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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 11:44:05 2010, in response to MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 02:18:40 2010. Some interesting numbers there. Glad to see more 40 foot diesels will be ordered. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 11 11:50:30 2010, in response to MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 02:18:40 2010. This is all about what Jay Walder wants becasue he is the big cheese.When the next head comes in after the next governor is elected, the mindset may change again. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 11 12:00:35 2010, in response to MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 02:18:40 2010. AMEN AMEN AMEN! I'm glad that someone figured out that clean diesel is better than hybrid in terms of all-in costs. Are these the same guys that recommended buying good used buses too? |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 14:00:54 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 11 12:00:35 2010. Meaning the ex-beeline Orion v's I guess. Good deal, they were well maintained there anyway. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 11 14:02:18 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 11:44:05 2010. Glad to see more 40 foot diesels will be ordered.Same here! |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 15:20:06 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 14:00:54 2010. Apparently not a good deal, if you look at BP's fleet condition right now. Lots of OOS. MTA Bus Company side has a fleet shortage growing day by day. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 15:36:53 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 15:20:06 2010. They were good until the MTA got their hands on them. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 11 16:34:01 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 15:36:53 2010. Those ex-Bee Line O5s are 14-15 years old. The LaGuardia Depot ones numbered 101-129 for many years were assigned to a weekday-only garage, which is why LGA's lower units aren't that bad.In addition, Brewer Boulevard is a terrible street. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 11 18:31:40 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 11 16:34:01 2010. I ride the Q39 twice a day and I can assure you the ex-Bee liners are now beat to sh**. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 11 18:32:45 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 15:36:53 2010. You have a very short memory my friend. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 18:48:44 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 11 12:00:35 2010. Are these the same guys that recommended buying good used buses too?I believe so since Joseph Smith, the current VP of the bus operations, he is responsible for all MTA bus division operations since 2008. But, they probably regret taking the used and old buses from Bee Line. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 11 19:07:02 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 18:48:44 2010. They needed those buses at the time, but now since all the new hybrids are in and there are extra buses dud to the cutbacks, these are now expendable if MTA wants to give up on them. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by JCL on Sun Jul 11 19:13:15 2010, in response to MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 02:18:40 2010. Is there a link to the report? |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 19:22:44 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 11 19:07:02 2010. The extra buses didnt make a dent. They are still having a fleet shortage over at MTA Bus Company right now. Too bad that DesingLine crap order didnt came in to bring some NYCT used buses over to MTA Bus side. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Sun Jul 11 19:38:09 2010, in response to MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 02:18:40 2010. I'm a bit surprised at the statement that CNG are cheeper, I thought:- More expensive to operate - More expensive to maintain And because of the above they didn't want any more, i.e. keep some around for depots that are set up to service them, but don't expand them into other depots. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by R40slantontheB on Sun Jul 11 19:41:26 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by busdude2 on Sun Jul 11 15:36:53 2010. I knew they'd ruin them. Should've given them to CBS Lines and they would still be in good shape today! :-) |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Jul 11 20:20:35 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by JCL on Sun Jul 11 19:13:15 2010. I attempted to look for one at the MTA Board Materials page and was unsuccessful. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun Jul 11 21:22:22 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 19:22:44 2010. Heh, MTA Bus should just take those lousy 1996 Novas Manhattan got rid when Amsterdam closed down. I think they're in Eastchester right now. The mileage shouldn't really matter since MTA Bus will take anything! Then kill those buses off. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jul 11 22:51:14 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Mr RT on Sun Jul 11 19:38:09 2010. I believe the tables actually have turned in recent years. With all of the requirements for "clean diesel" these days, with the filters, converters, etc, as well as the emissions requirements getting more strict every few years, I think CNG is looking better. You don't need all of the extra emissions stuff.Also, as the report stated, CNG fuel is MUCH cheaper than diesel right now. Plus, from my casual obervations, the ISL-G seems to be a much stronger and stable CNG (bus) engine than anything that was offered before. I'm glad they decided to take a second look at CNG, and we may have LI Bus to thank for that. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 11 22:53:49 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jul 11 22:51:14 2010. It would be nice if the TA repowered the VII CNG (OG) and the 2004 Orion Vs to the ISL-G! A lot of those buses are dogs w/ the EGR engine. