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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 20 23:30:10 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 20:52:18 2008. In the early 90's, I had taken photos on Grand Central's platforms all the time. It was fun back then, as you never knew what you would see on the front with differently painted FL9's, etc. No one ever bothered you.Then I didn't do it for years...many years. 9/11 came and went. Back in 2003, not thinking about 9/11, but thinking of the fun I used to have there in the early 90's, took a few photos in the Concourse, and then went onto one of the platforms to take a photo....within SECONDS someone was right behind me telling me I couldn't do that. Not wanting to make a scene, I just said, "Oh Really?", and left. The photo wasn't worth the aggravation. And I had no idea whether it "was or wasn't" legal, but just know that it didn't take more than a few seconds for someone to come up to me. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Feb 20 23:35:23 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 21:50:57 2008. agreed |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Feb 20 23:36:38 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Feb 20 21:52:01 2008. he worked in control center??? |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP(PIG)— AGAIN! |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Feb 20 23:43:29 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. thanks, good luck and keep us updatedeven if it bothers everyone else |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 23:46:59 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Feb 20 23:22:14 2008. First and foremost, Nilet, what was the special photo op at GCT that you had to get a picture of? An M1A? M2? M3A? M4? M6? M7A? Shoreliner? Phoebe Snow Cars? Private Varnish?Irrelevant. And you could not go anywhere else on MNRR to get it? Why should he have to? Secondly, I was also on the ACMU Farewell Trip back in 2004. I remember the lunch stop at Grand Central Terminal. We were told before we arrived that you may photograph ONLY THE ACMU EXCURSION TRAIN!!! DO NOT PHOTOGRAPH ANY OTHER TRAINS ON ANY OTHER PLATFORMS!!! So what? Employees say a lot of things. I believe we were informed that it is not allowed on any of the platforms and the exception was for our special train. Saying it is now allowed is not the same as saying/knowing that it is actually prohibited by law/legal regulation. They were likely feeding us BS to save themselves from trouble. It was also told because they did not want anybody wandering around where you are not allowed or on trains that were sitting idle on adjacent tracks. I don't see how not taking photos would prevent either of those actions. Also, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just spoke to a friend of mine who is employed by MNRR. A higher up you can say. Anyway, he told me that photography IS INDEED ILLEGAL ON ANY PLATFORM OF GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL for the exception that you are escorted by Dan Bruckner-MNRR President. Ahaahahahahahahahhahahaahahha! Aahahahahahhahahahahaahhahaahah! Ahahaahahhahahahahaahahha! Aahahahhah. Aahha. ahah. ha. Um, no. What part of... THERE ARE NO RULES PROHIBITING THE PHOTOGRAPHY OF LONG ISLAND, METRO-NORTH OR STATEN ISLAND TRAINS AND/OR STATIONS. -- Kevin J. McConville, Chief of [MTA Police] Department...do you not understand? And what part does your apparently worthless higher-up not understand? And you actually trust this source? How much other BS has he fed you? Oh, and Dan Bruckner is not the MNRR President, lol lol lol lol. You really need to get your facts straight. Inside the terminal such as in the main concourse-they will not bother you. Also anywhere else on MNRR, they should not bother you. Bother? This isn't an issue of being bothered or not. People get bothered all the time while doing legal activities. The issue is where it is LEGAL OR NOT. And it is legal. Yes, they may come up to you and QUESTION you. But they SHOULD NOT bother you as long as you are not a distraction of operation or on another's property. But again, we still hear the stories. So now there's a well defined difference between "question" and "bother"? Nilet, I don't want to say this, but the MNRR Employees, MTAPD and Armed Forces were justified with what they were doing. No, they were not. You did not help the cause either by brushing them off or by saying it is legal when it is not. Right, he should have instead lied and said "yes, I am doing a bad thing and yes it is illegal, please stop me". Get real. The terrorists win every time you let the authorities walk all over you. If you showed the employees a printout of the photography rules, the outcome may have been a little different. WHAT?!?!? Now you're saying there's photography rules that could have helped him?! But you just said photography isn't allowed in GCT! So how could these rules have helped him then!? You are CON-FUSED. You are just asking for trouble every time you go out and take photos. No he's not. |
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Re: Another BS thread— AGAIN |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 20 23:54:42 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Sorry, but you just go looking for this kind of trouble. |
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ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:06:08 2008, in response to Re: Another BS thread— AGAIN, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 20 23:54:42 2008. Sorry, no he doesn't. He just wants to take legal photos and videos. |
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Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 21 00:08:19 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:06:08 2008. If it's happening to him, it'd be happening to lots and lots of other fans. He goes and looks for trouble. It doesn't keep happening. When was the last time a "cop robbed" you? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:11:58 2008, in response to Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 21 00:08:19 2008. He doesn't go looking for it, but it sure finds him. But that doesn't excuse or justify the stealing or the giving of bogus summonses. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 21 00:13:26 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:11:58 2008. Dunno what he does to get on the officers' bad side, then. Trouble doesn't just "find" particular individuals who don't invite it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:15:41 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 21 00:13:26 2008. Dunno what he does to get on the officers' bad side, then.I know you don't. That's obvious from your posts. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:16:52 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Just to let you know, there is a specific rule applying to Grand Central Terminal ONLY...and you cannot shoot trains there except maybe on your departure track.Here, I would have to side with the MTA Police. This is not an MTA system rule, just a terminal rule once you get into the actual track departure area...and a longstanding one at that. You could complain---but your chances of winning THIS one are almost none. In short, had this been ANY OTHER STATION on the Metro-North system, you may have had a case. