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Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010

Williamsburg expansion scares subway riders

Straphangers at Williamsburg’s Bedford Avenue L stop often have to let two or three overcrowded trains pass by before one arrives with enough room to board during the morning rush. Some even ride deeper into Brooklyn just to squeeze into a Manhattan-bound train.

Passengers now face another 1,100 riders each morning at the teeming station, expected to arrive with a $1.4 billion 2,200-apartment development at the 11.2-acre waterfront Domino Sugar factory.

“It’s only going to get worse,” area City Councilman Steve Levin said at a recent hearing on the project, noting the strain from other high-rises going up on the waterfront, including the Edge and Northside Piers.

Groups opposing the buildings want its developer — Community Preservation Corporation Resources — to shrink the project. Some want it to pay for a shuttle bus into Manhattan.

CPC Resources’ Susan Pollock said they’re exploring possible ferry service at the site. Plus, she emphasized, Domino would be built over 10 years.

Bedford statistics

- Bedford L overcrowding: 6.8 million weekday riders

- 4th busiest stop in Brooklyn

- Busiest stop serving a single subway line in Brooklyn

- 8th busiest single line station citywide, after four No. 6 stops, a No. 1 stop in Manhattan and two No. 7 stations in Queens

- Least chance of a seat among lines — ranked by the Straphangers Campaign
Source: http://www.metro.us/us/article/2010/06/24/06/1857-82/index.xml

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:59:27 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

forgot the D on the title,,,

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Jun 24 04:23:07 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:59:27 2010.

That's not all you forgot.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Alargule on Thu Jun 24 04:50:32 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Jun 24 04:23:07 2010.

Don't worey about it.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 04:57:31 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

And you wonder why the M/V Combo is so important. The new M train will likely take some of the strain off the L.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by insidetransitcom on Thu Jun 24 05:18:08 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

at least L has wide train - come on my 7 sometime

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 24 05:22:02 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

Hopefully the orange M will take some of the stress off that line.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 24 05:31:01 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Jun 24 04:23:07 2010.

LOL!

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jun 24 06:13:07 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

Time to add more trains. They should reinstate the service where every other train only goes as far as Myrtle and then turns around, allowing at least some passengers from Myrtle to Bedford to get seats.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by monorail on Thu Jun 24 06:40:26 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by insidetransitcom on Thu Jun 24 05:18:08 2010.

'come on my 7 sometime'


only during the warm months when the women wear skimpy outfits.....

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Doctor B on Thu Jun 24 06:59:06 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jun 24 06:13:07 2010.

I've put up with it for years at Ely Avenue on the E and V/J on the 7.

Want more room on the train? Ban the giant hipster backpacks where one person takes the space of three people.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 24 07:41:23 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jun 24 06:13:07 2010.

Time to bring back the BMT standards. They had lots and lots of room.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 07:51:34 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jun 24 06:13:07 2010.

Actually, what they need to do is re-build the tracks to the unused platform at Atlantic Avenue and set it up so some L trains can terminate there, also allowing for in the future being able to have a Broadway Brooklyn line run to Rockaway Parkway and have the L terminate at Atlantic Avenue, at least during rush hours where it can better service the more intensely traveled portion of the line.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jun 24 08:17:03 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 07:51:34 2010.

Actually, what they need to do is re-build the tracks to the unused platform at Atlantic Avenue and set it up so some L trains can terminate there, also allowing for in the future being able to have a Broadway Brooklyn line run to Rockaway Parkway and have the L terminate at Atlantic Avenue, at least during rush hours where it can better service the more intensely traveled portion of the line.

Actually , all they need to do is short turn trains at Myrtle Ave. like they did years ago.

Bill Newkirk



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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 08:38:37 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jun 24 08:17:03 2010.

Except by doing that, you are missing a MAJOR transfer point at Broadway Junction. That is why I would rather have the L short-terminate at Atlantic Avenue as opposed to Myrtle Avenue.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jun 24 08:51:47 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 08:38:37 2010.

Except by doing that, you are missing a MAJOR transfer point at Broadway Junction. That is why I would rather have the L short-terminate at Atlantic Avenue as opposed to Myrtle Avenue.

You're obviously missing my point. By short turning trains in the AM rush hour at Myrtle Ave, trains start out empty and after eight stops later at Bedford Ave, passengers will be able to board the trains.

Right now the trains are packed by the time they reach Bedford Ave, short turning trains at Myrtie Ave should solve this.

Spending millions of dollars the MTA doesn't have to reactivate tracks and platform at Atlantic Ave. won't solve this. After Atlantic Ave. that's 13 stops to Bedford Ave. as opposed to 8 stops from Myrtle Ave.

