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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 30 18:56:48 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ? C-1 Photos, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 30 18:30:01 2017. I think they built one in Hillside, but could not get it certified. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Jun 30 19:19:15 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ? C-1 Photos, posted by R30A on Fri Jun 30 15:35:23 2017. $5 Krylon for your car doesn't fade like that. There must have been something interesting about that paint purchase. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jun 30 19:21:11 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ? C-1 Photos, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Jun 30 19:19:15 2017. or interesting about soap used in car wash ? |
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Posted by Train2104 on Fri Jun 30 21:53:49 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 30 17:47:36 2017. During the off season when diesel equipment is available, 613/664 is now a 7 car set. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 06:35:45 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Train2104 on Fri Jun 30 21:53:49 2017. I read on another chatboard that 3 MARC more cars were seen passing thru Secaucus hauled by a Amtrak Sprinter at 10:35pm Friday night. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 1 08:46:12 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 06:35:45 2017. sounds about right , 5 in use plus 3 makes for 8 contracted for this year. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:13:14 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 30 15:29:55 2017. Super! But did you notice that three cars were CAB cars and two were non-cab cars, and two DE power cars.Can we assume that the CAB cars are not functioning yet, therefore the need for two DE's? Do the MARC cars to exceed the weight of six C-3's? Ergo two DE's. Will the foamers ever see a MARC CAB car leading the way to Port Jeff? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 1 10:19:01 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:13:14 2017. MARC has prohibited modifications to cab car cab/atc system. so they will never lead on LIRR.the DE/DM do not have weight limitation but a 6 car C-3 HEP limitation . |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:56:22 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 30 15:29:55 2017. What other Commuter lines in the US use the Sumitomo/ Nippon Sharyo "MARC II" type cars?The only single levels that MARC has in service these days are the Sumitomo-built "MARC II" cars. The Sumitomos date from the late 80s, when most of the other northeast commuter roads were picking up Bombardier-built cars like NJTs Comets. The MARC IIs are actually quite similar in many respects. MARC has: - (50) Kawasaki MARC III Bi-Levels Coaches: (33) Standard (T) Cars (7) Cars w/snack bar (10) Cab Cars - (13) Kawasaki Bi-Level Coaches (ex-VRE): (9) Standard (T) coaches (4) Cab Cars - (60) Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo MARC II Single Level Coaches and Cab Cars (26) MARC IIA (rebuilt a number of years ago) (34) MARC IIB (currently being rebuilt by Bombardier) - (12) Pullman Bi-Level Gallery Coaches (70's era refurbished, ex-Metra) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:56:22 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 30 15:29:55 2017. What other Commuter lines in the US use the Sumitomo/ Nippon Sharyo "MARC II" type cars?The only single levels that MARC has in service these days are the Sumitomo-built "MARC II" cars. The Sumitomos date from the late 80s, when most of the other northeast commuter roads were picking up Bombardier-built cars like NJTs Comets. The MARC IIs are actually quite similar in many respects. MARC has: - (50) Kawasaki MARC III Bi-Levels Coaches: (33) Standard (T) Cars (7) Cars w/snack bar (10) Cab Cars - (13) Kawasaki Bi-Level Coaches (ex-VRE): (9) Standard (T) coaches (4) Cab Cars - (60) Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo MARC II Single Level Coaches and Cab Cars (26) MARC IIA (rebuilt a number of years ago) (34) MARC IIB (currently being rebuilt by Bombardier) - (12) Pullman Bi-Level Gallery Coaches (70's era refurbished, ex-Metra) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 11:31:19 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:56:22 2017. South Shore Line has a bunch (68), most are EMU, but I believe 10 are unpowered trailers. They are considered pretty close. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 12:20:30 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 1 10:19:01 2017. I'm just curious, could an MTA owened Comet V be modified so as to be used to lead the MARC cars?I believed they are in use on the Port Jervis Line. Does NJT have any Comet type Cab Cars, still waiting Triage as a result of "Sandy"? 
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 1 12:23:35 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 12:20:30 2017. could !! yes, but again LIRR uses 5 aspect cab signal while rest of cab/atc community uses 4 aspect. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 1 12:24:29 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:56:22 2017. non as for answer on other railroads. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 1 12:25:14 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 11:31:19 2017. pretty close does not count, no other Sumitomo push/pulls |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:14:21 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:13:14 2017. Will the foamers ever see a MARC CAB car leading the way to Port Jeff?Nope, besides what dutchrailnut revealed, and as stated in the railroad.net thread, the cab cars have restrooms. That's why cab cars were sent. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 1 13:17:49 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 12:20:30 2017. Does NJT have any Comet type Cab Cars, still waiting Triage as a result of "Sandy"?NJT has no "triage" for the cars they let drown during Sandy. They've practically written them off. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:19:48 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:56:22 2017. 
