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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 22:09:57 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 24 22:03:54 2010.

And until the early 90's, just about every one of them got off by Knickerbocker, and if not, by Wyckoff. Rarely did you see Hispanic people at Seneca, Forest, Fresh Pond, or Metro until about 1992 or so.
That peaked probably in the late 90's, as Polish began to take over during the 2000's, although Hispanics still have a presence in Ridgewood.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 24 22:37:41 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:13:59 2010.

Personally, I would like to see them extend the L up 9th Avenue to a new three-track terminal with tail tracks. This way, the L can run more trains per hour, better serve West Midtown and riders headed for that area can stay on the L to their final destination.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Jun 24 23:00:18 2010, in response to Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 03:57:09 2010.

I lived on N.9th and Bedford from 1992 (when we moved from Clinton Hill due to high rents) til Nov 08 when we moved on to the East Vinyl Siding section of Greenpoint up Nassau.

Even in the early oughts the L was getting nuts. We said so at some of the Community Board meetings and during the Engine 212 rallys. The L couldnt handle it, especially if the hoards got on further back on the line. Northside is like the East Village in the 80's and 90's. Yes, you are right, the hipsters are mondo annoying and entitled, etc.

When we thought we beat the waste recycling and power plant on the waterfront, we all were joyful at actually getting a waterfront park until we realized it felt too easy. Next thing you know, the zoning got changed and now there's giant azz condos built over the BEDT yards, flame cut steel site, the tour bus garage, etc.

check diehipsters.com for amusement.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 23:24:25 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 19:01:31 2010.

What if it doesnt work?

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jun 25 02:03:55 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Alargule on Thu Jun 24 04:50:32 2010.

Don't worey, be hap, guy.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jun 25 02:06:04 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:13:59 2010.

In ATO, the train can enter Eighth Avenue at a damn good speed.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 25 07:54:37 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jun 24 21:33:21 2010.

Eeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 25 07:56:10 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jun 24 21:33:21 2010.

Bedford has been a popular station for going on 20 years now....I am surprised it was never put into a renovation plan in that time.

I always liked the shape of the B monograms.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 25 08:02:31 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 25 07:54:37 2010.

From NYCsubway.org.... Bedford hasn't changed much, even the color of the pillars are the same from 20 years ago....
It is one of the dingier stations on the L line, followed only by perhaps Wilson Ave lower, and 6th Ave in my opinion.



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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 25 08:05:28 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 25 08:02:31 2010.

I mean the photo is from nycsubway.org, the comments are mine.
I reread that and I may not have been clear in how I posted that.

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 25 08:19:15 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by Eric B on Thu Jun 24 20:33:23 2010.

On the 6 Avenue one---the platform conductor would come from displaced conductors---HELLO!

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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 25 10:59:00 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 25 08:19:15 2010.

On the 6 Avenue one---the platform conductor would come from displaced conductors---HELLO!

Considering they are BEGGING C/R's for overtime says that cant happen.


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Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 25 11:00:23 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jun 24 09:13:59 2010.

They've been short turning every other L at Myrtle during AM/PM rush ever since they finished the signaling project.

Actually they arent done with the signaling project they just finished a part of it..


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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jun 25 15:19:30 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jun 24 23:24:25 2010.

Would some riders backtrack to Myrtle to take the 6th ave M?

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jun 25 15:29:05 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jun 24 19:40:07 2010.

I saw a "caucasian" lady walking through Hollis a couple of weeks ago from the grocery store I was like 0_0

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jun 25 15:33:29 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jun 25 15:19:30 2010.

I doubt that, especially considering that they would have to go up escalators. It would be easier to reach midtown via the subway lines at Union Square or 6th Avenue.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by rbseabeach on Fri Jun 25 16:40:57 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jun 25 15:29:05 2010.

Maybe she was a cleaning lady? LOL

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 25 23:37:41 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jun 25 15:19:30 2010.

