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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 19:06:38 2010, in response to Olog-hai cheers when pigs kill minorities, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 18:37:46 2010.

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You confessing to something . . . ?

Nah; you're not smart enough. You had better get over your sick treasonous brainwash.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 6 19:08:42 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 16:39:53 2010.

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Unfortunately, BART PD has an ugly history of white cops killing black suspects. BART PD has not earned benefit of the doubt in dealing with alleged miscreants.
"Most blacks are killed by other blacks." Not when a cop is involved.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Nov 6 19:09:10 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 6 19:08:42 2010.

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agreed

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 19:09:34 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 6 19:08:42 2010.

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Unfortunately, BART PD has an ugly history of white cops killing black suspects

Proff or shens.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 6 19:11:44 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 19:09:34 2010.

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you may consult the archives at sfbg.com

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 19:13:14 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 6 19:11:44 2010.

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An "alternative" newspaper . . . ? I may as well get my "news" from the OP.

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Re: BART cop didn't commit murder

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 6 19:15:51 2010, in response to Re: BART cop didn't commit murder, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 18:27:32 2010.

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spend some time researching records of police misconduct. when you have learnt the history, you might have a different perspective.


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Re:tard

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 6 19:43:06 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 19:06:38 2010.

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And could you take your political critiques where they belong?

Thank you.

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Re:tard

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 6 19:45:51 2010, in response to Re:tard, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 6 19:43:06 2010.

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EU Suppositories.

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Re: EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU

Posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 19:47:04 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 19:06:38 2010.

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Nah; you're not smart enough.

Thatís what the Germans want you to think!

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Re: Olog-hai cheers when pigs kill minorities

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Nov 6 19:50:21 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai cheers when pigs kill minorities, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 18:30:59 2010.

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Must be discriminatory to have such high rate of criminal records for those minorities ??

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 20:19:57 2010, in response to Re: EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 19:47:04 2010.

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Hmm. How many Subchatters do you want to think that you lost your mind?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 20:21:01 2010, in response to BART cop gets away with murder, posted by Dand124 on Fri Nov 5 20:18:40 2010.

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Re Olog-hai is a nut

Posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 20:25:47 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 20:19:57 2010.

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Everyone already knows youíve lost yours.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 20:27:24 2010, in response to Re Olog-hai is a nut, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 20:25:47 2010.

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Says someone who calls police "pigs". As for the rest who call me "nuts", everyone sane knows how nutty they are, JournalSquare-K-Car.

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Re Olog-hai is a nut

Posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 20:30:40 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 20:27:24 2010.

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Iím not the one with delusions of the EU taking over the world.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 21:40:04 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 16:50:13 2010.

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Cops can and do commit murder, and are charges as such.

In the line of duty is seldom murder because the INTENT to commit murder is seldom present.

the victim is usually a minority.

Is this because the majority of miscreants are minorities?

If people (regardless of race) are well educated, have a good job and a fine home they are seldom out committing crimes of the sort that would require lethal force.

Poor White Trash are just as likely to commit the same sorts of crime as Poor Black Trash, and are just as likely to get shot as a result.

If I kill someone who is attacking me, it is not because they are black, but because they are attacking me. And BTW: The only time I was ever accosted with evil intent was by another white man. But then, I am not likely to be in a neighborhood other than my own.



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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 21:41:55 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 17:30:39 2010.

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Again... Who is Cory Maye, what happened?



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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 21:54:49 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 21:41:55 2010.

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OK, the LION Gooooogled "Corey Maye" and read what happened.

The LION agrees with you. Corey should NOT have been found guilty of murder under any circumstance. He should NOT have even been brought to trial. He was awaken from sleep by intruders, went and un-boxed a weapon, loaded it, and when the room that he was in was entered by armed men, he fired.

People who enter other people's homes be they law enforcement officers or not run the risk of being shot. Clearly the officers did not use good police procedures if one of them got shot. If the cops were up to training, Cory would have been the one who was shot, and that would not have been right either.

In California you could say "shit happens" as we all know well that it does. In Mississippi there was clearly a miscarriage of justice, this is especially so given the states mishandling of the evidence in Maye's apartment.

LION'S VERDICT: Mississippi is Guilty: Maye goes free with remuneration for injustice done him.



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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 21:59:38 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 21:54:49 2010.

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Wrong again.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 22:10:52 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 6 19:08:42 2010.

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If such is the case, then the entire force needs to be retrained, starting at the top.



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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 22:16:09 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 21:59:38 2010.

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Is there something more that I do not know?



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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:26:31 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 22:16:09 2010.

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Letting someone who killed a police officer go free? No reason for him to fire on the officers.

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Re: BART cop gets away with murder

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 6 23:39:29 2010, in response to Re: BART cop gets away with murder, posted by vfrt on Sat Nov 6 13:45:29 2010.

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At what point in any of the hundreds of videos depicting this shooting, is Oscar Grant "struggling"? Please enlighten me as to what you saw.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 23:46:35 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:26:31 2010.

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He reasonably though the pigs were home invaders; there was no need for a no-knock swat team raid.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 23:50:17 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:26:31 2010.