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jul 11 23:26:34 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 11 22:53:49 2010. Indeed, they really should. The DD50 EGR never was that great. I think LACMTA repowered all the buses with the DD50EGRs to ISL-Gs too. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Jul 12 00:10:51 2010, in response to MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Jul 11 02:18:40 2010. MTA has invested lots of money into CNG infrastructure facilities. It will be such a waste to abandoned itGo sunk cost fallacy! CNG technology has been improving over the course in lifetime. Did they really say that? Is this a direct quote from the material? It seems completely foolish to tout the advances made to natural gas combustion engines while ignoring the advances hybrid electric systems have made in the same time. Why hasn't the MTA looked at ultracapacitors? Why aren't we seeing a greater battery/diesel power ratio now that lithium ion batteries allow greater power density to reduce deep cycling and improve lifespans? There are a great many advances which have been made to hybrid vehicles which are not reflected in the MTA's hybrid bus fleet, yet that appears to be the standard by which they are measuring. CNG prices are currently LOW in years. Except the folks at the DOE's Energy Information Administration are forecasting the greatest percentage increase in natural gas prices amongst every available power source for the coming year. And that's taking in to account the moratorium on deepwater drilling and the impact that would have on worldwide crude oil prices. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 00:22:56 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun Jul 11 21:22:22 2010. The "lousy" 1996 Novas Manhattan "got rid of" weren't actually half bad, esp after rehab work done to them, as is the case with many if not all the 1996 Novas...they aren't really a bad bus, they just don't look good worth shit anymore, depending on the garage that maintains them, but at least they run good... Say what you want about those buses, but I'd argue that those are among the last quality built RTS's that we have, so if they last THIS long, even in garages with less-than-desirable maintenance, they must be pretty damn good.That is all. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Jul 12 00:38:59 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by WillD on Mon Jul 12 00:10:51 2010. Why hasn't the MTA looked at ultracapacitors?Its funny you ask this. About 4 years ago a 6300 hybrid was fitted with capacitors as a test. From what maintainence told me it worked great and would save the company money from having to change the batteries every 3-4 years. Then he said to me sarcastically thats probably why we won't switch over to them. These contracts for replacement parts sometimes make more money for the insiders who get them then the original cost of the bus itself! |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Mon Jul 12 01:12:21 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 00:22:56 2010. They are great that idiot doesn't know what he's talking about. I'd drive an RTS over any hbrid any day. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jul 12 01:30:22 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Jul 12 00:38:59 2010. The 2200-series MCIs (2210-2250) are also equipped with ultracapacitors instead of batteries. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jul 12 01:33:38 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by R40slantontheB on Sun Jul 11 19:41:26 2010. CBS Lines has a lot less duty needed for those buses than the MTA needs out of its buses. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jul 12 01:55:52 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun Jul 11 21:22:22 2010. They should dump every single 1996 Nova RTS from storage into Fresh Pond. Then you'll learn to love those buses instead of bashing them. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Mon Jul 12 01:57:46 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jul 12 01:55:52 2010. Dont forget take every single original 1996 & 1998s AWAY from FP and replace them with more hand down 1996 & 1998 Novas. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 12 06:53:20 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 00:22:56 2010. so if they last THIS long, even in garages with less-than-desirable maintenance, they must be pretty damn good.Agreed. These 96 Novas outlived a lot of newer CNGs that came later in the 90s, they even outlived some 98 Novas (The ones that retired cause of natural causes) |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 06:59:23 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by WillD on Mon Jul 12 00:10:51 2010. lol |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Mon Jul 12 10:00:20 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by WillD on Mon Jul 12 00:10:51 2010. That may not happen As new supply is coming on line faster than demNd. Nat gas is used at factories. Also cng prices are very depressed. $6-7 nat gas will be the norm which is still cheaper than deseil. Like it or not, the gov is going to push fleets to nat gas. You will see hybrid nat gas buses. The price diff between the hybrids, nat gas and deseil price buses will shrink big time in the next few years |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Jul 12 11:06:29 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jul 11 23:26:34 2010. Because it is a 4 cylinder diesel modified for CNG.And it runs very hot :-( |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Jul 12 12:34:12 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 12 06:53:20 2010. The JG 1995 OrionV CNGs outlasted them! That shows right there those 1996 Novas were fail. MTA did the right thing dumping them in Eastchester. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Jul 12 12:36:27 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by FutureKBArticOP on Mon Jul 12 01:12:21 2010. I love the RTS, just not oldest oldest ones. You Bronxers can have the crappy AC ones though. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Jul 12 12:41:54 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jul 12 01:55:52 2010. I wouldn't hate the 1996 Novas so much if it wasn't for 2008 Grand Avenue changes, and being the oldest buses. Fresh Pond should just close down that way, MTA has no place to dump them. That way, I could enjoy nothing but 1998 RTS. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 12 13:01:48 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Mr RT on Mon Jul 12 11:06:29 2010. Their is tons of money being put into building better CNG engines. NYCT needs a diversity of fuels. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 13:45:08 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by brightonr68 on Mon Jul 12 13:01:48 2010. I'm sorry but I don't see how anyone can take you seriously. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Jul 12 14:23:21 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Jul 11 23:26:34 2010. LACMTA Never had or experimented with DD50EGR engines.Metro are currently repowering all the Lot 1 NABIs with the ISL-G. Already they are experiencing mechanical bugs/issues with the ISL-G...so they are not happy with Cummins at the moment. The Lot 2 and 3 NABIs will be repowered with the Dootsan-MAN engine once all the bugs are worked out in 2 test units ( #7540 and 7615 ). |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:03:25 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Jul 12 12:34:12 2010. Wait, the JG ones outlasted WHICH ones? How can that be if there are still 1996 Novas still running around? Unless you are talking about units that were Bronx Division originals? Because there are 8700s and 8900s still running around in Manhattanville as well as the Bronx (i.e. that 8700 sighting out of Eastchester)... |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:11:13 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Jul 12 12:34:12 2010. And the ONLY reason why the JG 1995 Orions might have outlasted them is because the JG Orion Vs aren't subject to nearly as much use/abuse in Brooklyn as the 1996 Novas in the Bronx (The only JG routes you might find heavy use is the B35 and maybe the B8, the Bronx as a majority is fully of high-ridership routes with heavy abuse)...Walnut's high-use routes historically included the Bx4, Bx5, Bx15, and Bx19 Kingsbridge's historically included the Bx1/2, Bx7, Bx9, Bx41, Bx55, and M100 Gun Hill's historically included the Bx12, Bx22, Bx39, Bx40/42, and most if not all the Co-op City lines... Much potential for buses to be driven down to the ground, especially if not maintained properly. Most of the time, the buses never got cosmetically maintained is because once the bus gets driven to the ground and taken into the shop to get fixed, all of the fixings get unfixed by the same use and abuse that warranted a shop fix in the first place, so it didn't make sense, almost fostering a lax work ethic....but I'd be damned if those buses didn't run and take the abuse... Got me where I needed to go all the years I was living in The Bronx... |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 12 18:29:00 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:03:25 2010. A few 96 Novas have went down due to natrual causes, they was 9095, 9303, 8950, 9111 and serveral of the Cummins RTS which are FP orginals btw, while these so called crap 8800s from KB still trooper on. There are some others but I don't rembember the #. I just realized something, the Ex Green Lines Vs from 1997 outlived FP 98 Novas 9528 & 9529, LMAO!!!Anyway his point his invaild since theres a shitload of 96 Novas still in service and the JG Vs would have been dead by now if it wasn't for CP needing extra buses for service. From what I read here theres an order of NG CNGs coming in wheres the Designline order is an hot mess so who knows when that order is really gonna get going. If I was an betting man, I'm pretty sure the 96 Novas will outlast those 10 JG Vs at CP, also another point, notice how ECH ONLY uses 96 Novas for local service, if those buses were crap I'm pretty sure it would be posted here about how ECH is having issues making score on the QBX1. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Jul 12 20:55:11 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:03:25 2010. Manhattanville is currently 100% hybrids now since July 4.Our last ones were 9000 series. |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jul 13 00:02:40 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Jul 12 12:41:54 2010. You just don't get how the MTA operates DO YOU? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jul 13 00:16:46 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 12 18:29:00 2010. Those 9500s are gone? Sad... |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 13 00:28:13 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Jul 12 20:55:11 2010. Oh, I know, I meant system-wide...speaking of Manhattanville, I kinda miss the 9000s at MHV, I really miss RTS's out of MHV period...well, at least 126 and MJQ are the only two RTS strongholds in Manhattan Division these days... :( |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Tue Jul 13 01:42:23 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 13:45:08 2010. Oh please, how can anyone take you seriously... |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Tue Jul 13 01:48:38 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by JCL on Sun Jul 11 19:13:15 2010. You have to watch the boring MTA Board meeting videos. The May 2010 CPOC meeting is online, go to this link: http://mta.info/mta/webcasts/archive.htm |
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Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jul 13 01:50:54 2010, in response to Re: MTA bus future (part 1): buy less hybrid$ / more on: Diesel & CNG; WHY?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Jul 12 18:11:13 2010. Excellent post. |
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