No.
It;s safe to say little or no L riders will transfer to the M with or without the new M pattern. Were the help comes in for the L train is that less people will abandon the M train at Wyckoff to take the L instead.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jun 26 00:20:42 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 25 08:05:28 2010.

the contrast of the shiny NTT cars and the station is nice.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Jun 27 00:28:16 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jun 25 15:19:30 2010.

Railfans would, well some.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 02:16:17 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by monorail on Thu Jun 24 21:29:03 2010.

I think he meant the bulk of some of the Eastern Division lines.

Now of course, things have changed quite a bit as gentrification continues to spread.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 02:17:40 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 22:05:28 2010.

Exactly:

That was never completely true on the eastern division lines.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Sun Jun 27 05:15:37 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 21:58:14 2010.

There have always been White people on every Eastern Division line. Besides the (M), the (J)had White customers heading to Woodhaven and the (L) had many white customers heading for Canarsie. Both neighborhoods were very into the '90s.

What is true is that outside of rush-hour you never/rarely would see white people on many lines particularly the (C) and the Brooklyn IRT. But during peak hours you would always see white customers on every line.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 27 08:06:55 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Sun Jun 27 05:15:37 2010.

There have always been White people on every Eastern Division line. Besides the (M), the (J)had White customers heading to Woodhaven and the (L) had many white customers heading for Canarsie. Both neighborhoods were very into the '90s

Of course. That's why that statement was ridiculous. I only defended the M, but of course, the other ones also never were non-white. The M one had me laugh the most, because north of Wyckoff, the train was just about 100% white right into the 90's, and even only then it only got a splashing of Hispanic.
The L line was fed from that northern end of the M at Myrtle/Wyckoff, and of course already had whites from Canarsie. The J was more mixed for it's whole length, but that's because the "white Neighborhood" was from about Forest parkway to 121st St.

To say any of them "had no whites" at one point is hilarious.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 27 08:10:02 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 02:16:17 2010.

But that isn't what he said. And that isn't true either even if that is what he meant.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jun 27 09:34:27 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Sun Jun 27 05:15:37 2010.

What is true is that outside of rush-hour you never/rarely would see white people on many lines particularly the (C) and the Brooklyn IRT

Ride the J train on Saturday Nights it will surprise you...

Pay Attention from Halsey Street towards Manhattan..

;o)

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Re: L West of 8th Avenue

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 10:37:37 2010, in response to Re: Bedford Av (L) stop - going to get real worse, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 24 22:37:41 2010.

I have suggested 10th/Amsterdam Avenue myself for an extended L train that would include a peak-direction express on 10th avenue, with the following stops:

23rd Street (three tracks, two island platforms), can be used as a short-turn terminal, exits at 21st and 23rd streets.

33rd Street (local only on side platforms), exits at 31st and 33rd streets.

41st Street (three tracks, two island platforms), transfer to 7 if 10th Avenue station is built there, exits at 41st, 42nd and 43rd streets.

50th Street (local only on side platforms), exits at 48th and 50th streets.

57th Street (local only on side platforms), exits at 55th and 57th streets.

65th Street (local only on side platforms), exits at 64th, 65th and 66th streets.

72nd Street (three tracks, two island platforms), transfer to 1/2/3 and terminal for such a line, exits above the 1 platform at 72nd street/Broadway and a standalone exit at 75th Street.

The exits would be set up for eight-car trains, however, platforms would be for 10-12 cars in case the Eastern Division platforms are ever expanded.

If there were to be a later extension, I would be looking at these for additional stops:

86th Street (local only on side platforms), exits at 84th and 86th streets.

96th Street (three tracks, two island platforms), possible transfer to 1/2/3 via the now-closed underpass of the 96th-Broadway station, exits at 96th and 98th streets.

Cathedral Parkway (110th Street, local only on side platforms), exits at 108th and 110th streets.

116th Street-Columbia University (three tracks, two island platforms), possible terminal for the line and at least a short-turn terminal for peak-direction trains.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 10:57:42 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 24 22:08:08 2010.

But also shows how much even that area is changing.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 27 11:41:53 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 10:57:42 2010.