Your only response to this is that you agree with me and nothing else.

Bill Newkirk


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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Jun 24 09:03:14 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

With the current economy, it will be years before all of those units are sold.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:09:14 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

This is why I NEVER take the L during morning rush. If I absolutely HAVE to, I will board a Canarsie bound train and take it to Lorimer to double back, or get there via the G, because Manhattan-bound L's at Bedford are IMPOSSIBLE to board at between 7:30-9:30am unless you can push yourself to the edge of the platform and position yourself right in front of a door.

Not to mention the fact that the entire bike parking lot outside Bedford is filled to capacity by 6:30am.

God I hate fucking hipsters. What are they even doing up so early - do they actually go to their day jobs dressed like that???

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:13:59 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Jun 24 06:13:07 2010.

Time to add more trains. They should reinstate the service where every other train only goes as far as Myrtle and then turns around, allowing at least some passengers from Myrtle to Bedford to get seats.

Where've you been? They've been short turning every other L at Myrtle during AM/PM rush ever since they finished the signaling project.

The PROBLEM with the L line is that 8 Av is a very ineffective terminal for the level of service they are trying to run. What they really need to do is tunnel another block over, so that trains can enter 8 Av at full speed. L's get backed up as far as Graham Ave sometimes, so that it can actually take 20-30 min to go from Bedford to Union Square because they have to wait at every station, and sometimes under the river, for congestion to clear up, which is the second reason I try to avoid the L whenever possible in the morning.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:17:56 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Doctor B on Thu Jun 24 06:59:06 2010.

I've put up with it for years at Ely Avenue on the E and V/J on the 7.

Actually I NEVER seem to have problems boardin the 7 at Court Square. There must be a ton of people who transfer to the N/W at Queensboro Plaza.

As for the E/V.....E's are often filled to capacity there, but I can ALWAYS get on the V. People back away from that train as if it's gonna give them AIDS. Ride the V to 53/5 Ave, and wait for the E behind it (which loses about half its capacity when stopping at 53/Lex, as if riders don't seem to realize that the V stops there too!). It'll be interesting to see if riders will actually board the M there.....

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by monorail on Thu Jun 24 12:18:45 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:09:14 2010.


'God I hate fucking hipsters'


how do you like them when they aren't 'fucking'?

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 13:40:43 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

At 8 AM that station is a madhouse. It resembles a Tokyo Metro staton.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:01:31 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 24 05:22:02 2010.

Yup. The Midtown M came just in time.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:02:46 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 07:51:34 2010.

The extra service is really only needed from Myrtle and west. Myrtle Ave can turn trains, it used to.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:03:41 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 08:38:37 2010.

They don't need the "major" transfer point. The extra service is needed WEST of Myrtle. Those people don't need the transfer at Broadway Junction.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:04:34 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:13:59 2010.

Didn't they used to run much more service in the far off past? 8th Ave handled it then.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:05:16 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 24 04:57:31 2010.

It most surely will.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:06:29 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 13:40:43 2010.

It was at Bedford Ave that I noticed that "something" was happening along the L train back in the 1990's. That station used to be a ghost town when I was a kid. All of a sudden in the late 90's more and more people began getting on there. Gentrification was in swing.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:07:01 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Jun 24 09:03:14 2010.

It will take years to build, so it will work out.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:13:11 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:06:29 2010.

Yea that's when the real estate people were calling it an "Up & coming neighborhood." i.e. Here come whitey as opposed to "The neighborhood is changin'" i.e. There goes whitey. LMAO

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:26:17 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:13:11 2010.

Okay, that was hilarious.

Well, I remember back in the early 2000's, it began on the Broadway El too. I did a double take one day on the J train when a bunch of blond haired blue eyed girls got on the train at the Kosciuszko St station. It was something that didn't happen back then. I didn't realize that gentrification had begun there, but that was the beginning. Now you wouldn't even flinch an eye along Broadway...but in 2001, that was a very rare site. In fact, just about nonexistent.
Now it's normalcy.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:32:19 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:26:17 2010.

True It really is funny. They look like they are from another planet.
I remember one night a few years ago I was riding the #3 to Atlantic (WHere most of us whities get off) adn this blond bed head type asked me if the train went to Utica? I said yes. He told us he was going to stay at the new Howard Johnson's On Utica near E NY Avenue. I laughed and said good luck. LOL.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:34:01 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:26:17 2010.

The only blonds on Bway in JUly 1977 (blackout) were firemen and policemen LOL.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:34:06 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:26:17 2010.