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He did not know that they were officers. As far as he was concerned, they were home invaders. He probably perceived what sort of people his neighbors were, maybe who the previous tenant was. He was in a dangerous situation, and cops in tactical gear simply look like monsters.

He did not INTEND to kill a cop, he did not INTEND to kill anybody until his home was invaded. When you invade someone's home, be you cop or not, you need to be prepared for a reaction. Cops are trained to deal with and survive reactions. Homeowners are not so trained.

If the BART incident was an accident, this one was not. Violence was expected by the officers, that they did not kill Cory was a miracle in itself, it showed some restraint and professionalism on the part of the officers. That an officer was killed proves that they need to do still more training.

Bottom Line: Cory did not invade anybody's home, he was not on the streets, he was not a public threat. The officers were.



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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 6 23:51:36 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 21:40:04 2010.

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But Oscar Grant was suspected only of fighting on the train, not attacking the cops, who have no difficulty at all in handcuffing him and getting him proned out onb the station platform. Grant eas unarmed and restrained when he was shot by Mehserle, and I don't buy his argument at all. But California juries have a sad track record of being very lenient with cops who kill minorities.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 23:55:22 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 23:46:35 2010.

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LION agrees with your post, but not with your subject line.



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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:57:22 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sat Nov 6 23:46:35 2010.

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Save your anarcho-communist rantings for the rubber room, Stalin.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:58:05 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 23:55:22 2010.

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Correct. He should move to North Korea. He'll wish for the police over here to protect him.

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Re: BART cop gets away with murder

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 6 23:59:03 2010, in response to Re: BART cop gets away with murder, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Nov 6 17:20:39 2010.

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I understand, but there are MANY people out there trying to justify the killing of Mr. Grant because of his less than stellar history.

Nobody here is saying that the death of the young man was justified. He did nothing to warrant it.

What *is* being said, is that individuals with previous criminal records, who have vendettas against the police, are wild, uncooperative, and struggle while under arrest, are more likely to *create* a situation where an accident like this can occur.

People who are arrested and continue to act like wild animals become a variable and create opportunities for unfortunate incidents such as these to occur.

So yes, I would say that someone with a prior record, and therefore prior history of disdain against the police, would be more inclined to act in such a way.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:59:15 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 23:50:17 2010.

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First paragraph is more hot air. The "home invasion" excuse is baloney.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:00:51 2010, in response to Re: BART cop gets away with murder, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 6 23:59:03 2010.

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Maybe they'd like to live some place like South Africa where the cops look the other way.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:17:07 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:57:22 2010.

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Iím not the one with paranoid fantasies about the EU.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:18:15 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:58:05 2010.

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Because the problem with North Korea is the lack of police powerÖ

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:20:13 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:18:15 2010.

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Oh no; police power there is very strong. They're used for the wrong priorities though.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:21:31 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:20:13 2010.

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Oh no; police power there is very strong

that's why you'd love it there

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:22:45 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:21:31 2010.

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You're the communist; you'd love it there. You clearly don't appreciate laws of freedom.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:24:04 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:22:45 2010.

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You're the communist

How on earth did you get that idea?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:24:39 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:17:07 2010.

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Do you ever read the articles I post? They're not made up, and I didn't write them. Must be thousands and possibly millions like me who have what you call "paranoid fantasies"; meanwhile, even when it's pointed out that their "supranational" government is a mirror of the USSR's government, and that they don't have habeas corpus, that doesn't even elicit a reaction from you.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:25:21 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:24:04 2010.

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Your calling police "pigs".

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:26:48 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:24:39 2010.

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I could find thousands of article claiming aliens landed a Roswell that doesnít make it true.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:27:55 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:25:21 2010.

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And that makes me a communist how? You do know the communist countries are police states?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:33:37 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:26:48 2010.

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Not in the mainstream media.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:34:37 2010, in response to Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea, posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:27:55 2010.

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No kidding. But that doesn't mean that the useful idiots who call police "pigs" won't try to institute the idealized communism.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:38:06 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:33:37 2010.

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When so serves your interest the mainstream media has credibility when it doesnít serve your interests the mainstream media is biased; make up your mind.

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Re: Olog-hai Should move to North Korea

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:39:37 2010, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 7 00:34:37 2010.

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What have I ever said that makes you think I have anything positive to say about communism?

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Re: BART cop gets away with murder

Posted by Dand124 on Sun Nov 7 00:41:55 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 6 23:59:15 2010.

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First paragraph is more hot air. The "home invasion" excuse is baloney.

No itís not.

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Re: BART cop never committed murder

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Nov 7 01:21:05 2010, in response to Re: BART cop never committed murder, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 6 22:10:52 2010.

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yup. the chief is history. new "rules of engagement" are to be drafted IINM

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Re: BART cop gets away with murder

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 7 01:23:15 2010, in response to Re: BART cop gets away with murder, posted by vfrt on Sat Nov 6 13:45:29 2010.

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typical from YOU....blame the victim..ESPECIALLY since its a person of color.

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