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The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by monorail on Fri Jul 30 22:35:11 2010, in response to The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010.

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excellent artwork!!!

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 30 23:56:06 2010, in response to The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010.

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Things are definitely improved up that way - but pockets of blight STILL persist here and there. As for the artwork - I have my own opinions of it - some positive, some negative. I liked the one at 8:22 - "Island Paradise".

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 31 00:01:06 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 30 23:56:06 2010.

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AND that building at E164 & Boston Rd has come a LONG WAY, see link below.

Click here for street view

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 31 00:21:27 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 30 23:56:06 2010.

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It's been a while since I've seen large collections of burned out buildings anywhere in the city, including the Bronx.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by arnine on Sat Jul 31 07:35:16 2010, in response to The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010.

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Interesting

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 07:37:16 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 31 00:21:27 2010.

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Yes, it was so common in the 70's and 80's. I remember riding on Broadway in Brooklyn on the el in the 80's, and there were more abandoned/burned buildings than in use buildings. Anyone who didn't live through the 80's in NYC could never comprehend it.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 31 08:47:19 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 07:37:16 2010.

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You would have thought WWIII had taken place.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 09:02:38 2010, in response to The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010.

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Interesting, Thanks, I never knew that Ed Asner was a NYC cop in the 80s (1:10). Seriously, what movie are many of those shots from? Most of it is accurate but it is "Hollywood Slick".

Got it! Those are scenes from Fort Apache: The Bronx (1981) a great movie.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:24:50 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 09:02:38 2010.

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Are all scenes from Fort Apache: The Bronx? I think some of it is Beat Street.

There are two shots from Fresh Pond Rd.

7:04-7:08 was shot from a rooftop overlooking Fresh Pond Yard.

8:22-8:25 is Fresh Pond Station.

Most of the footage is from the The Bronx though.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:37:57 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:24:50 2010.

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Also,

8:41 to 8:43 is a n/b A train on the Rockaway branch, approaching Rockaway Blvd.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 10:45:56 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:24:50 2010.

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You are absolutely 100% correct, the "Island Paradise" photo is Fresh Pond Rd, looking from Putnam towards 67th Ave, at the station. That is Maasbach's restaurant seen under the el, which was there until the late 90's. Most definitely Ridgewood.





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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 10:50:29 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 30 23:56:06 2010.

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As Luch pointed out, "Island Paradise" is an R30 on the M line at the Fresh Pond Rd station, not the Bronx:



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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:55:38 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 10:45:56 2010.

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What kind of bus is that under that station? Maybe someone from buschat will recognize it.

I figure that was filmed late 1983, early 1984.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 11:01:21 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 10:50:29 2010.

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Can you confirm at about 8:43 being shot from abandoned LIRR Rockaway branch?

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 11:07:14 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 11:01:21 2010.

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Yes, I agree with that too, although I can't say it 100% like I did for the Fresh Pond shot, which is WITHOUT a doubt Fresh Pond (Maasbachs is as clear as day).
The Rockaway one I would say I am about 95% sure, that's an R10 which sort of clinches it, and I say it's where the liberty el connects to the unused part of the Rockaway line.



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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 11:08:14 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:55:38 2010.

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I know nothing about buses.

Yes, I would say that is between 1982 and 1984

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 11:31:21 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:24:50 2010.

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Didn't make it that far 5 min is my limit on videos that don't bore me.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 31 11:59:44 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 31 08:47:19 2010.

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My father used to refer ENY and Bed-Stuy as "Dresden, after the war".

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jul 31 12:19:52 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 10:50:29 2010.

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Geez...that train was IN SERVICE?

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jul 31 12:23:22 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:55:38 2010.

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I think it's an RTS...which would confirm this was in the 80s..

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 12:27:14 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 10:50:29 2010.

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I wonder where that train was when they vandalized it?

Could have been in Fresh Pond Yard, but I'll bet it was a snowbird in the tunnel near Bowery, allowing the vandal to stand next to the car.



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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 12:35:56 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 12:27:14 2010.

