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Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 01:37:23 2012 New York City Transit MTA Bus |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 01:41:54 2012, in response to 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 01:37:23 2012. Bus ridership stats link |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 11 10:01:59 2012, in response to 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 01:37:23 2012. Bus ridership seems to be down almost across the board. Also interesting to see that the implementation of Select Bus Service has not had the same type of positive impact on ridership that has been seen in some other cities where BRT service was introduced. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 11 11:12:46 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 11 10:01:59 2012. Also interesting to see that the implementation of Select Bus Service has not had the same type of positive impact on ridership that has been seen in some other cities where BRT service was introduced.Probably because other cities' BRT systems attract a large number of choice riders, but in New York the choice riders are already using the system. |
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Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 13:21:21 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 11 11:12:46 2012. And NYC BRT is still SLOW. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 11 13:26:14 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 11 11:12:46 2012. Boston's Silver Line along Washington Street saw a significant increase in ridership over its predecessor route 49 bus – some of those might have been new patrons from adjacent South End neighborhoods, but I suspect that a portion of the increase was existing transit riders on the bus routes through Dudley Square who now take the Silver Line instead of the bus/Orange Line journey via Ruggles. I though the M15 in particular might have seen an increase from people who no longer walk over to the Lexington Ave. subway. |
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Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Apr 11 19:44:17 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 11 10:01:59 2012. They say this year, they're not counting "non-revenue passengers" in the stats the release to the public (However, I assume they'll be counting them in the internal stats). They say they've adjusted it for the previous years, but I don't think they did, which explains the large drop in ridership on some routes. |
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Posted by mike nash on Wed Apr 11 20:20:32 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Apr 11 19:44:17 2012. Does that meam that school pass dips don't conpute it the farebox count? that wood speak for the large drop weekday. what is the reason for weekends? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Apr 11 23:56:25 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by mike nash on Wed Apr 11 20:20:32 2012. No. I thought it was some error with not counting Student MetroCards, but they say they counted riders with passes, so I guess that wasn't it.They say that this year, they didn't count "non-revenue passengers" (farebeaters and little kids) because the students dip in a pass, so I assume the error wasn't due to not counting Student MetroCards, but to not counting farebeaters. |
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Posted by jasonbellamy on Thu Apr 12 15:38:43 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 11 13:26:14 2012. Do you have ridership stats for the 49 and Silver Line?The Silver Line seems like a big waste of money. They spent a lot on fancy shelters that have no sides, and put up one inconspicuous sign per block making the right lane a bus lane on a street that doesn't have much traffic. And there's no prepaid fare collection. So it isn't much faster than what it replaced. The counterflow lane across the Mass Pike saves some time. But that was a very small part of the cost. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu Apr 12 19:31:46 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 13:21:21 2012. And how it is presentated it is still overated.... It is a limited bus with a bus lane in my opinion. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 21:25:05 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by B49 Limited on Thu Apr 12 19:31:46 2012. That's basically what it is. There is nothing rapid about SBS. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 22:03:48 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Apr 11 23:56:25 2012. I guess that's fair. Previously, did they just count farebeaters towards ridership numbers for statistical purposes? Or did they include them in the count to determine service levels as well? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Apr 13 01:36:21 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 22:03:48 2012. I'm pretty sure they counted them to determine service levels. The thing is that BrooklynBus mentioned that they don't count people coming in through the back door (whether they're farebeaters or they couldn't fit in through the front) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Apr 13 14:03:16 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by jasonbellamy on Thu Apr 12 15:38:43 2012. The ridership stats are available on the MBTA’s website with a little digging. Patronage did jump significantly.The lack of dedicated bus lanes is unfortunate and the overall execution may be flawed (enforcement of the bus-only lanes is woeful and I agree that those shelters are terribly designed) but the concept has merit – a tightly-operated Silver Line service could and should be an asset to the community even in its present iteration. Unfortunately, the MBTA has a history of poorly-operated bus service and the SL4 and SL5 are no exception. Advocates need to get over the fact that it isn’t a streetcar - the FTA was never going to pay for a Green Line extension after shelling out three-quarters of a billion dollars for the Southwest Corridor - and start demanding better operation of the service they do have by the T. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Apr 13 21:12:39 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 21:25:05 2012. Do those numbers represent PAID fares, or just ridership? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Apr 13 21:58:36 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Apr 13 01:36:21 2012. I guess they just want ballpark figures. Do you think they should include farebeaters in determining service levels? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 00:02:07 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Apr 13 21:12:39 2012. They don't represent non-revenue passengers, but it says they represent passes (Student MetroCards, presumably transit workers riding, etc) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 00:06:17 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Apr 13 21:58:36 2012. They're taking up space, aren't they? If a person gets flagged, it doesn't matter whether 100% of the people paid, or 50% of the people paid, or 0% of the people paid.Personally, I don't think it's a huge deal. I have a problem with people who walk by texting on a cell phone or something, but other than that, if somebody's financial situation is such that they need a free ride, that's none of my business. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 14 00:08:57 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 00:06:17 2012. "if somebody's financial situation is such that they need a free ride, that's none of my business. "Yeah, it should be the cops to remove that person or give the person a fine. There shouldn't be an excuse to avoid paying. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 01:55:58 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 14 00:08:57 2012. Well, that's not what I was thinking, but whatever... |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 14 08:35:45 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 14 00:08:57 2012. However the fare enforcement target will largely remain on the Subways because the politicians feel more of a need to protect the Subway system from other dangers such as terrorism than the buses. The reason that people do not pay the fare is because they can get away with it especially when you have B/O's who work routes like the B35, B46, or the Bx41 who know NOT to start trouble with any of the riders and when you have Express Bus routes with cult ridership like the X20 where ridership figures were depressed due to non payment of fare. Not to go away from the topic but local buses will always be lower on the priority list than the Subways and Express Buses in the politicians point of view. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 13:24:28 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 14 08:35:45 2012. You're kidding me about the X20. It ran once an hour and was surrounded by a ton of frequent routes. Its ridership figures weren't "depressed". Its ridership was really that low. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 14 13:29:32 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 13:24:28 2012. Yes the B/O's did let some riders ride for free that were friendly with him. I remember it being posted on SILive quite a while back. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 15:09:51 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 14 13:29:32 2012. They have the F5 button on the express buses too.In any case, whether the riders were counted or not, they would've still cut the route for the simple reason that it duplicates a bunch of other routes. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 14 15:23:01 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 15:09:51 2012. I know that all the fareboxes are the same. I do not disagree on why the X20 was cut, I just pointed out that Express routes with cult ridership have this type of stuff going on. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 14 15:53:51 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 15:09:51 2012. Oh yeah? Time to get a free express bus ride then, LOL (j/k) |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sat Apr 14 20:33:27 2012, in response to 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 01:37:23 2012. I'm suprised the Q58 went from #13 to #16 with the inclusion of a Limited!The Q12 is only #82? I could've sworn more people used it in Flushing. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 21:09:41 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 14 15:53:51 2012. LOL. I could think of one user (on NYCTF) who won't be too happy about that. ;) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 14 21:12:48 2012, in response to Re: 2011 MTA Bus & NYC Transit Bus ridership data, now available, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sat Apr 14 20:33:27 2012. You have to consider that1) The route is less than 6 miles long, so a longer route would naturally get more riders. 2) Even if buses get crowded in Flushing, there might be less turnover than other routes, which lowers ridership. |
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