The only blonds on Bway in JUly 1977 (blackout) were firemen and policemen LOL.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:35:08 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:32:19 2010.

The crazy thing is, the same thing happened in Bushwick. I remember when it was announced in the early 2000's that a hotel was bing built upstairs at the Halsey St station on Wyckoff Ave. There was a whole thread about it here, and how hilarious that was.
It's not "funny" anymore....as the neighborhood wave of gentrification has slowly trickled there and caught up with it. They did their market research.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:40:07 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:35:08 2010.

Wow if I knew about that hotel, I would have gone over there. I love hot sheet hotels. LOL

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Eric B on Thu Jun 24 20:33:23 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:13:59 2010.

What they really should do that wouldn't even cost that much is just tie in the other end of the spur track on the 6th Ave. end, so that trains could drop out at 6th Ave, and head back without having to go to 8th Ave. at all. Trains are usually stuck waiting at 6th anyway, so that time could be used to clean them out.
You couls specify a ‹L› service that only runs from Myrtle to 6th.

I sent in the suggestion, and they rejected it based on not wanting to add platform conductors!

I also sent in an idea to add a dropoff platform to track 3 at Canarsie, which is the first yard track. The platform would lead right out to where the B42 is. There is space where the fense between 2 and 3 is. They would only have to upgrade the signals to mainline standards. They rejected this too.

I also think the Myrtle dropouts might be better suited at Bway Jct, because there are a lot of people going the other way transferring to the A,C,J; and instead of having to clean it out and relay, you just close down, open the other side, and go back out from that same track, over the switch.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Jun 24 20:40:45 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:13:59 2010.

Totally agreed about 8th av.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 21:26:51 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:13:11 2010.

Once upon a time you wouldn't see any Caucasian people on a BMT East line. That's no longer the case.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by monorail on Thu Jun 24 21:29:03 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 21:26:51 2010.

'Once upon a time you wouldn't see any Caucasian people on a BMT East line.'

when was this, I've been in Ridgewood for 53 years, riding the M, MJ, K, KK, L, LL.......

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jun 24 21:33:21 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

Bedford statistics

- Bedford L overcrowding: 6.8 million weekday riders

- 4th busiest stop in Brooklyn

- Busiest stop serving a single subway line in Brooklyn

- 8th busiest single line station citywide, after four No. 6 stops, a No. 1 stop in Manhattan and two No. 7 stations in Queens


...And one of the PLUG UGLIEST in the entire system. Grime and filth everywhere, peeling paint, white tile falling off the wall, rust stains, water leaks &c. Even the original tile colors are BHLECCCHHH.

-w-




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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 24 21:55:57 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 21:26:51 2010.

I don't know Caucasian people when I see them.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 21:58:14 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 21:26:51 2010.

Once upon a time you wouldn't see any Caucasian people on a BMT East line. That's no longer the case.


That was never the case, and I rode the line from the early 70's to the mid 90's regularly.

It was always fed partly by the M line north of Wyckoff, and that line was almost 100% white until the 90's.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 21:59:46 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 21:58:14 2010.

Oh wait, you are talking about all the Eastern Div lines, not just the L, that's even more absurd.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 22:00:13 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 24 21:55:57 2010.

And even if he means "white" people, he's WAY off base on his statement.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 22:01:26 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 22:00:13 2010.

I was referring to the heart of Bushwick and East New York, not a small pocket in Middle Village (and even those people weren't too enthusiastic about the M).

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 24 22:03:54 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 21:58:14 2010.

A lot of Hispanic people have been riding the (M) as long as I can remember.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 22:04:01 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 21:59:46 2010.

Yesterday I had to go to the Fedex Depot by E105 St. I took a wrong turn and ended up having to follow the tracks to New Lots Ave to return. After that super ghetto alley I had to walk down, I went into the station house, where every single person on the platform was white (including a TSS who was hanging out there for some reason). It was very confusing.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 22:05:28 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jun 24 22:01:26 2010.

Small pocket of Middle Village?
Fresh Pond, Forest, Seneca, and North of Wyckoff was abotu 100% white until the early 90's. In the early 90's, some Hispanics moved in, but by the 2000's, Polish began to take over. There's a small pocket of Chinese near Seneca, but it's so small it's barely noticable.
There's few Blacks north of Wyckoff, even today. I don't know what you are talking about, as "once upon a time you never saw a white person on a BMT East line, is utterly false". Again, the M north of Wyckoff was always, and still is mostly white, and that always fed the L line.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 22:08:08 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 22:04:01 2010.

In the case of East 105th, that most definitely was once almost 100% non white.....

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