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Back then wherever they stored trains were vulnerable, from good neighborhoods to bad and everything in between.

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GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:55:38 2010.

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It's the back of a GM New Look a/k/a "fishbowl" with no A/C. A mainstay of surface transit in US and Canada from 1959 on. last manufactured in 1986. The last private operator in the NYC area to use "new looks" was NY Bus Service, in "suburban" configuration (high back seats, reading lamps, luggage racks and no rear exit door) until about 5(?) years ago when the operator and others was acquired by the MTA. There was a modified version called the "new look classic" that is still used in Toronto and was manufactured by MCI who acquired GM coach,until 1993, when GM got out of the coach business for good. It continued to be manufactured by NOVAbus, with the Canadian market being the primary customers,until 1997. NovaBus also made Classics in the US in 1995 and 1996 from its now-defunct New York state plant. That version are the ones that are used in Buffalo, Connecticut, Rochester, the suburbs of Chicago (Pace), and Pittsburgh, who was the last transit agency in the U.S. to acquire Classics.* If you ever visit Toronto you'll see tons of them, originals and classics, still in everyday service (even some as trolley buses). They were tough buses.

The one in the picture looks to be non-TA, I could be wrong about the non-TA part but I'm 80% certain it is not TA, maybe former TA.

WITHOUT A/C

WITH A/C
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MCI New Look Classic From a former "private" acquired by the MTA. In "MTA Bus" livery


A classic in Liberty Lines livery. IINM, this bus is owned by an occasional poster to Buschat,

I am cross posting this thread to Buschat to correct any errors I may have made.

This concludes your "Bus Lesson For Rail-fans" class for today.
There WILL be a quiz. LOL

*Fact, about US plant, courtesy of wiki.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 12:40:05 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jul 31 12:19:52 2010.

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All the trains looked like that back then, windows and all. That's why I laugh when people see a "tag", and think we "are in the 70's". They have no idea.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 31 12:41:38 2010, in response to The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010.

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Ah the old hood...

Boy has it changed from those days!

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 12:43:25 2010, in response to GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010.

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The one in the picture looks to be non-TA, I could be wrong about the non-TA part but I'm 80% certain it is not TA, maybe former TA.

I don't know if any non-TA lines run there, that's just to the right of Fresh Pond depot for the buses there. But I really know much about buses, nor their routes.


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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 31 12:45:32 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 10:24:50 2010.

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Yeah some are from Fort Apache the Bronx and Beat Street...

Is getting flashbacks now...



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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 12:50:50 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 12:35:56 2010.

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My point was that the vandal had to be standing on firm ground to get that kind of height and do such a "good job" in "mural" format, which standing on the ground of a yard would not allow.

I suspect this was a snow bird, likely for the weekend, allowing the vandal to stand on the raised concrete walkway and take his sweet time.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by blue8IRT on Sat Jul 31 12:59:06 2010, in response to The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010.

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Highly educational, entertaining and poignant. What a world what a world.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:01:39 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 12:43:25 2010.

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Could been a charter. Note the "script" on the rear window.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 13:02:48 2010, in response to GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010.

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Thanks. That what it looked like to me, but the ad in the rear window throw me off.

I don't remember anyone doing those window ads back then. Everything was cardboard advertising.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:11:12 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:01:39 2010.

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The other possibility is that its a GM "buffalo bus"

GM "Buffalo Buses"* look very similar to non A/C'd "Fishbowls" since the DID share common parts. Major difference was the height.

*GM Buffalo bus is the slang term for several models of intercity motorcoaches built by the GM Truck and Coach Division of the General Motors Corporation at Pontiac, Michigan between 1966 and 1980. "Buffalo" buses have a stepped roof in front, and the first three rows of seats are at different levels, mounted on stepped floors similar to some theatre seating.
(coutesy wiki)

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:16:41 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:01:39 2010.

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The other possibility is that its a GM "buffalo bus"

GM "Buffalo Buses"* look very similar to non A/C'd "Fishbowls" from the rear since they DID share common parts. Major difference was the height.
Sorry I could not find a rear picture that allowed hot linking. Guess its a state secret.

