 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by JAzumah on Sun Jun 17 10:06:11 2012.

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Saves money.

Not necessarily. Those workers applying the decals above the windows have to climb up something to get up there. A decal scheme that utilizes the lower panels under the windows could very well likely be applied faster.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by D40LF on Sun Jun 17 11:46:29 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by futurekbarticop on Sun Jun 17 00:49:52 2012.

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At least they didn't go with Gillig...

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 17 11:58:46 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by D40LF on Sun Jun 17 11:46:29 2012.

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I've been quite impressed with the quality of some of the newer Gilligs I've ridden on.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 12:02:23 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 17 11:58:46 2012.

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The big question is "can they withstand the test of time"?

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jun 17 12:07:00 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 10:46:45 2012.

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With SEPTA---I wonder if perhaps time to just go for the logo and SEPTA stickers only---and no colors.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Jun 17 12:12:48 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 12:02:23 2012.

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The big question is "can they withstand the test of time"?

Based on the "NEW AND IMPROVED" Nova Articulateds that I have had the misfortune to operate - the answer will be a resounding NO!!!


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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Jun 17 17:35:40 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 10:46:45 2012.

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It really doesn't matter as the top striping will mostly be covered up with ads anyway.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jun 17 20:29:34 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Jun 17 17:35:40 2012.

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Ditto with having the striping beneath the windows, which was probably a primary reason for the high stripe scheme in the first place.

I wonder if they will try mounting the new banner ads above the stripe, similar to what they do with the restyled buses.



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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jun 17 20:31:08 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jun 17 12:07:00 2012.

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Why would you wonder that? That would be terrible and backwards.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jun 17 20:32:00 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jun 17 20:31:08 2012.

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Why would you wonder that? That would be terrible and backwards.

In my opinion, especially from a marketing standpoint.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by lantabusfan on Mon Jun 18 06:45:01 2012, in response to SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jun 16 22:57:15 2012.

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I hope SEPTA gets rid of the black trim around the windows.Just dosemt look right with it

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by Mack C-49 on Mon Jun 18 09:05:48 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jun 17 00:36:14 2012.

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The 2-door artic is a mistake from the standpoint of passenger movement and dwell time and stops. Fortunately NYC has realized this and gone to a 3-door plan with its newer Nova artics. Glad to see Septa breaking the Flyer monopoly in Philadelphia. The Nova is easily the smartest-looking American transit bus since the RTS and Flxible Metro. They get my vote because they are wonderfully quiet in operation, and they have rear windows, which transit buses have been sorely missing since the age of the new looks.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Jun 18 09:48:01 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by Mack C-49 on Mon Jun 18 09:05:48 2012.

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The Nova Artics are a huge waste of money. We have more staying in house due to defects then we have on the road, and more in house than the New Flyers they replaced! They are not true artics as the 'turntable' isn't round as in the New Flyer, the turntable is straight on the front of the bus and the rear part rotates. This is the equivalent of a ball and hitch trailer set up vs. a true articulated coach. I tell anyone that asks that the 'bus' handles the same as a U-Haul truck and trailer! Backing up is the same as a trailer, and NOT an 18 wheeler as the pivot point is entirely different.
The depot I'm at now houses a small army of NovaBus, Prevost, Cummins and Thermo King tech reps and mechanics. And we have a few that come in to do 'mods' on buses that have just left the factory on the overnight!
Operationally, the trannys suck and jerk the bus on low power applications, the mirrors are set up wrong (driver side WAY too low!)brakes suck, oil leaks, SLOW front doors...... I could go on.


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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Mon Jun 18 17:42:33 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by Mack C-49 on Mon Jun 18 09:05:48 2012.

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You will NEVER see a rear window on a SEPTA bus because that space will be used for ads, of course if they could get rid of the rear window on the Trackless trolleys [E40LFR], they would.

As far as three doors, it's hard enough to keep the classless ingrates from sneaking through the back door on a 2-door bus, guess what could happen on a 3-door bus, we'd never have any fare revenue!

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Jun 19 13:34:54 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by lantabusfan on Mon Jun 18 06:45:01 2012.

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LOL I feel the complete opposite - the scheme hasn't looked right since they got rid of the black trim on the NABIs.

I heard they were supposed to have frameless windows, though...so I'm not sure what they will have until the prototype arrives.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jun 19 13:40:19 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Jun 19 13:34:54 2012.

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Agreed! Although the New Flyers look really good WITHOUT the black trim, the NABIs look horrible without it. Especially with the fin-looking antenna and the SEPTA logo on the last window on each side.


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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 19 20:53:10 2012, in response to SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jun 16 22:57:15 2012.

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phew! I'm glad I missed the horrible NF age!

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 19 20:53:44 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Jun 17 09:32:55 2012.

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That is the new paint scheme, after they added all the billboards on the buses!

There was a time when they refused any and all outside ads.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 20 10:09:33 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 19 20:53:44 2012.

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That was an interesting time...boy how things have changed now!

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 20 10:52:06 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 19 20:53:44 2012.

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prior to about 1960 nycta buses had no exterior ads.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 20 11:33:53 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 20 10:52:06 2012.

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I think it was about the 1990's when SEPTA got theirs. The stripe used to be in the center. I always suspected that the stripe was moved at the top with the white sides for the ads.

But there are probably people who are really in the know for that here outside of my theories and fuzzy memory.

I think it was a big thing when they started allowing ads too. I bet it was during the Rendell regime.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Jun 20 13:48:59 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 20 11:33:53 2012.

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I think you are quite correct. I remember that SEPTA even had front wraps for a short amount of time, primarily on the Neoplans, but that didn't work out so well I guess.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Wed Jun 20 17:04:26 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 20 11:33:53 2012.

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The change in the Ad policy started in the waning years of the Goode Administration [1991], then accelerated during Rendell years.

The stripe moved to the top after the Ikarus[NABI] buses arrived in 1996, and was subsequently applied to the Neoplans, AMG trolleys and the K-cars [city and suburban trolleys.].

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jun 20 20:48:39 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Mon Jun 18 17:42:33 2012.

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They could do what Albany does on its novas and have a wrap over the rear window... you can still see out and they still get their ad space.

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Re: SEPTA Novabuses

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jun 21 10:46:20 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA Novabuses, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 20 11:33:53 2012.

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fuck you and your tiny phoney bullshit careless ass


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