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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by Transit Jeff on Wed Nov 19 21:07:38 2008, in response to MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Nov 18 08:41:55 2008. I haven't read the responses to this thread yet, but with the budget woes, what happens to the holiday operation of the historic buses and subway trains? I guess they'll consider that an unnecessary frill. |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 21:09:17 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Wed Nov 19 20:52:19 2008. Do you know what the BxM3 carries at night? I do I drove the 11:15 for a year and the 12:15 every once in a while. 8-10 people thats right 8-10 not exactly amazing. Also I do work on Thanksgiving and Christmas on the BxM3 & 4 for the holiday pay, what do you think I carried last Thanksgiving on a 11 hour run w/ 6 trips. 16 all day total of 16 all day, it's gettin' cut. The MTA is not responsable for the short comings of the Bee-line said the Chief Transportation Officer for MTA bus 2 years ago to me about adding BxM3 service. The S/B trips after 6:30 go down empty or w/ 1-2 people per trip I know because I've done it. |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Wed Nov 19 21:13:06 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 21:09:17 2008. "The Hat" is right about the BxM3 service. On Saturday evening (November 8th), two friends and I rode the BxM3 down to E 26th St and yes...we were the ONLY passengers on the bus. Yes, I see that route getting cut back...a lot! |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 19 21:18:26 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by The TransitMan on Wed Nov 19 21:13:06 2008. I remember fanning the BxM4B once on a Saturday morning up to the last stop in Woodlawn and being the only passenger on it after East 125th Street, so the driver asked me what stop I was getting off at and I told him, and we went all the way up the Deegan to 233rd Street, then up Van Cortlandt Park to the City Line, fun trip. |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 21:25:25 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Wed Nov 19 20:52:19 2008. You can check w/ other posters who have rode w/ me on the the lines in Yonkers thay can tell you of the dire condition ridership is here. Heck if you want ride my bus you can, shoot me an e-mail, I'll give you my schedule and you can see for yourself the sad state of affairs, I wish it weren't true for me and my co-workers, but it is what it is now. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Wed Nov 19 21:50:11 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 21:09:17 2008. Bee Line has made the W45 (Pelham Bit Stables and Bartow Pell Mansion), W60, W61, and W62 (Upper Boston Road) open door in the Bronx due to MTA's shortcomings in providing service to all of the Bronx |
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BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Wed Nov 19 21:59:37 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 21:09:17 2008. Until NYC/NYCDOT cuts off the operatings cost reimbursement, the BxM3 is staying put though, since MTA has a blank check. |
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Re: BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 19 23:04:56 2008, in response to BxM3 reimbursement, posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Wed Nov 19 21:59:37 2008. And THAT is the wild card. The city may withdraw the blank check in 2009. They did not intend to be up at $300+ million in subsidy for the private lines. Technically, the cost of those lines are uncontrollable without a cap. What is to stop the MTA from cutting NYCT routes and dumping them on MTA Bus? |
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Re: BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Wed Nov 19 23:38:25 2008, in response to Re: BxM3 reimbursement, posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 19 23:04:56 2008. What cut off peak Bx29 service to/from Co Op City, and run extra QBx1 service to/from Co Op City and Bay Plaza |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Thu Nov 20 07:02:03 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 19 20:21:02 2008. The Rail Road won't be cheaper because you know that fare will be going up as well |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Nov 20 19:44:27 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Wed Nov 19 21:50:11 2008. Yes, MTA short comings, you assume there is a resiprocity between the 2. That was also to eliminate the zone fare, and bolster revenue I worked for both LLE & LLT. |
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Re: BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Nov 20 19:59:03 2008, in response to Re: BxM3 reimbursement, posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 19 23:04:56 2008. The point of the takeover was to reduce operating costs and improve service e.g actually running buses, not a blank check to the MTA. When the city's budget comes up they may withdraw the blank check for a coupon only redeemable by the MTA taking the fall for cutting service, not city politicians. BTW did I mention were lossing runs already, right now they are under the radar. Passengers havent noticed it because they have played w/ the headways, but the fact remains service cut have begun, just where will they stop? Also the union at my depot said that the MTA will layoff at MTABus. So if there are layoffs at MTABus in terms of Operating staff, by defaut doesn't cut service if there is no one to drive and fix buses. Don't speculate until you live it, OK. Sorry to be blunt, I wish you were right, but everything at work is in the direction of loss of service even complete closure of the depot. However if they do reduce service then that may allow them to give reliable service to keep the riders there, but my passengers have already told me they refuse to pay $7.50 and will use alternate means. It sucks. |
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Re: BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:17:53 2008, in response to Re: BxM3 reimbursement, posted by TheHat on Thu Nov 20 19:59:03 2008. Then the city would have just shut you guys down by now if MTA did not take over. Thye'll pay the $7.50. They won't ride for a few days but when they see what the alternatives are, they'll rush back. |