*GM Buffalo bus is the slang term for several models of intercity motorcoaches built by the GM Truck and Coach Division of the General Motors Corporation at Pontiac, Michigan between 1966 and 1980. "Buffalo" buses have a stepped roof in front, and the first three rows of seats are at different levels, mounted on stepped floors similar to some theatre seating.
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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:23:24 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jul 31 12:23:22 2010.

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That ain't no RTS. In the early 80s NYCTAs fleet was mostly the infamous "Grumman Flxible". RTSs were rare, first one appeared in late 1981 on a Brooklyn route.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 13:25:49 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:16:41 2010.

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Interesting. Is there a smaller version of that bus that might have been used for express bus service?

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 31 13:28:32 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 31 11:08:14 2010.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:29:15 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 13:02:48 2010.

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I don't think it's an ad. I think it's the operators name like New York Bus Service did on their fishbowls.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 31 13:50:32 2010, in response to GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010.

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You hate trains.

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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 31 14:15:37 2010, in response to The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 30 22:30:33 2010.

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4:26 can anyone identify the station and is that the point where they were transitioning between types of station signage? (I see a small sign attached to the lamppost but room for a bigger sign where there is already graffiti).

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 14:18:15 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 31 13:25:49 2010.

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No. Liberty Lines had a handful that the ran mostly on the Concourse/Riverdale Express route to mid-town One was prominently featured in the 1984 Robin Williams Movie.Moscow On The Hudson bringing the visiting Russian musicians to Bloomingdale's, where the Williams character defects. They cleverly featured a "Liberty Lines" bus for the irony making it a part of the story line. Good move on the part of the director, IMO.

NJTransit and it's 2 earlier incarnations had a crowd of them, all 2nd hand, that were run on suburban commuter runs to PABT.
This bus ran for the Public Service, TNJ, or what is now known as the New Jersey Transit. I don't recall if any ever received NJTransit livery, many did get Transport Of NJ livery:

Most transit agencies used the "suburban" version (high back seats, reading lamps, mostly manual transmissions, luggage racks, raised floors and only no rear door.) of the GM "fishbowl for express and commuter runs.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Jul 31 14:19:59 2010, in response to GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010.

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Wrong. Trolley buses were discontinued in Toronto in 1993.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 14:44:19 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 31 13:50:32 2010.

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ummm, hardly. I have the ability, and ancestry, to appreciate both types of mass transit, unlike you who is stuck in 1957.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 14:45:02 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Jul 31 14:19:59 2010.

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Thank you, I stand corrected.

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 14:55:52 2010, in response to GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010.

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ooops, This is the 4th photo that I meant to appear.
Does an occasional poster to BUSchat own this good looking bus?



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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 15:10:35 2010, in response to GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010.

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Upon further inspection, on a PC with a better monitor I see the bus in question is definitely a GMC "Buffalo Bus". Note the drop in the roofline towards the front. As I said in another post "Bufallos" and "Fishbowls" shared many components to save money. Rhe slanted side windows are the most obvious items.


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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by arnine on Sat Jul 31 15:11:38 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 14:55:52 2010.

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Cool shot :)

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 15:18:12 2010, in response to GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 12:39:54 2010.

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Upon further inspection, on a PC with a better monitor I see the bus in question is definitely a GMC "Buffalo Bus". Note the drop in the roofline towards the front. As I said in another post "Bufallos" and "Fishbowls" shared many components to save money. Rhe slanted side windows are the most obvious items.


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Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's

Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jul 31 16:13:50 2010, in response to Re: The South Bronx of the 1980's, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 13:23:24 2010.

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We had 'em on Staten Island by 1982...I rode #1639 often that summer...

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Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 17:30:27 2010, in response to Re: GM New Looks, eeek! buses on Subchat (WAS: The South Bronx of the 1980's), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 14:55:52 2010.

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Yes it is. Not mine,BTW. Found it using a google image search.

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