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Posted by mta_si on Tue Sep 29 11:02:46 2009 Staten Island pols call on MTA to take over two privately-operated bus routesBy Staten Island Advance September 29, 2009, 10:31AM Advance file photo/Jan Somma-Hammel Atlantic Express currently has a contract with the city to operate two South Shore bus routes. A number of Staten island elected officials want that to change.A coalition of Staten Island elected officials are calling on the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to take over two privately operated express bus routes on the South Shore of Staten Island. The x23 and x24 lines -- which are operated by Atlantic Express under contract with the MTA -- are the last non-publically operated routes in the city, the officials said. The MTA has previously said it would take over the routes, but likely are scrapping that plan altogether because of economic concerns. "Staten Island commuters are being taken for a ride by the MTA who are once again feigning poverty, literally at our expense. This is a shame," said Assemblyman Lou Tobacco (R-South Shore). "The state and federal government just gave the MTA $2.2 billion this year, which is on top of new revenue coming in from higher fares, fees and new taxes. Now is exactly the time when the MTA should be able to afford taking over these bus routes and allow the $12 million to be used to improve Staten Island's transportation system." Tobacco was joined by City Councilmen Vincent Ignizio (R-South Shore) and James Oddo (R-Mid-Island), state Sen. Andrew Lanza (R-Staten Island) and Rep. Michael McMahon in blasting the agency for renegging on an earlier plan. "I remind Jay Walder [the new head of the MTA] of those immortal lyrics from the Who's Pete Townshend, 'Meet the new boss; same as the old boss, '" Councilman Oddo said." "Same MTA. Same disdain for Staten Island. Same struggle by all of us to try and get fairness." The city is currently paying Atlantic Express $12 million to operate the routes, but the pols would rather that money spent on other transportation projects in the borough. "It is imperative that we persuade the MTA to comply with their obligation to provide additional bus service to Staten Island whom they have habitually underserved," Lanza said, and was echoed by Ignizio. "Its time to hold the MTA's feet to the fire when it comes to fulfilling their obligation," he said. "It's the MTA's job to provide bus service, and their failure in doing so doesn't go unnoticed. A deal is a deal." said Ignizio. The Charleston Annex -- the borough's long-awaited third bus depot -- is expected to open next summer, and will include outdoor parking for approximately 200 buses. "Staten Islanders have heard about the construction of a third bus depot for years now, and we are all pleased to see it's finally coming to fruition," McMahon said. "Having the MTA take over operation of these two express bus lines is a good first step and would demonstrate their commitment to the commuters and hard-working people of Staten Island." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 29 11:19:33 2009, in response to Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by mta_si on Tue Sep 29 11:02:46 2009. LINKED: Staten Island pols call on MTA to take over 2 privately-operated bus routes |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Sep 29 11:32:38 2009, in response to Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by mta_si on Tue Sep 29 11:02:46 2009. Wow, they are not fans of private enterprise on Staten Island, are they. Is Atlantic Express service THAT bad? Besides, it seems like they are just going with the fact that they don't want to pay for that particular transit service...The overhead for Atlantic Express may honestly be cheaper than what MTA would charge for service on those routes. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Sep 29 11:35:48 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Sep 29 11:32:38 2009. They just want the TA's presense on the lines - it actually stems back from the days of Commuter Bus (Academy) prior to 2001/2002 when they dropped the service after they lost the DOT contract. I completely understand their frustration, but the fact is if they do not have the facilities or money to take over the operation, it is best not to do so until a time when it is practical (more than likely when Charleston opens). |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 13:05:29 2009, in response to Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by mta_si on Tue Sep 29 11:02:46 2009. Politicians on crack.We want an agency that "doesn't care about Staten Island" to run all of the buses. PRICELESS. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 13:12:38 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Sep 29 11:35:48 2009. They want to divert the subsidy to something else. Remember, it cost no money to operate the MTA buses. If the MTA needs money, it can raise tolls, tax phone bills, tax payrolls, assess DMV fees, and if all else fails, threaten a transportation meltdown to get money.Academy had its faults, but Academy provided lots of service at zero cost to the city. These guys want more express bus service than the demand can support. This is the only reason why they want them all public. The local lines are underdeveloped and no one advocates for better local service. Of course, this is what happens when you encourage the MTA to break state and federal laws. No agreement is ever safe. The first part of this agreement involved the MTA operating TWO routes on the South Shore. The X21 was supposed to do what the AE7 is doing now. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Sep 29 17:51:19 2009, in response to Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by mta_si on Tue Sep 29 11:02:46 2009. Intresting. Looks like these high class politicians dont support privitazion of service. Whats wrong with the service Atlantic Express is providing on these routes? Overcrowding ?, missed trips ? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Sep 29 18:49:54 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Sep 29 17:51:19 2009. Nothing much actually aside from the crowding issues that come with operating on the South Shore and overall condition of the bus issues which you would encounter everywhere. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 29 20:03:03 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 13:05:29 2009. If they didn't care about SI though, the MTA would have been sending old RTSs and O5s to Staten Island Division, or building a third garage that is sorely needed. Once Charleston opens in 2010, things should improve dramatically. |
