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Posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 16:10:27 2010 I was researching my family history and discovered that my grandfather lived at 70 Truxton St, Brooklyn, NY prior to WWI.I also discovered that his brother lived a block away at 2216 Fulton St at that time.  this image of Truxton St and Fulton St shows that the Truxton St area was was already cleared by 1940. Does anyone have a older image of the area? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 21 16:25:04 2010, in response to Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 16:10:27 2010. That is pretty neat! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 21 16:45:25 2010, in response to Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 16:10:27 2010. Interesting location. Fulton crossing over/under 5th/Lex/Myrtle? |
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Posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 17:48:17 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 21 16:45:25 2010. That is Eastern Pkwy crosssing Truxton in the foreground. The Broadway El at East NY is in the background and the Fulton El coming out of the center to the right. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 21 18:53:01 2010, in response to Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 16:10:27 2010. The area just to the left of the Fulton St el is Truxton Park ands its existence where it is as a city park facilitated construction of the IND subway at that point. Routing the IND subway from immediately under Fulton St to under the park made it possible for the el's replacement subway to have a transfer to the rest of the BMT Eastern Div at Bway Jct/E Pky which the el did not have. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 19:16:10 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 21 18:53:01 2010. Ok, so Truxton St was cleared out for the IND Fulton St Subway in the 30's. Which El did not have what? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 21 20:42:05 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 19:16:10 2010. Huh? Do you mean the Fulton El had no transfer to the Broadway El? It didn't. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 03:21:40 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 21 20:42:05 2010. That's correct. After the Dual contacts, when the Fulton el was 3rd tracked E /O Nostrand, there was no station between Rockaway Ave and Atlantic, so that Fulton St passengers could only transfer to the 14 St line at Atlantic. Transfer to,the Jamaica Line was only by going to riding to Atl n backriding to Bway Jct. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 22 09:50:58 2010, in response to Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 16:10:27 2010. Truxton St. was rerouted completely in order to build the park and IND station. See both links below.http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/?z=9&p=1010573,186495&c=orthos1924 http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/?z=9&p=1010573,186495&c=orthos2008 |
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Posted by Mellow One on Thu Apr 22 10:36:46 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 22 09:50:58 2010. Thanks, I have looked at the 1924 Aerial before. However, it is interesting to compare the old and the new.My Grandfather and family moved to the Bronx from Truxton St about 1914. My Grandfater's brother moved back to Brooklyn Heights, from where Great Grandfather settled in the 1880's. Both my Grandfather and his brother married Brooklyn Girls. My Grandmother preferred the open spaces of the Bronx. My father resided in the Bronx for most of his life after then, from whence I was derived. 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 22 12:37:27 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 17:48:17 2010. Oh, yeah. Duh on my part. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 22 12:39:23 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 03:21:40 2010. I believe such a transfer existed with the old Manhattan Junction alignment. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 22 12:56:55 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 03:21:40 2010. Fulton St passengers could only transfer to the 14 St line at Atlantic.They could also transfer to the Bway-Canarsie (14) line, which ran most of the time. If people were coming from Park Row or Sands St, they would take the Lex, which had an easy transfer to the Jamaica (15) line. The problem was for people who were going between intermediate stations and headed to/from Jamaica. Two transfers would be required. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 22 15:28:32 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 22 12:39:23 2010. I don't think so. The old alignment allowed trains to transfer but not passengers (so you had to ride the appropriate through-train). IINM, until the opening of the Canarsie line, there was a service from the Broadway El to the eastern Fulton line, but was replaced with a 14th Street-Eastern Line. I don't know when they stopped running Fulton-Fulton (note Broadway El uses Fulton east of BJ) service if they ever did. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:58:04 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 22 12:56:55 2010. AFAIK, once the 14 St Subway opened all the way to Manhattan, the Bway Bkln lcls terminated at E/Pky except for selected intervals in the rush hour since there was now a transfer available at Bway Jct for Canarsie trains. Either way, whether a passenger changed for a Bway Bkln lcl or a 14 St lcl both services went to Canarsie in one direction and Bway Jct/E Pky in the other. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 18:02:02 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 22 15:28:32 2010. Prior to the dual contracts, Fulton did have a stop at what was at that time called "Manhattan Junction." Why a station wasn't constructed at Van Sinderen and Fulton I don't know. It looks like it would have been possible. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 18:03:07 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 22 12:56:55 2010. AFAIK, once the 14 St Subway opened all the way to Manhattan, the Bway Bkln lcls terminated at E/Pky except for selected intervals in the rush hour since there was now a transfer available at Bway Jct for Canarsie trains. Either way, whether a passenger changed for a Bway Bkln lcl or a 14 St lcl both services went to Canarsie in one direction and Bway Jct/E Pky in the other. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 22 18:29:50 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 17:48:17 2010. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but wouldn't that be the Canarsie Line in the background and not the Bway line? |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 18:37:49 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 22 18:29:50 2010. Actually, that is the Canarsie Line since the Fulton St el went under that structure and not under the Bway Line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 22 19:34:37 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 18:02:02 2010. Was not "Manhattan Junction" the same as Atlantic Avenue? Manhattan Junction referred to the Manhattan Beach line, which would have connected at Atlantic. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 22 19:35:45 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:58:04 2010. IINM limited service from the Broadway local to Canarsie continued until 1968. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 22 19:55:04 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 22 18:03:07 2010. AFAIK, once the 14 St Subway opened all the way to Manhattan, the Bway Bkln lcls terminated at E/Pky except for selected intervals in the rush hour since there was now a transfer available at Bway Jct for Canarsie trains.Service pattern was Canal to Atlantic Mon-Sat daytime hours and Canal to Rockaway Pkwy Mon-Sat rush hours. Sat service was discontinued in 1951. Discontinued M-F midday service between Canal and Atlantic in 1952. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 23 03:50:46 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 22 19:34:37 2010. Manhattan Jct was in the general location of the present Bway Jct. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 23 03:53:37 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 22 19:35:45 2010. It was VERY limited. The Bway Bkln lcl operated only during rush hours and even then there were only 3 intervals in the AM and PM rush that operated through to/from Canarsie. I worked there as both a C/R and Tw/M so I know with a relatively high degree of certainty. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 23 07:22:34 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 23 03:53:37 2010. The Bway Bkln lcl operated only during rush hoursOnly after 1952. Before 1951 it was daytime Mon to Sat. even then there were only 3 intervals in the AM and PM rush that operated through to/from Canarsie. I worked there as both a C/R and Tw/M so I know with a relatively high degree of certainty. That occurred in 1956, after BMT Fulton line service was discontinued. 14th St-Fulton St trains were re-routed to Rockaway Pkwy. This was more than Canarsie could handle so some Bway locals were re-routed to Crescent St. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Apr 23 07:37:16 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 17:48:17 2010. Wasn't the Fulton el at that location a spider web truss structure and not box girder? |
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Posted by Mellow One on Fri Apr 23 08:31:36 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Apr 23 07:37:16 2010. Well, that is Fulton St and there is an El on it. It may be a rebuilt section of it, or the outer sections had solid girders. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 23 13:01:51 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Apr 23 07:37:16 2010. The portion of the Fulton St El between Nostrand Av and Hinsdale St was rebuilt under the dual contracts to accommodate steel cars. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 23 13:06:06 2010, in response to Re: Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 23 07:22:34 2010. That's correct until circa 1960 when AM Bway Bkln lcls originated at Jamaica and operated a skip stop service with the Jamaica expresses. Pm lcls continued to operate to Crescent St until 1967 when a PM skip stop to Jamaica was instituted. By the time I qualified as a road M/M in 1969, the PM skip stop service had been discontinued and both KKs and QJs mad all stops Jamaica bound. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 23 20:11:27 2010, in response to Fulton St El at Truxton St, posted by Mellow One on Wed Apr 21 16:10:27 2010. That looks like an upgraded portion of the Fulton St. el, too. |
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