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Re: BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Nov 20 20:31:57 2008, in response to Re: BxM3 reimbursement, posted by TheHat on Thu Nov 20 19:59:03 2008. That was not the point of the takeover. The point of the takeover was to rid the city of the responsibility of the bus system. Previously, the franchise system was caught in a turf war between the Council and the mayor. This is why nothing got done. The city can cut or cap subsidies at any time and make the MTA eat it. The purpose of congestion pricing is for the city and state to redirect funds from the general fund to the MTA elsewhere.You are seeing the deal everyday. Old buses from NYCT go to Bus to be fixed (at city expense). Then, the units plug holes at both Bus and NYCT when necessary. A few of Quill's MCI buses were rehabbed at MTA Bus and then sent to Manhattan. Some of Bus's MCIs were sent to SI. Get my drift? The MTA is going to milk Bus for all it is worth as long as the blank check continues to exist. We are all living it in different ways. I've already gone through the laying off people bit because of the MTA's lawbreaking ways. I do not take people or their jobs lightly. However, we will have systemic failure if the express bus system continues to only recover 23% of its costs. Your cuts at Bus will be minor because you are now the MTA's whipsaw against NYCT. If they [NYCT] can't get the job done the way the MTA wants it, Bus will do it. This is why you do not yet have a contract. |
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Re: BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Nov 20 20:36:23 2008, in response to Re: BxM3 reimbursement, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:17:53 2008. No, the city tried that and we restored weekend service through much bitchin' and cryin' from Riverdalians. If tha twas the case I would be at LLT and happy not at the MTA and miserable and broke. BxM1,2 & 18 = Bx7,10 & 20 to 1 train. BxM3 = W1,2 & Bx9 to 1 Train Bx1/2,10,12 to 4 train, BxM4 = D,4 trains. BxM11 = 2 train. Any questions? |
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Re: BxM3 reimbursement |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Nov 20 20:54:20 2008, in response to Re: BxM3 reimbursement, posted by JAzumah on Thu Nov 20 20:31:57 2008. Yes, I left that part out, little stressed. Sorry. The MTA is playing the game and the city might figure it out soon enough. That looks like the plan, but what I can't figure out is why is MTABus making changes that make service worse, like taking the way our runs at Yonkers are tight and unreliable and spreading to Eastchester where the runs were reliable with enough running time and actually were more productive in terms of ridership per trip for our late and missing trips depending on spares to plug the gaps, poorly. Our list report board is 25 people for a depot w/ only 90 buses. We use our shape(list/report) board as spares and send them out to cover trips that are late, not so much for absenteeism. If its agood day and less trips are covered they sit in a bus at ends of lines and get paid to do nothing, wasteful isn't it. I did shape for a couple of picks and got paid to sleep all day in a bus and sometimes I did a couple of trips in an 8 hour day. The MTA introduced the large shape board, at LLE we only had 5 shape operators to cover trips and absentees. |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Thu Nov 20 21:27:25 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by mci guy on Wed Nov 19 16:01:15 2008. I wouldn't worry about that mci_guy during todays Board meeting NYCT had an Action Item which included an in house Paratransit/AAR which would be under or merged into MaBSTOA and the Commissioners/Board Members all approved of it although it will be a wait and see i honestly i hope that they move to do this it would benefit them in some degree and it might benefit you and who ever else on here may work for paratransit such as myself |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Thu Nov 20 21:27:35 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by mci guy on Wed Nov 19 16:01:15 2008. I wouldn't worry about that mci_guy during todays Board meeting NYCT had an Action Item which included an in house Paratransit/AAR which would be under or merged into MaBSTOA and the Commissioners/Board Members all approved of it although it will be a wait and see i honestly i hope that they move to do this it would benefit them in some degree and it might benefit you and who ever else on here may work for paratransit |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Nov 20 21:32:32 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by Operator3319 on Wed Nov 19 15:32:18 2008. The crime about the para transit operation is that a good number of it's riders are able bodied enough to take the bus or took car service to the senior center in the past.The feds need to revisit the para tranist bill which was put in place at a time when most buses were wheel chair equipted and the mandate that they must prepare to service all calls. A higher level of service that regular mas trnasit |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Nov 21 08:43:09 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by Operator3319 on Thu Nov 20 21:27:25 2008. our guy was outbid and will close 12/31/08. |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 21 14:43:24 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by Transit Jeff on Wed Nov 19 21:07:38 2008. The train will run (signs are up). It starts next week. Haven't heard about the buses yet, though I imagine they'll run too. The buses can't cost too much money to operate can they? They fill in scheduled intervals right? |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Fri Nov 21 15:22:01 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by mci guy on Fri Nov 21 08:43:09 2008. Hmm I wonder who out bid your Company it would be a travesty if NYCT were to take everone from your Company which I believe is American Paratransit which is located in The Bronx because you Guys belong to TWU Local 100 that would be unfare and a slap in the face to any other Paratransit Driver there should be a vetting process from every Company to reach their goal of 250 DriversFurther more it is and was a waste of Money for NYCT to dole out contracts to 26 different Operators there are only Five Boroughs in the City of New York there for it Should have only been 5 Paratransit Garages/Depots now i see why the City of New York doesnt want to pay up the usual by the MTA MILK someone DRY |
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Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Nov 21 15:44:33 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 14:30:41 2008. I disagree - why should some riders pay more because their destination is located on a different line and requires a transfer? Everyone should pay the same fare to travel between two points within the city (express buses and commuter rail excluded). |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Nov 21 18:09:09 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by Operator3319 on Fri Nov 21 15:22:01 2008. MV paratransit outbid us. we are the other co going out. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Fri Nov 21 22:32:32 2008, in response to Re: MTA Planned Budget Cuts to Buses (Local and Express), posted by Operator3319 on Wed Nov 19 15:32:18 2008. The answer is not fare zones. Too complicated. Have a seperate car or bus fleet called Express-A-Ride that charges extra for those who want to go DIRECT from Staten Island to Bronx or whereever without making 6, 7 or 8 pickups and dropoffs along the way. That would justify additional cost. But is a ride costs 50 bucks for the MTA to provide, even 7 dollars is a giveaway. |
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