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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010 The "Secrets" of Grand Central Terminal are revealed here.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 22:33:30 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. Holy %^&*. Shoot me now. I'm going to contact the author. |
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Posted by 9 local on Mon Jul 12 22:46:08 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 22:33:30 2010. Shoot me nowPuerto Rican Day Parade style? |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Jul 12 22:46:20 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 22:33:30 2010. 'Holy %^&*. Shoot me now.'careful! don't stand still.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 12 22:47:00 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. Cool beans! I particularly enjoyed ..."And that's why, Brucker said, a few years ago, when the chairman of the Metro-North Railroad tried to go down to the secret station and was stopped by security, he said, sternly, "This is my railroad." To which the equally stern response was, "Not today." " |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 22:48:01 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by 9 local on Mon Jul 12 22:46:08 2010. yes :( |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jul 13 07:41:05 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. I am assuming that the track FDR's car is on is probably walled up with track severed ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 13 07:51:12 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 12 22:47:00 2010. Kind of like Mayor McClellan on the inaugural subway run: "This is MY train and I'm running it! Neener-neener.":) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:54:50 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jul 13 07:41:05 2010. no and the FDR car is only a FDR car in Dan Bruckners imagination.The secret armoured car is nothing more than a ex penn central, exx Pennsy bagage car. it was not in GCT till about 1984 when it was added to wreck train by then wreck master Ed Whitney, the car is loaded with slings blocking and other gadgets used by Crane NYC 1 which now resides at Danbury railroad museum. This bagage car and 2 of its identical sisters were sold to MNCR on its inception in 1983 one went to wreck train, one went to wire train and one was spare (in Harmon I believe) the spare car was scrapped, the wire train one ended at Danbury railway museum and third is a figment of mr.bruckers imagination in GCT where it sits rotting away. The blue and reporting mark had nothing to do with militairy but was added at North White plains shop in 1984/5 when car was pained and restocked and trucks serviced. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 07:58:21 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:54:50 2010. Yes... But...Dan Bruckners imagination is far more interesting. Besides, he is a journalist and does not care about facts.
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:58:23 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:54:50 2010.      |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 13 08:00:27 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:58:23 2010. AAH A sneak peek at this years Holiday train! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 08:02:00 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:54:50 2010. As you can see no door is big enough for limo, the construction is a standard rivited car, not armoured and yes the track is still connectedyes truck is NYC  Not big enough for limo 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 08:52:09 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. Very cool. I have been deep in the basement of Grand Central many stories down. Back int he early 90's, I took a Long Island NRHS tour of Grand Central, which included the far deep basement. There's also catwalks high in the windows you can walk through. There are actually corridors through them. Very cool place. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jul 13 09:08:31 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. I love how Dan always brags about how GCT's RTC center is in a top secret location, but if you board the elevator, the stop for it is listed right there (along with the training center, M7 simulator room, etc) |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jul 13 09:15:18 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. They always brag about how great their lost & found is, yet a couple years ago I accidentially left my neck badge, which had my work ID (with my name and photo) on one side and my monthly pass on the other, on my seat when I got off at Stamford. I immediately went upstairs and reported it at the ticket window, where I was told that my train was continuing on to South Norwalk and would skip Stamford on the return trip, but he would have them contact the crew to look for it.It never showed up in Lost & Found. I always had a suspicion that monthly tickets are one thing they will never return....... |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Jul 13 09:20:48 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. That is old news. Kelly Choi revealed that on "Secrets of New York" (WNYC-TV) several years ago. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 10:23:24 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Allan on Tue Jul 13 09:20:48 2010. Did she get it right, or was she propagating the same incorrect info.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 13 10:23:54 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jul 13 09:15:18 2010. You'd be suprised at some of the valueable stuff thats turned in there. The strangest was a guy who lost a video camera with a tape of (so he says) his wife giving birth. It was turned in & I told the guy that he should tie the camera to some body part so he would'nt lose it again.He thanked me profusely,in tears, & reminded him of how lucky he was. A tape like that could have wound up on 8th ave. I ran the place in the early 90's & could write a book about it. My standard answer was that if the intention of the person that found your item is to turn it in, then you'll get it back. If not, then, well you know the rest. Some people keep what they find. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Jul 13 11:11:18 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 08:52:09 2010. I hope they taught the group about the arch echo trick by the Oyster Bar I always get a kick out of it. The corridors are awesome, I sometimes stand in them and watch over the terminal :) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Jul 13 11:22:34 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jul 13 09:08:31 2010. I have met him and actually corrected him but didn't work he was sprouting misinformation a few days later :( |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Jul 13 11:25:13 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Allan on Tue Jul 13 09:20:48 2010. It was also done on WNBC I forget the reporters name and the name of the show which included her name something under NY I believe |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 11:25:26 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jul 13 09:15:18 2010. That monthly probably ended in one of your fellow commuters walet |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jul 13 13:29:25 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:54:50 2010. Thanks for the info and pics. The article stated that vents in this car were used as gun ports. I found that a bit suspect since the clerestory vents are located near the ceiling. How can someone fire a gun with their head on the ceiling ?The vents in the article didn't look like gun ports. Also the blue paint didn't look like anything used by the N.Y.C. in 1932. So much for an imagination ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 13 14:14:37 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 10:23:24 2010. About the FDR "car"? Same incorrect info.