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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 15 21:07:09 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. can we see what the new model looks like? |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by R40slantontheB on Fri Jul 15 22:18:42 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. I do not think the Route 9 commuters will be happy riding a transit bus with soft seats...However, the 139 gets alot of local riders, and a transit style (with a rear door) would speed boarding and alighting. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 15 23:52:08 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. Okay, did NJT even talk to Jay Walder at all? I think that this may be a buyer beware. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sat Jul 16 06:51:24 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. They will regret this purchase big time. Low floor buses on long runs with high mileage. MCI was the way to go. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sat Jul 16 06:58:42 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. Considering the NABI 45C and the VanHool C3045, I find it unlikely they can get 55 seats even in a low-floor model. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by NJT Oradell on Sat Jul 16 13:23:56 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sat Jul 16 06:58:42 2011. HA HA This will be a disaster! The people on the 139 won't even TRY riding these customized transit buses. NJT never fails to prove just how clueless they are. Maybe get a couple of pilot buses before spending all that money for buses that will be riding up and down the Turnpike virtually empty? The turns that involve the 128 or 321 lines will carry people, but the "Ninies" won't ride these buses. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Jul 16 13:29:02 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. Hold on, stop the bus! How backwards is NJT...to go off replacing MOTORCOACHES with low floor "suburban" buses, yet when it comes to replacing transit buses, where low floor buses would provide the maximum benefit, they go "oh no, no way".And this is ignoring the DesignLine's history or NJT's long time relationship with MCI...sigh... |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by 167t on Sat Jul 16 13:32:48 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by NJT Oradell on Sat Jul 16 13:23:56 2011. As I said earlier, I predict the contract will be cancelled.Designline has not yet built a 'coach' for anyone, yet alone a CNG model, MTA and others have cancelled orders and Designline can't even maintain their own website! Designline will end up as Millenium did. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jul 16 15:21:02 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by 167t on Sat Jul 16 13:32:48 2011. Exactly. So why the heck did NJT order buses from them. If you're going to get a 45' Low Floor CNG transit bus, they might as well have ordered from NABI. NABI at least has a proven product. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by ORIONVIIDIESELBUS on Sat Jul 16 15:28:50 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by TonyG on Sat Jul 16 15:21:02 2011. I agree, a NABI 45C Low Floor Suburban bus would have been better. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jul 16 15:34:29 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by ORIONVIIDIESELBUS on Sat Jul 16 15:28:50 2011. I've been on the NABI 45C Low Floor suburban buses in Phoenix (LNG powered rather than CNG). They aren't horrible buses. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 16 16:39:15 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. That is very weird. I wonder what the snobby 139 riders will think about this. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Jul 16 19:43:00 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by TonyG on Sat Jul 16 15:34:29 2011. I agree! |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by SJP7121 on Sat Jul 16 20:31:07 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 16 16:39:15 2011. I got two word for ya: Academy, anyone? |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 16 21:21:52 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by 167t on Sat Jul 16 13:32:48 2011. I think there is some logic to your position. MCI would probably agree to build the buses at their bid price if DesignLine can't deliver. In exchange, NJT amends the contract and adds additional options for either CNG or diesel at NJT's choosing. This could lead to MCI getting the entire order without a fight if the initial buses they deliver are good. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jul 18 01:26:55 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. It's weird to read 'turn of the century' these days and not see something nearly 100 years old. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 18 07:01:07 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 15 21:07:09 2011. No. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon Jul 18 08:08:19 2011, in response to Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, "cruiser bus" order, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 15 19:32:59 2011. Ya My depot getting new CNG's. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Mon Jul 18 16:49:21 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by TonyG on Sat Jul 16 15:34:29 2011. But are they appropriate for a service that operates along the Parkway and Turnpike into New York City? I doubt it.There's no reason why NJT couldn't have gone with MCI other than someone at One Penn Plaza had a major brain cramp. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Mon Jul 18 17:38:40 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by ctrabs74 on Mon Jul 18 16:49:21 2011. There's no reason why NJT couldn't have gone with MCI other than someone at One Penn Plaza had a major brain cramp.I intentionally have not posted here since last year, but I saw this and couldn't let it pass. (CTR, I'm surprised because you should know this.) There is one very BIG reason why NJT went with DesignLine for this order. It's called the federal bid process. Remember the Maureen Milan scandal last decade? MCI and Nova won huge contracts instead of New Flyer and Orion who were the low bidders. Know why GO28 is run with NABI 416 suburbans instead of NABI CompoBuses? In all those cases, it was illegal favoritism. MCI and Nova were awarded contracts after offering gifts/kickbacks to Milan. The CompoBus order had to be scrapped because the RFP used the word "lightweight" - no other manufacturer made a lightweight conmposite-body 45-foot bus. If you look at the NJT Procurement Calendar, you'll see the following: 06/14/11 02:00 Bid Opening: Purchase of 45 Foot Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) Transit Buses No Fee***To obtain a copy please fax your request to 973-491-7854 or email: biddesk@njtransit.com IFB 11-047 Note it says "45 Foot Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) Transit Buses" instead of "45 Foot Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) Motorcoaches". This is to avoid the same problem as the CompoBus contract - only MCI can produce a CNG motorcoach, thus specifying that in the request would be ILLEGAL. NJT had no choice but to say "Transit Buses", thus DesignLine went after the contract and was the low bidder. THAT is why they got the contract... period. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Jul 18 17:42:54 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Jul 18 17:38:40 2011. But that does not mean they have to except them if they can't handle the job. And that is likely to happen. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Jul 18 19:45:36 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Jul 18 17:38:40 2011. Understood, but there is some concern as to whether DesignLine can handle this volume of work. Furthermore, the MCI platform offers lower per seat cost as one can't get 57 pax seated on the DesignLine. I think the contract is bait and will be awarded to MCI in exchange for numerous diesel or hybrid-electric options. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 18 22:05:49 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jul 18 19:45:36 2011. yeah..smells like fishbait to me also...They had to do the low bid thing those..but they should have gone for the Compo BUS 45C |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by busdude2 on Tue Jul 19 05:29:31 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jul 18 19:45:36 2011. And what about the nj axle load requirements. MCI can handle that lets see if designline can. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Tue Jul 19 10:23:53 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Jul 18 17:38:40 2011. I understand it's the federal bid process, but while it calls for lowest bid, it has to be lowest responsive bid, correct?I fail to see how a company which doesn't, to the best of my knowledge, have a demonstrator bus built, can still get a contract. I don't recall Designline even building a 45-ft bus for the U.S. market. |
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Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Tue Jul 19 12:24:58 2011, in response to Re: Low Bid; DesignLine press release on WINNING! 76 buses, 45 ft, CNG, ''cruiser bus'' order, posted by ctrabs74 on Tue Jul 19 10:23:53 2011. When Millennium submitted their original bid to NJT in 2004, they had not assembled a single unit. NJT's Neoplans are a complete custom design that's not only 2 feet shorter than the normal AN460, but has a longer front section as well. If DL can deliver 76 45-footers in the timeframe specified by the request, they're more than welcome to offer a proposal. DL is probably aware of what happened with the Orion VI order (and if not, they should be), so if NJT rejects them for any reason, they'll be sold to someone else. |
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