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Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes... |
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Posted by 3440 on Sat Jul 26 13:47:43 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. express buses shouldn't cost 10-12$...I don't want express buses be like NJT,NNRR and LIRR or the airtrain if that mater...5$ is fine.People already paying too much money on commuter railroad everyday in which that's crazy...don't get me started on the airtrain...that should be free.BJC |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 13:50:38 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. Yes, a route like the QM11 where the trip can be made by subway should be ridden of. The QM1 has recently increased its schedule but further tweaking should be made. I've ridden the bus and can't pinpoint whether its the unreliability or schedule that makes some buses empty. I think bi-directional service should be explored further if a market exists (I doubt it). Frankly, I'm surprised the issue is dormant in light of proposed fare increases. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 14:00:14 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 13:50:38 2008. Express busses have nice political backing in most cases a group of hardcore riders who have a politician on the side to run too incase the MTA wants to put the knife to it. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jul 26 14:08:54 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 3440 on Sat Jul 26 13:47:43 2008. Express buses should cost an amount relative to what they cost the TA to provide. |
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Posted by caseyjim on Sat Jul 26 14:11:03 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 14:00:14 2008. Some of those routes do not really need to be running at all, especially when, in some cases you have buses running half full or 3/4 empty on some trips.This type of service should only be operated when it is demonstrated there is sufficient demand for it to make it a seperate route from a regular all stops route. The Niagara Frontier Transit System and the NFTA since then have elected that only certain trips on established routes be run freeway or thruway express between originating suburbs and downtown Buffalo. The former 8-Main Williamsville-North Bailey Meadows designated certain inbound and outbound trips with the letter F or H with a slash through the letter, which would also appear on the front sign of the bus in red through the white letter. Inbound trips in NFT's final years as a private company ran moderately full and outbound trips were full on this route. A lot of these other express routes are to please some political hack if anything and not really perform a real service to the public. Many of these routes just waste diesel fuel. What the TA's should do before putting on an express bus is gauge the demand to see if a full load of passengers or something close to it is going to use it. By eliminating a lot of unnessary runs,the Transit Authority can save money to be used to provide a service for which THERE is a need and demand for. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 14:26:41 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by caseyjim on Sat Jul 26 14:11:03 2008. Exactly, the busses that run nearly empty must be eliminated, I'm sorry but the cost to operate them far exceeds the revenue they can create. (I know transit in general doesn't make a profit but it doesn't mean that spending can't be curbed) But that's my point, eliminating runs that aren't necessary or lines that are redundant to subway lines. Then looking at express bus routes altogether tweaking routes to improve them make them faster, eliminating low use stops, and/ or reducing their schedules. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jul 26 15:21:52 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. LETS KILL THE WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM! ROUND UP ALL THE D4500s AND SET THEM ABLAZE!WE'LL TURN IT INTO A BBQ! WOOOO! |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jul 26 15:31:15 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by caseyjim on Sat Jul 26 14:11:03 2008. *Ahem* Weekend QM4 *Ahem* |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat Jul 26 18:51:58 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. Express busses in NYC are a waste of money, even in Staten Island. Certain SI routes can easily be eliminate along with bronx and queens bus routes with poor performance.How dare you! O.K. Which S.I. routes? Not the X15 which passes a few blocks from my large-carbon-footprint home. Take away my dear X15 and I will be forced to drive one of my low mpg vehicles with the a/c on full blast and the windows open to the New Dorp SIR station. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jul 26 19:25:54 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by R30A on Sat Jul 26 14:08:54 2008. TRUTH! |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jul 26 19:33:23 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jul 26 15:31:15 2008. What's wrong with the weekend QM4? |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jul 26 19:36:21 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. How does getting rid of reverse peak service lower costs? You still have to pay the driver to drive an empty bus back to the garage. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sat Jul 26 20:34:08 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Ken S. on Sat Jul 26 19:33:23 2008. No one uses it really. On one ocassion, I don't recall why but they had the 260st QM1A cover a weekend Qm4 run because no one was getting off after Main and Jewel. The QM1A to 260 st should just replace the QM4 have it run Queens Blvd to Jewel, Jewel to 73rd and continue along the current route. There's really no point in the GO 1A running on Union or having the Qm4.And would it kill MTA restructure the QM3? I mean come on, running on Northern all the way to L. Neck. Add service because people up there will use it, Combine it with the X51 west of sanford and northern and run it out of CP. Before anyone say the QM22 should be killed off, try an extension along Astoria Blvd into E. Elmhurst. Lastly, MTA needs to find a better way to run the buses other than Queens Blvd. I got on the NST QM1A around 5:10 pm one night and got off at 260th st at 7:45. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:35:59 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jul 26 15:31:15 2008. Name one express route that is well used on the weekends. I only see about 3 seniors when a QM2 bus rolls by on Saturday. A CityTicket on LIRR is a weekend bargain, not a $5 bus. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:39:56 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sat Jul 26 20:34:08 2008. It's pathatic. I drive to work in Manhattan and found that Queens and Northern Blvd's are the best during rush hour. Taking the Midtown tunnel and LIE won't solve your evening commute problems. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 21:02:51 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 14:00:14 2008. However...remember that certain people who use express buses are UNABLE to use the subway, because where they need to go is not accessible...but the MTA has worked hard to make it HARDER to qualify for ADA paratransit services...with people who should be eligible for it being denied.What I am asking for is not for those who are scared of the subway, but for those to whom the sole impediment is being able to use the metro. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k8 on Sat Jul 26 21:07:27 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:35:59 2008. BXM7, BXM7A... |
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Posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Sat Jul 26 21:17:05 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:35:59 2008. The X1s I saw today were pretty full actually...I don't know if that's the usual. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 21:28:32 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Ken S. on Sat Jul 26 19:36:21 2008. Or, you don't have the driver deadhead and pull into a spot in western Midtown. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 26 21:30:22 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 21:28:32 2008. DING DING DING!Let's use that Quill roof space. After boiling down the SI buses, there should be plenty of room. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 26 21:32:11 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:35:59 2008. X1, X10, BxM1, BxM7, BxM7A, BxM9 |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 26 21:34:48 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 21:02:51 2008. If you are unable to use the subway, you will definitely qualify for paratransit. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 22:32:01 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 26 21:34:48 2008. Actually, the MTA has disqualified people because they can climb bus stairs, or use the wheelchair ramp or lift (or because the person cannot make it to the application center---there is no longer a paper application). |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 22:36:37 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 22:32:01 2008. They can can deny trips within a persons home borough but provide other trips. Seems logical if a wheelchair person can take one city bus to get to the doctor. Access-A-Ride is too tied up as it is. They have buses in the 43xx range and cars in the 81xx range yet the 1xx and 2xxx series vans are still rolling around. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Jul 26 22:41:50 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. How about let's not.Build a rail line that connects SI to somewhere that can get us to the city quicker FIRST, and then there would be a reason to eliminate the SI express buses. Otherwise, you're not saying anything that wants to be heard. **And with those low ratings the SI routes got, it's no secret that Staten Islanders don't want to ride them but they're the quickest form of transport to/from Manhattan from most parts of Staten Island. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sat Jul 26 22:52:23 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:35:59 2008. Bxm3,11 and the QM1A. One Saturday morning I got on the 1A and had to stand. I have seen a decent amount of people on the QM2 on a Sat but its uncommon.I'm an advocate for express bus routes. I prefer taking one bus to get to the city instead of the Q30,43,46 to E (what's going on with the A/C's now? its hotter on the train then it is outside)/F or the Q79 to LIRR. I get a seat, I can sleep without worrying about someone jacking my stuff, hell I can even charge my iPod or phone if I get the right seat (I don't know if I'm supposed to do that though). But do we really need the X20? the QM23? the Bxm4A? With the latter can't we just call it an LTD cut some stops and give it to KB. Before I forget, does anyone know if the X32 is still getting scrapped? I really don't want to drive next year or take the train at 6 in the morning. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 23:10:05 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 22:36:37 2008. Actually, those vans are only still here because of a ridership explosion on paratransit. There must be at least 1500 paratransit vans...and thus vans are being held back from retirement. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jul 26 23:14:18 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sat Jul 26 20:34:08 2008. There's really no point in the GO 1A running on Union or having the Qm4.It keeps riders off of the overcrowded Q64 and (E) and (F) trains. And would it kill MTA restructure the QM3? I mean come on, running on Northern all the way to L. Neck. Add service because people up there will use it, Combine it with the X51 west of sanford and northern and run it out of CP. I agree, except it should really run out of Queens Village. Before anyone say the QM22 should be killed off, try an extension along Astoria Blvd into E. Elmhurst. I don't see much demand for express bus service along there. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 23:19:17 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 26 21:30:22 2008. Quill's roof space is already packed during the midday with SI Division and UP (although since NYCTA Queens Div. uses about 40-42 MCIs, they could be stored outside of the garage on the street).The problem would be MTA Bus. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jul 26 23:45:50 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 23:19:17 2008. The only place I can think of for MTA Bus is the ex-R&T garage in Jersey City. Provided that CUSA or whoever owns it would be willing to sell it to the MTA. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Jul 26 23:48:02 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:35:59 2008. How many people rode the BM2 when the L was knocked out every weekend. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sat Jul 26 23:52:29 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. 