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 13:25:39 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 12:20:30 2017. And would that be in line of the modifications that were first thought to be possible when"LIRR plans to modify cab cars to operate on the head end, adding 8 cars to service in the first year and increasing the number of cars to be leased to a maximum of twenty one in option years 2018 and 2019. MTA will provide training to LIRR train operators, maintenance personnel as well as to a LIRR Trainer in order to ensure proper operation, maintenance and troubleshooting practices are followed and ordinary repairs are performed responsibly." Just one more thought, could a single, C-3 Cab car be the lead for the MARC's coaches, with minimal modifications? If spare C-3 Cabs were available? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 13:27:55 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:19:48 2017. Sort of, but are they still in service? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:38:23 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 13:27:55 2017. Sort of, but are they still in service?I'm sure they are. They are MU electric (CSS&SB), as opposed to push-pull diesel (MARC). |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:50:58 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 13:25:39 2017. Just one more thought, could a single, C-3 Cab car be the lead for the MARC's coaches, with minimal modifications?If spare C-3 Cabs were available? Did you read the ongoing thread on railroad.net ? Answers to your questions might be there. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 16:10:50 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:14:21 2017. And all along I thought they were to be modified so as to be compatible to work with the DE/DM units. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 16:12:08 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:38:23 2017. Far to much optional equipment. |
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Posted by Merrick1 on Sat Jul 1 16:30:48 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 11:31:19 2017. Those trailer cars have pantographs for power for lights, heat, air conditioning, etc. They can't take head end power through a trainline. There is no way to operate them other than with the EMUs. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 16:41:12 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 13:50:58 2017. Ah ha. I just finished the railroad.net thread.Very informative. The same questions and misunderstandings I had. Thanks for the direction. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 17:00:18 2017, in response to MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 21 15:28:00 2017. So, then will the other shoe drop in year 4?When the MARC, Bi-level rehab finishes, will the LIRR seek to acquire permanently these single level cars, if MARC declares them to be surplus? Or will MARC keep them for rentals? From all of the revenue video's, they appear to be well kept and have a pleasing internal ambiance. I'll bet there is a lot of platform re-positioning by the passengers to line up with the different door locations. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 17:17:47 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Merrick1 on Sat Jul 1 16:30:48 2017. Absolutely. That would be pretty reasonable. I was never suggesting them (either the powered EMU or trailer cars) as being the equal of a purpose built push-pull, just pointing out their existence and similarity to the Marc cars since I was unsure of how specific an answer the original poster was seeking. The amount of time and money to repurpose them makes it highly unlikley that they have any future when they retire. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 17:31:48 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 17:17:47 2017. There have been conversions in the past.The first to come to mind is the AMFLEET cars that had their Pants remove, and converted to push-pull mode. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 17:49:44 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 17:31:48 2017. I assume you mean the metroliners, some of them live on to this day as cab cars on amfleet equipped trains. It just gets less and less likely with the passing of time, and the changes in the way commuter cars are purchased and financed. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 1 19:07:21 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 17:00:18 2017. Those cars really get around, could probably book a year-round schedule. Spend summers on Long Island, Thanksgiving on the NEC, maybe winters on SEPTA, with a brief tour back home in the spring! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 1 19:18:11 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 17:49:44 2017. They'd make great tourist RR cars if depowered. And actually, considering they use (relatively) simple 15kv overhead, electrifying said tourist RR shouldn't be dismissed out of hat, especially if it's short. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 19:52:09 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 06:35:45 2017. They seem to like 11pm deliveries.Too bad that 5:47 to Port Jeff had just 5 cars. That could not have been enough. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 19:57:16 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 17:00:18 2017. When the MARC, Bi-level rehab finishes, will the LIRR seek to acquire permanently these single level cars, if MARC declares them to be surplus?Not likely. If the LIRR gets their hands on some cash, C-5 bi-level coaches would be most likely. MARC's making money leasing these coaches. Amtrak, SEPTA and now LIRR. They would be fools to sell them off. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:00:31 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 12:20:30 2017. MN needs their Comet V for the Port Jervis line. They simply are not available. Still gotta put LIRR's ASC in themThe MARC cars are Amtrak NEC-certified with ASCES et al. LIRR cannot at this time go and disrupt that. LIRR got their cab cars because they'll take whatever MARC says, and LIRR needs bathrooms on 50% of its cars. I notice MARC has several Brunswick line trains with NJT-style MLV's and a Sumitomo trailer next to the engine. So maybe they have excess cab cars. The Comet 3's have been idle by 6 or 7 years. Then they got flood damaged. They needed a mid-life overhaul anyway. I just don't see anyone willing to spend $1 mil per car to fix them. I expect that after the bank lien term runs out, they'll quietly cut them up. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:05:32 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 16:10:50 2017. They adapted the MU cable in some way shape or form. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:07:33 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 10:56:22 2017. The NICTD MU cars have the same body, most with center door.I had thought they sent all the Metra gallery cars back to Chicago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:08:47 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 13:27:55 2017. Of course. They also have 12 or 14 Gallery MU's, similar to what Metra Electric has. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:09:28 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jul 1 11:31:19 2017. Those 10 trailers lack center doors. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:10:17 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Merrick1 on Sat Jul 1 16:30:48 2017. They are sort of like the M-8 trailers ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:11:46 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jul 1 17:31:48 2017. 18 cab cars, and 5 straight coaches, funded by Michigan for Amtrak service. Those 5 cars have been scrapped. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 20:26:52 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 1 19:57:16 2017. LIRR should have gotten some MLV's after MARC got theirs and do whatever customizations they needed.I don't seen anyone bidding on 20 or so C-5 cars if that were to happen. Too small an order. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 2 09:45:54 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 1 19:07:21 2017. Boomers. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Wed Jul 5 11:04:05 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 1 19:52:09 2017. There was plenty of room onboard, given the fact that it was a light ridership day for ordinary commuter service. There was even a hot car, making the train essentially 4 cars.Starting 7/3 the set is now 7 cars long. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 5 17:47:33 2017, in response to Re: MARC cars to LIRR ?, posted by Train2104 on Wed Jul 5 11:04:05 2017. They have a spare 8th car. |
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