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:19:28 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:16:52 2008. Check that. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:22:23 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. 1st off, bring your receipt and stub to court on your appointed date to show the judge. The tresspassing charge is the most important one to beat as it will set you up for the defence you may bring for the photograph issue. If you lose that one, it may set you up for a refusal of a direct order which he/she may believe.2nd. Stop mouthing off to the police. Whether you are right are wrong, you will always be wrong if you act like an asshole and shit on the police. You lost to them at their own game in front of too many believable witnesses. One of the biggest cheerleaders for photography right on this site will tell you to keep doing it, fight it blah blah blah, and then when he is cornered, says he doesn't have time to pursue it. So since no one here appears to back you, you should protect your own ass, "yes sir" the man and move on. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:23:37 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:16:52 2008. Just to let you know, there is a specific rule applying to Grand Central Terminal ONLY...and you cannot shoot trains there except maybe on your departure track.That is 100% false. Here, I would have to side with the MTA Police. This is not an MTA system rule, just a terminal rule once you get into the actual track departure area...and a longstanding one at that. Riiiiiiiight, because the terminal has its own rules that the MTA has no control over. Ok. You could complain---but your chances of winning THIS one are almost none. He'll win this instantly. I mean the dropping of the summons. n short, had this been ANY OTHER STATION on the Metro-North system, you may have had a case. Not true. Oh, and READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE POSTING. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:26:24 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:22:23 2008. You are incorrect. You should get your facts straight before you talk bad about someone. For shame. For. Shame. On. You. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:27:11 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. With all due respect...why does this happen (almost always) only to you? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:29:53 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:26:24 2008. So you wouldn't bring your receipts to get out of the tresspassing charge? Shame on you |
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Re: PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 00:43:35 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:27:11 2008. TIME TO REPEAT THIS MESSAGE: |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:45:10 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:29:53 2008. Don't be stupid. |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:47:47 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 23:46:59 2008. Terrapin Station: Why must you always have to be such a jackass to every person on this board? Do you really think that you know it all when it comes to where you can and where you can't photograph? Are you some type of lawyer or something? What they hell do you know? Do you have anything else better to do asides harrassing everybody in sight? Every time I read one of your posts, I get more and more fed up with you and your know at all attitude. Get a life and go far away.I think Bee Flex is completely correct on the issue. Why do you think the reserve is there? For show? Have you ever tried photographing at Grand Central or at Penn Station? And have you ever been in any altercation whatsoever? My guess is a no. Because you're perfect. And you never get into any altercations and you think you know every photography rule there is. This Nilet is not helping his cause either by getting into altercations. And this nonsense is all because he wanted a picture of some sort of train in Grand Central?! How many times has he been to Grand Central Terminal? Is it his 1st time there? There's got to be something special about whatever he saw that he had to get a photograph of? And don't you think rules can change? Is there any written proof from the MTA Police Department that you can photograph wherever you want at any place at any time? Why don't you try going to Grand Central Penn Station or any place and photograph every single train in there? Or are you a coward? And if you get stopped, do not come crying here. |
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Re:: Problems for excursions |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 00:52:36 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Feb 20 23:22:14 2008. So what the Metro-North cops wanted on the trip was to avoid foamers wandering off into the tunnel.Context: Metro-North understood that foamers, some of them suffering from Aspergers, Autism or generally poor social skills, would flock to this trip and they told the MTA police to corral these obsessives so, while enjoying their trip, they wouldn't male a nuisance of themselves on idled trains. Having watched what happened o the 9-9-2001 trip to 207 St yard, I can understand their caution. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:54:28 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:45:10 2008. Its your compliment, I took after you. Perform this simple homework assignment in the morning. Ride Metro North in the morning and bring your camera. Keep your receipts, take one picture of every track there. In fact if you don't feel lucky, since I live near VC Park, I can tag along, and even make a John Doe complaint to the police when you get there so you will guarantee an excellent interview with the MTA police. Tell them how legal it is to take pictures,, challenge them after they tell you to put it away and then you can file a class action with Mr. Nilet. You don't have the balls to do that, just balls to call names hiding behind that monitor and fornacating over Kansas and points north |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:55:47 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:11:58 2008. It is not bogus if it is illegal to photograph on the platforms in the Terminal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:57:22 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:47:47 2008. lol, prepare to be pwn3d, my seemingly dimwitted friend :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:59:43 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:47:47 2008. I post what I post because I know what I'm talking about. And when I make a mistake, I apologize. But I have no patience for people like you who post without knowing ANYTHING about that which they are talking about.OWNED |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:00:56 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:54:28 2008. Like I already said:You are incorrect. You should get your facts straight before you talk bad about someone. For shame. For. Shame. On. You. I wonder how many times you will keep posting incorrect information. Oh well. Just makes you look bad. Carry on. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:02:33 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:55:47 2008. Very good! Therefore...think hard now.....it...must...not...be...illegal...to... photograph on the platforms in the terminal... |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:04:01 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:54:28 2008. Thank you very much BLE. At least somebody here agrees with me. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:04:59 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:00:56 2008. I never talked bad ABOUT anybody. I gave advice to SOMEBODY. You are NO ONE addressed in the post, and chimed in anyway. So are you going to back up your photography issues by setting up for a class action, or no balls at all? |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:05:38 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:16:52 2008. Thank you as well. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:07:31 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:04:59 2008. Don't be stupid. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 01:08:14 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:05:38 2008. But no, there isntAdam was wrong, and as a credit to him, he admits it. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:08:24 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:07:31 2008. So whats the deal, you going to back up Nilet, or let him hang? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:09:04 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:08:24 2008. Are you done being stupid? |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 01:09:23 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:00:56 2008. His first piece of advice is certainly good-- Discredit the cop first!I may disagree with the second one, but it certainly is one way nilet could stay out of trouble. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:10:16 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:09:04 2008. Too bad for Nilet and anyone else who gets into hot water |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:10:29 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:47:47 2008. I apologize for going off the deep end with the last post but we have somebody here that thinks everything goes only his way or no way at all and will not try to go there to prove a point. If he thinks it was legal to take any photographs at Grand Central, then he can go down there and photograph anything that he wants. But if he gets stopped, then we will be the ones to say...We told you so. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:11:42 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 01:09:23 2008. Sorry, I should have been more clear. My reply wasn't referring to every word in his post. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 01:12:45 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:10:29 2008. But it IS COMPLETELY LEGAL TO TAKE PHOTOS FROM ANY PUBLICALLY ACCESSABLE AREA OF GRAND CENTRAL STATION. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:12:50 2008, in response to Brian will not back up his photographer friends, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:10:16 2008. Nope, you're not done being stupid. Let me know when you are, and when you are ready to drop the BS, and then maybe we can have a constructive conversation here. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:14:24 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:11:42 2008. Your apology is NOT accepted. Take the challenge, help out the cause, then get back to us. You might earn a credit point of admiration from me whether you want it or not if you do something other than chiming into a post I didn't direct at you before you called me stupid for no reason at all |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:14:39 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:10:29 2008. As I said, I post what I know. If it's only what I heard or think I heard, I note it as such. I already posted the proff that pwn3d you and your "off the deep end" posts. Are you just going to ignore it? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:15:52 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:14:24 2008. As I said, when you're done being stupid, maybe we can have a constructive conversation. But it doesn't look like you're done yet. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:19:40 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:15:52 2008. Then why did you apologize? For not realizing the tresspassing charges are more important to beat, for being a yenteh on a post directed at Nilet, or because you realized you are wrong and took the stupid pills yourself? |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:21:26 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:14:39 2008. I'm unable to access the link. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Feb 21 01:34:21 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:26:24 2008. 'You should get your facts straight before you talk bad about someone.'TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE!!!! |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Feb 21 01:35:46 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:00:56 2008. ' Just makes you look bad.'your postings do the same to you..... |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Feb 21 01:38:58 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:59:43 2008. The only reason that I can think of on why Nilet was stopped and was told that it is illegal for photos is because he may have been in an area where it was not open to the public. From the looks of the pics, the area was not open to the public at that given time they were taken. If the platform was open to the public at the time, then he may have had no problems with taking the photos. I still say that his approach to the employees and authorities was improper.As far as illegal photos at GCT, my higher up says you can't. And BTW: What you gave me is regarding LIRR except for the bottom part of the page which I could have used when I had my altercation on the 55 Ave Overpass. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Feb 21 01:44:54 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:59:43 2008. 'I post what I post because I know what I'm talking about.'sounds like an RCI that worked at Metropolitan Ave years ago He kept telling us that he carried papers with him proving that he wasn't crazy perhaps you carry similar papers? 'And when I make a mistake, I apologize.' heard that one, too 'But I have no patience for people like you' sounds like Hitler............... |
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