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sat Jul 26 23:56:27 2008, in response to It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 13:10:32 2008. I have offered several feasible compromises in the past but express bus haters have their own agenda so I'm not even going to bother. |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Sun Jul 27 00:06:27 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 21:28:32 2008. IIRCC Express Buses were for the purposes of people who were out of reach from the Subway now the BXM11 needs to be eliminated |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jul 27 00:13:48 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Operator3319 on Sun Jul 27 00:06:27 2008. No it doesn't. The 2 train is slow in the Bronx and people should have the option of riding a faster and more comfortable form of transportation. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jul 27 00:15:49 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Jul 26 20:35:59 2008. BxM7,X1,QM1A. However, I will admit that most express routes don't need weekend service. Of course this wouldn't be enough of a compromise. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 27 00:37:25 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sat Jul 26 22:52:23 2008. The QM1A has crowded early buses into the city on weekends and then it is dead for the rest of the day. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 27 00:41:17 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 23:19:17 2008. Notice I talked about boiling down the SI buses. You will see it as part of the Azumah Plan very very soon. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 27 00:43:30 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jul 27 00:13:48 2008. I agree. People should have the option of riding the BxM11...for no subsidy. This line once ran without a subsidy, as did MOST express buses. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Jul 27 01:09:27 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Sat Jul 26 21:17:05 2008. The X1, X10 and X17 are all almost always filled with standees during and around rush hours.Those routes in fact, run far more frequently than their SI local route counterparts during rush hours. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Jul 27 01:10:50 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Jul 27 01:09:27 2008. The X1, X10 and X17 are all almost always filled with standees during and around rush hours and also during the more busier weekend hours. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jul 27 01:15:33 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Jul 27 00:43:30 2008. I agree entirely-Express buses should remain, PROVIDED that others do not have to subsidize them. |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Sun Jul 27 04:06:18 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jul 27 00:13:48 2008. i respect ur opinion but ummm the BXM11 runs directly under the 2 train so it is basically a waste and the train dosen't have to get on an expressway and sit in bumper to bumper traffic |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Jul 27 07:34:13 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 21:02:51 2008. Or the subway is accessible for them, but the elevators and escalators are so often out of order that the extra $ is worth it. |
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Posted by mci guy on Sun Jul 27 07:56:05 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 26 23:10:05 2008. as an aar driver what adam says is true. service has expanded greatly. many are only qualified for inter boro service if it is determined they can ride a bus. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 27 07:57:53 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jul 27 00:13:48 2008. However...how many people are riding the BxM11---or any express line---instead of the subway SOLELY because of the accessibility issue (those for whom the subway option is eliminated because stairs cannot be navigated, and the only reason for that is a physical disability)?There may be more than some may think (often a good deal of off-peak riders who have a hard time climbing even those stairs)...but it shouldn't be everyone on those buses. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 09:57:14 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Jul 26 22:41:50 2008. SI people don't want a subway everytime subways are brought up SI whine and cry, they dont want a direct link yet they want better service. If they dont want subway service its not worth giving them service that costs more to operate than its worth. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 09:58:27 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by vfrt on Sat Jul 26 18:51:58 2008. DAMN RIGHT! THEN TAKE THE FERRY AND LAUGH AT THE PEOPLE ON THE B.Q.E! |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 10:01:01 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sat Jul 26 22:52:23 2008. I dont think its dead with the budget not passing for the new bus improvements so I expect the X32 will be around... for now... but it will be eliminated in the future the MTA has made it clear the 32 has no future, the Q94 will replace it soon. |
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