Yup. No one denies there were some totally non white areas that the J went through (Broadway), the M (Myrtle between Knickerbocker and Broadway), the L on some segments, and those have become a lot "whiter" over the recent years. The only criticism is was against that all the Eastern lines were "totally non white", and that couldn't be further from t he truth, the entire end of the M from Wyckoff to Metro was just abotu 100% white right into the 90's. The same with some stretches in between on the J.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jun 27 14:29:28 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jun 27 09:34:27 2010.

"Ride the J train on Saturday Nights it will surprise you...

Pay Attention from Halsey Street towards Manhattan..

;o)"

The J is definitely never short of surprises, that's for sure, like how you LEFT the J!!! That is a surprise!! :-D

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 27 15:17:42 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jun 27 14:29:28 2010.

There are a bunch of hipster bars and stuff by Myrtle-Bway (Market Hotel), and near Kosciuszko (Goodbye Blue Monday), and other places like that that attract a lot of white hipsters even from other areas.
This is a sight you probably wouldn't have even seen 6 or 7 years ago.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 27 15:35:27 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 25 07:56:10 2010.

My rehab plan for this station's trackside walls is to put up white panel tile like was done at Union Square (L), with the same light green border, then to turn the muriatic acid crew loose on the frieze, stand back and watch it shine. Once all the schmutz is gone, then it's touch-up time: using tile enamel (available at Pearl Paint, Canal Street, 3rd floor), randomly color some of the ceneter squares, oblongs and triangles (currently various shades of beige), Sea foam green, Kelly green, Hunter green, dark brown and light yellow. Leave about half of the tiles beige, but add additional complementary colors to it.

wayne

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sun Jun 27 18:17:07 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jun 25 15:19:30 2010.

Would some riders backtrack to Myrtle to take the 6th ave M?

Not from Bedford, I wouldn't. However, if I want 6 Av I would do the G to the V....err.....G to M via 23/Ely. Man that sounds weird.

On the other hand, the B62 to the M at Marcy Ave sounds a bit more inviting now....hmm. Wonder if that would get me to W4 faster than the L or E/V (dammit, E/M) via 23/Ely?

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sun Jun 27 18:19:29 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 27 15:17:42 2010.

There are a bunch of hipster bars and stuff by Myrtle-Bway (Market Hotel), and near Kosciuszko (Goodbye Blue Monday), and other places like that that attract a lot of white hipsters even from other areas.

OMFG. I've been in Goodbye Blue Monday. If you want to know what a hipster is, go in there. I don't think they carry any beer OTHER than PBR or Old Speckled Hen.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 27 19:56:51 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jun 24 21:33:21 2010.

I still remember a pair of direction signs at Bedford Ave. The one pointing to the Manhattan-bound track said simply, "To Manhattan" while the Canarsie-bound track had a, "To East New York and Canarsie" sign.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 27 19:57:26 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 27 15:35:27 2010.

Time to call in the greatest tilers that ever tiled a tile.:)

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 27 21:50:55 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 27 19:57:26 2010.

They'll only wind up painting each other...

-w-

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Re: L West of 8th Avenue

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 27 21:53:19 2010, in response to Re: L West of 8th Avenue, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 10:37:37 2010.

Keep it going to 125th at least, so it can tie in with the future 125th St crosstown line.

-wayne


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Re: L West of 8th Avenue

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 27 23:35:21 2010, in response to Re: L West of 8th Avenue, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 27 21:53:19 2010.

I thought of that, though because of the Manhattan Valley it would either likely have to be cut-and-cover or an elevated line from 116 to 125. If I were able to get it to 125, I would then actually try to get it to 163 or so to give it a connection to the C there.

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 28 08:01:01 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jun 27 21:50:55 2010.

You sure look funny in ochre.

(splat) Be quiet!

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Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 28 08:24:18 2010, in response to Re: Beford Av (L) stop - going to get real wore, posted by monorail on Thu Jun 24 06:40:26 2010.

That's when I like to ride the lower level of the double deckers.

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