--mark |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 13 14:20:19 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 07:58:21 2010. I wonder why that railroad car can't be moved it's on wheels and sitting on track then it can be moved, I think the only thing keeping it there is red tape, nothing else, a total inspection and away we go heh,heh, yea right. Karl M |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 14:40:58 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 13 14:20:19 2010. It was offered to Danbury Railway Museum a few years back right after 9/11, homeland security wanted the car out because of security concerns.The FRA allowed a one time waiver if brakes worked,even if they were out of date. DRM sat on idea without ever responding, and car is still there. It is of no use for MNCR operations, all material inside was for the double ended crane which resieds at Danbury railway Museum. As a side note, any car used for car transport was equipped with end doors that could accomodate a car over coupler end, this car does not have this. the door on side is hardly big enough to have a smart two for two make the turn, no way a presidential Limo would have fit. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 13 15:05:16 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 14:40:58 2010. So this car is in essence a supply car, does this car HAVE armored sides or is this another urban legends ? it's kinda funny this secret car location with Graffiti scrawled alongside it, some tagger found it .... some secret. Karl M |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 15:10:09 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 13 15:05:16 2010. no armour, just a old riveted Bagage car, as shown in my earlier posted pictures in this thread. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 15:11:30 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 15:10:09 2010. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=955944 |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Tue Jul 13 16:01:40 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 07:54:50 2010. Isn't it also the case that the special entrance to the Waldorf was created while he was governor of New York and came down to the city frequently on the NY Central?The CNET article suggests the entrance was created at the request of the White House. I don't think that's right, but I'm not sure. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 16:30:25 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Brighton Private on Tue Jul 13 16:01:40 2010. The elevator is a standard freight elevator for the loading dock.The ornate (brass) outside is in line with all doors on that side of street. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 16:40:17 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 16:30:25 2010. way more info on waldorf platform and elevator here:http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/gct61.html |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 17:39:54 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 13 07:51:12 2010. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that he didn't do all that well with his handle time and once the press had had their yayas, the handles were pulled out of his hands fairly quickly. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 17:40:36 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 10:23:24 2010. What do you mean "get it right"? The reporters are only reporting what is being told to them by Dan Bruckner. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 17:41:37 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 13 15:05:16 2010. It's not in a secret location. |
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Posted by blue8IRT on Tue Jul 13 19:02:36 2010, in response to Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 12 22:19:42 2010. This is such an old on-line article. Come on, tell us something we don't know. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 19:22:11 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by blue8IRT on Tue Jul 13 19:02:36 2010. It's not an old article. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 13 19:23:27 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 19:22:11 2010. Ok its new article about rehashed untrue shit |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Tue Jul 13 19:56:33 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 07:58:21 2010. He's far from a journalist. He's just a high paid suit & tie delay clerk. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 13 20:18:14 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 17:39:54 2010. In any case, he didn't surrender the handles until the train reached 103rd Street. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 20:23:31 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 13 20:18:14 2010. That's whatI wasn't sure of - I read somewhere that his "control" of the train was actually taken away a lot sooner than that but he had remained in the vestibule until then. But I don't remember the details of what I'd read, it was several years ago ... supposedly he was told to LEAVE at 103rd. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 21:57:14 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jul 13 13:29:25 2010. True, but is was not supposed to be an NYC car. This one came from the PRR, but as you say that is not their color either. But it does come close to the colors of the B&O which *did* serve Washington, and *could* have been the source of this car.In any event it the LION ran the secret service in those days, he would NOT want the president traipsing about in a BLUE car which would stand out like a sore thumb on almost any railroad that hauled it. Nope, that is not for the LION, the LION would have used a Pullman green car. Period. Indeed while the LION likes all of the different colors of subway cars that he has on his layout, always buying the cheapest ones available, he would prefer that all of the cars look exactly alike, and for the same reason: the eye cannot follow all of them because they all look the same. When you have silver trains mixed in with red trains, with green trains, and with tuscan trains, the eye can follow one particular train. That would not do, except as I say, money trumps color every time. And besides, I am happy to have the different paint schemes represented.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 22:15:47 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jul 13 13:29:25 2010. Actually, ABOVE the ceiling. Perhaps they used mirrors, or periscopes and grapplers. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 22:17:40 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 21:57:14 2010. If you run trains of many colors, how DO you keep the foamers at bay? :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 22:31:21 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 22:17:40 2010. LIONS
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 13 22:33:34 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 21:57:14 2010. about the colors. first the blue in the pic is pretty much Conrail medium blue. Second when Roosevelt was POTUS many trains were no longer Pullman Green. PRR was Tuscan, and by Roosevelt's second term B&O had numerous Blue and Gray cars. The NYC began to have two tone Gray as of 1938 with the coming of the lightweights.B&O was indeed very involved in POTUS trains and the B&O RR Historical Society has run several articles in their Sentinel magazine about same. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 22:36:44 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 22:31:21 2010. Heh. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 13 23:04:16 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 13 22:33:34 2010. Second when Roosevelt was POTUS many trains were no longer Pullman Green. PRR was Tuscan, and by Roosevelt's second term B&O had numerous Blue and Gray carsYes, the LION figured all of this out. But across the country nobody would take special notice of a Pullman Green car. B&O colors, PRR colors, NYC colors, all of these would stand out tlie a sore thumb on any western property. Not a good thing in wartime, you know. NOPE< LION SAYS GREEN!
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 14 07:54:43 2010, in response to Re: Grand Central Secrets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 22:17:40 2010. Easy - put No Foaming signs everywhere a la 1689 on Subtalk Day.:) |
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