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Posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:29:14 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 13:12:38 2009. The way I understand it, the New York MTA has NO business operating in the state of New Jersey. That is not only NJ Transit's turf, but that of the New Jersey based bus companies as well. Technically, all these commuter bus routes are operating in INTERSTATE COMMERCE,something the MTA has NO right or authority to do. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 20:31:38 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 29 20:03:03 2009. Why would the MTA send buses that require additional maintenance to SI? That would be self-inflicted pain. They can barely maintain what they have now. BP, FR, and LGA can maintain old buses because they have been keeping RTS models on life support for YEARS. While the MTA makes many stupid decisions, the people who allocate buses tend to have a brain.Again, they sound like a bunch of babies. I should send a pack of Huggies XL diapers to them. |
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Posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:32:18 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Sep 29 17:51:19 2009. It seems to me that private companies like Academy and Atlantic Express, to name a couple are providing much better service to their customers than the MTA to theirs. And MTA has the gall to try to take over a route that crosses a state line. I believe that is called INTERSTATE COMMERCE, something the MTA has no business or authority doing. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 20:34:33 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:29:14 2009. The MTA has authority. Their authority is FOR HIRE. So, all the SI MCIs should be inspected along with the buses on the illegal route. If you want to dispose of a DOT inspector, bring up why the MTA is not being overseen. NYSDOT says that they are not legally allowed to stop "official" vehicles. |
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Posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:40:47 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 20:34:33 2009. I thought the MTA buses were NOT supposed to cross state lines. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Sep 29 20:45:07 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 13:05:29 2009. As much as the SI politicians bitch and moan about NYCT bus service on Staten Island, they must really like it! |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Sep 29 20:46:41 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:40:47 2009. I wonder what would happen if the NJSP were allowed to stop any and all MTA buses running in revenue service through NJ without the proper lettering on them (this includes the S89). |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 21:00:03 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Ken S. on Tue Sep 29 20:46:41 2009. State Police don't like stopping any buses at all. They are very consistent.There are certain things that one holds over the DOT's head in case they act up. This is one of them. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 21:03:18 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:40:47 2009. They can. The issue is that they ignore federal regulations. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Sep 29 21:13:02 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 21:00:03 2009. Which DOT? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Sep 29 22:19:28 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Sep 29 20:45:07 2009. Express bus service is as close to a necessity as anything can get for 70% of the population of SI - I wouldn't say that they like more than it's an essential... |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Sep 29 22:33:19 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:40:47 2009. May I introduce to you the S89 line?S89 - Richmond Av/Bayonne, New Jersey 
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 23:44:50 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Ken S. on Tue Sep 29 21:13:02 2009. USDOT primarily. |
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Posted by B1bus on Tue Sep 29 23:47:00 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Sep 29 18:49:54 2009. I think the seats are more comfortable. |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Wed Sep 30 00:17:29 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:32:18 2009. I don't disagree. But then again, there's the political factor that SI brings to the table against the rest of the city and state. The S89's existence is a perfect example. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed Sep 30 07:56:44 2009, in response to Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by mta_si on Tue Sep 29 11:02:46 2009. This is a NYCDOT franchise ... so what does Bloomburg & NYCDOT have to say ? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Sep 30 08:56:19 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Mr RT on Wed Sep 30 07:56:44 2009. Bus franchises are "not legal" on Staten Island...hence the involvement of NYSDOT. NYCDOT is working on behalf of the state. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Sep 30 10:45:05 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 29 20:03:03 2009. That garage was originally supposed to be operational in the mid 1990s. It was proposed shortly after Yukon opened. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Sep 30 16:11:35 2009, in response to Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by mta_si on Tue Sep 29 11:02:46 2009. "Now is exactly the time when the MTA should be able to afford taking over these bus routes and allow the $12 million to be used to improve Staten Island's transportation system."Thing 1... Most of the "new revenue" being cited is dedicated for specific CAPITAL expenditures (e.g. buying buses or building a depot) and thus CANNOT be used for day-to-day operating costs (e.g. paying drivers). Transit would have to cut $12M worth of service elsewhere to pay for the takeover. Have the S.I. politicians decided which routes in which other boroughs will get cut?? Thing 2... What guarantee is there that the $12M would be used for anything on Staten Island? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Sep 30 17:51:31 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Sep 30 16:11:35 2009. "Most of the "new revenue" being cited is dedicated for specific CAPITAL expenditures (e.g. buying buses or building a depot) and thus CANNOT be used for day-to-day operating costs (e.g. paying drivers)."Now you know they were not going to say that publicly. "Transit would have to cut $12M worth of service elsewhere to pay for the takeover. Have the S.I. politicians decided which routes in which other boroughs will get cut??" Judging by their SI behavior, any local route will do. In fact, if MTA Bus runs the route, we can send the MAYOR the bill. Eureka! |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Sep 30 18:27:34 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 29 20:31:38 2009. BP, FR, and LGA can maintain old buses because they have been keeping RTS models on life support for YEARS.I agree, in the case of FR they maintain the RTSs better than they do the hybrids IMO. Those old RTS in FR run so good its hard to belive that there 18 years old, they could outrun some of these newer RTS out there like 5203.. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 11:44:38 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:40:47 2009. MTA buses can run via NJ but not make any stops unless the bus is USDOT registered.As SIR North Shore posted, take a look at the S89. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 11:52:01 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Dieseljim50 on Tue Sep 29 20:32:18 2009. And MTA has the gall to try to take over a route that crosses a state line. I believe that is called INTERSTATE COMMERCE, something the MTA has no business or authority doing.But none of the MTA express buses make stops in NJ....had MTA express buses make stops in NJ, then what they are doing is completely unauthorized. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Oct 1 11:53:37 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 11:44:38 2009. Yep, the S89 could actually make more stops in NJ if they wanted to because of that USDOT registration. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 11:53:54 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Wed Sep 30 17:51:31 2009. Judging by their SI behavior, any local route will do. In fact, if MTA Bus runs the route, we can send the MAYOR the bill. Eureka!Run the S53 and S79 out of Spring Creek! :D |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 12:09:59 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Wed Sep 30 17:51:31 2009. Well, from service cuts in Brooklyn Division...they may have their findings, with short-turns on other routes coming back en masse (i.e., short-turning Bergen Beach B41 locals at Empire Boulevard). |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 12:25:08 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Oct 1 11:53:37 2009. Pretty much, but the PANYNJ would have to approve of it also (which I would highly doubt because NJT would have a FIT). |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 1 12:52:14 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 11:44:38 2009. Not correct.You do not register individual buses with USDOT - that authority is assigned to the operating company (in this case, NYCTA). Just having the operator's USDOT number on the side of a given bus does not make it legal for interstate service (Joel's basis for his complaint against them). The Port Authority has zero oversight over bus routes in New Jersey. Their involvement in the S89 was purchasing buses and trying to broker cooperation. In NJ, bus routes are independently owned and registered with NJDOT. NJ Transit is considered an independent route owner for these purposes, and is free to subcontract operation of their routes, as can all the private bus companies in NJ. Interstate service to/from NJ is a matter of having the correct authority to do so from USDOT. Any authorized operator can then apply for a route and fare structure - even if it's in direct competition with an existing carrier - if the new operator feels their service is needed. NJ Transit Bus Operations is a fully legal and compliant interstate bus carrier, and their entire fleet (even the 30-foot baby Novas) are legal for interstate service. This dates back to Public Service and Transport of New Jersey, and NJT simply inherited those rights. As has been pointed out many times here at BusChat, NYCTA has ignored many of the same regulations that NJT rigorously adheres to. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 1 12:55:55 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 1 12:52:14 2009. PWN3D. Thanks for that info. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 1 13:02:24 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 1 12:52:14 2009. So let me see if I understand you.For interstate service that involves running through NJ: Step 1: Get authority from USDOT to run interstate service Step 2: Get approval from NJDOT to operate a specific route with a specific fare structure Step 3: Follow all USDOT and NJDOT regulations that apply when the above permissions have been granted If my understanding is correct, which of the above 3 steps is where NYCT is in the wrong, according to you and JAzumah? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 13:06:24 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 1 13:02:24 2009. It might be #2, because while the MTA does have approval from the NJ Turnpike Authority, authority from NJDOT on non-NJTPA roadways may be lacking.Just a guess. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 1 13:34:39 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 13:06:24 2009. Actually, it's #3 of the list. For the S89, NYCTA has failed to properly label the equipment and does not have the buses inspected to federal requirements (hiding behind the NYS "Official" status).The express routes that travel to Manhattan via NJ are a separate issue that doesn't involve conventional interstate service rules. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 1 14:17:33 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 1 13:34:39 2009. The express service is not a special issue. I asked NJ's FMCSA office to provide a copy of the waiver that was given to the MTA. None was forthcoming. On the MTA's certificate, only TWO buses are registered. NY's office claims that the MTA could have a series of 30 day "leases" for the buses operating the 100+ runs into NYC and thus they would not be marked. That is utter BS.Likewise, Doris Eusebio at the NYC FMCSA office says that the MTA does not come under her jurisdiction. She is wrong. Everybody comes under the USDOT's safety jurisdiction if they cross state lines. There are no exceptions to this policy unless you are under 9 seats. It is the economic regulation (insurance) that is waived for certain types of operations. I won't even discuss the fact that there still has been no public hearing for the S89 route. That is a violation of state law. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Oct 1 14:17:46 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 12:25:08 2009. Why would the PA need to approve? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 14:22:30 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 1 13:34:39 2009. Labeling regulations are usually up to state requirements. That said, NYSDOT regulations don't apply to vehicles operated by public authorities. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 1 14:23:43 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 11:52:01 2009. Interstate commerce is defined by the path you take, not by where you stop. In 1983, a bus company started a route from North Westchester to NYC. As you know, a portion of I-684 runs through Connecticut. This portion allowed the carrier to ignore NYSDOT, which was trying to kill the route and assert federal rights.In theory, I could run buses along Lexington Avenue and 3 Avenue as long as at least one run terminates in NJ. That makes the WHOLE ROUTE interstate, even though most of the buses would not cross state lines. This is what is going to kill the S89 faster than a legal case. If I start running buses in Manhattan locally, the MTA will get religion and that is what I am planning for next summer...or sooner. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 14:24:12 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 14:22:30 2009. For the same reason, Metro-North trucks are only stickered with MTA Metro North Railroad, New York, NY, USDOT 383095.The legal name is Metro North Commuter Railroad Company. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 14:26:19 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 1 14:23:43 2009. Then why has no one taken up a case against Liberty Lines? The Bee Line 12 route runs through Greenwich, CT (although that portion of King Street is still New York Route 120A and owned by the New York State DOT). |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 1 14:26:40 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Oct 1 11:53:54 2009. I was thinking the X23 and X24 out of Spring Creek...or Yonkers. The buses can be serviced midday at Quill. The bill for all of that would be charged to the city. Naturally, the buses could not park on SI or they would "catch fire". They would have to deadhead to Spring Creek or wherever every night.The thing is, it would be TOTALLY LEGAL. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 14:31:10 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 1 14:26:40 2009. OR, reduce the MTA workforce and give Staten Island express routes to Atlantic Express (drivers would wear MTA uniforms, and the MTA would still own the buses and have them painted New York City Bus), but the legals would be under Atlantic Express Coachways or Staten Island Bus Company.Lease Charleston to Atlantic Express, and AE could probably find another lot to store buses. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Oct 1 14:32:51 2009, in response to Re: Staten Island Atlantic Express Takeover MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 1 14:22:30 2009. Interstate bus operators must have the full legal name of the operator on both sides of the bus. This is why, despite the NJ TRANSIT logos, all NJT buses are labeled "Operated by: N. J. Transit Bus Operations, Inc." (their legal name), just as all Hounds are labeled "Operator: Greyhound Lines, Inc."There is no exception to USDOT carriers, whether truck or bus. The MTA service trucks you noted are not legally labeled. |
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