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Posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010 Photojournalist and photo rights activist Carlos Miller was visiting New Jersey this weekend only to be harassed by NJ Transit's security guards for taking pictures.story here They messed with the wrong person - this story is going to get some press! |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 11:42:37 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. Idiots! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 11:50:33 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. What is it with NJT Light Rail? I have had two run-ins with them, (both on HBLR) but none with NJT Rail itself. |
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Posted by Nabinut on Mon Mar 8 11:59:24 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. The funny thing it was SNOW!!!No buildings, transit or anything deemed sensitive, it was SNOW!!! |
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Posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 12:10:17 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Nabinut on Mon Mar 8 11:59:24 2010. Perhaps the secret entrance to the Batcave was underneath that pile of snow :) |
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Posted by Waynejay on Mon Mar 8 12:56:10 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. Wow! So they think that pile of dirty snow is some sensitive place that shouldn't be photographed. The authorities really need to get rhe word out to the folks in the trenches regarding photography.Also - You gotta love the part about it "being private property, owned by the state". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:59:39 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Waynejay on Mon Mar 8 12:56:10 2010. Low level private security guards get off on pushing people around due to their otherwise low status, pay and power in the overall culture. Never, EVER allow these nothings to order you around. Rent-a-cops are for abuse and ridicule by the more successful, intelligent masses. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 13:14:30 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Waynejay on Mon Mar 8 12:56:10 2010. It's not just about what they didn't want photographed but who they messed with (although I am sure they had no idea).. Carlos Miller is the preeminent photo rights activist on the East Coast. His blog, based out of Miami, is read by other journalists nationwide - he is the one who got the attention of the NY Times when rtype was arrested for taking pictures on the subway last year. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 13:55:12 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. I think that the guard was within his rights to tell him not to climb on the snow. If someone gets hurt doing that and they might try and sue. They would also be within their rights to prevent loitering in parking lots. The photography comments were of course bogus. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Mar 8 14:58:01 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. I have been reading about Carlos' "exploits" and while I am appreciative of his efforts to protect photographer's rights, he seems to be the one who instigates the encounters so that he comes out as the persecuted one. There is definitely more happening that he puts in his articles. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 15:08:36 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Allan on Mon Mar 8 14:58:01 2010. Why is it always excusable for police and security to lie about our right to take pictures from a given location but not ok for people like Carlos to stand their ground? If more photographers reacted the way Carlos does perhaps we would put an end to the harassment once and for all |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Mon Mar 8 15:19:46 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. Smh.....you just can't make this stuff up.....those must have been morons....... |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 15:21:10 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 12:59:39 2010. Hehe, I tell 'em to have sex with themselves. Real cops, it's "hello officer" but the rentals get no mercy.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 15:36:54 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 15:21:10 2010. Lol:) |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Mar 8 15:52:01 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 15:08:36 2010. I am not saying it is excusable but IMHO, Carlos is doing much more than taking pictures. He WANTS the confrontation. {Can you say "Media hog").I think he is doing something that actually is drawing the attention to himself where normally the cops would not even take notice. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 15:59:36 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 15:36:54 2010. I should state that I only bite back when bitten, not some rabid doge.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Mar 8 16:16:35 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 12:10:17 2010. Or a very high profile telephone booth. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 8 16:20:46 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. Totally absurd!!!!! >:-(I had taken it upon myself to contact NJ Transit, and ask them about photography of trains at NJT stations, and this is what I got in response (yes it is an official word, and the official who responded, his name is included, should anyone here wish to make contact). And for the record, at Roselle Park, Cranford and even Linden, police patrolled, but nothing was said to me when I was observed, even where at Linden I was watched by NJT PD, for over 35 minutes and nothing at all was said to me from the second I showed up to the second I left, not followed, not anything!! Here is the letter to me from NJT in it's entirety...... ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* Dear Paul, We are replying to your feedback of 2/13/2010 regarding subject: Policies regard photography on the NJT Rail System. NJ TRANSIT allows photographs to be taken of facilities and equipment as long as all safety and security procedures are followed. However, effective January 1, 2006, the requirement for a Photo Pass, temporary or Photo ID, has been eliminated. As such, photo permits are no longer a requirement to take photographs in publicly accessible areas on NJ TRANSIT property. Please note that this pertains to non-commercial photography only. Commercial photographers must still have a contract with NJ TRANSIT if they wish to film or conduct photo shoots. Scout photos taken by location scouts do not require a pass if the photos will not be sold. Thank you for contacting NJ TRANSIT. Sincerely, Carmine Melillo NJ TRANSIT Customer Relations Specialist ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* All replies must be thru the NJT website!! Those rent-a-cops are just plain dumbasses!! Photography COMPLETELY ALLOWED AND LEGAL!!! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 8 16:40:22 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. total madness |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 16:44:52 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 15:59:36 2010. Hehe that is good I too only bite back when bitten :-) |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 16:49:18 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 8 16:20:46 2010. Yes but the rent a cops are idiots. I was once harrassed by the rent-a-cops at Stamford for taking 1 pic on my iPhone, I showed them my MNR ID and that was the end of it, but when I got back to GCT I notified my boss about what happened and he said he'd pass it along. I went back to Stamford 2 weeks or so later tried to take a pic but this time they said nothing. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 8 16:52:55 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 16:49:18 2010. Me personally, I would have asked them to call the REAL police!! If NJT says photography is legal, the rent-a-fucks are not even worth a shake of a monkey's ass!! |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Mon Mar 8 16:54:52 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Allan on Mon Mar 8 14:58:01 2010. Whether that's true or not,common sense has gone by the wayside....I don't see the problem with what carlos did......Again,this man is defending his right to take photographs,something few and far between are willing to do.....without carlos putting incidents like this to light,things might be worse...... |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 17:37:04 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 8 16:52:55 2010. Lol, yeah I thought about challenging them but they ain't worth it |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 18:08:53 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Allan on Mon Mar 8 15:52:01 2010. I feel it is the other way around - the authorities are inviting press coverage by continuing to harass and challenge photographers. The solution is very simple - treat cameras like the legal piece of equipment they are and leave photographers alone yet for whatever reason the authorities refuse to do this.As for Carlos - he has personally been involved in 2 major incidents. The first one was the incident that prompted the creation of his blog. He was on a public street taking pictures of a police action - something that anyone (especially the pres) is perfectly within their rights to do. He was arrested and convicted for "resisting arrest" but he won the case on appeal - the trial judge was virtually ripped a new one by the appellate court. He was arrested in a similar incident a year later and that one is currently pending. He pursues stories and tries to get pictures of police action - something photojournalists do. For whatever reason police do not like their picture taken and it seems that they are now going to extraordinary lengths to harass press photographers. I support Carlos because without people like him the issue would not be receiving the attention that it does and by now photography on the subway and elsewhere would probably have been effectively banned. If every photographer challenged authority like Carlos does perhaps the cops and their superiors would finally respect the laws as written and stop enforcing frontier justice on the streets. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 18:14:52 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 8 16:52:55 2010. I've called MTA police after heated conversation at Bridgeport, where the Security manager said I had to leave the station because I was breaking the law. In front of him and his employees, the cops told him I could take photos as long as I didn't leave the platform or public access areas. It diffused amicably and I've seen the manager since, but he avoids me now lol. But just to keep things cool, I'll stop by their office and tell them I want to take a few pics and that it's legal blah blah blah and it's been fine there.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 18:19:49 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 18:14:52 2010. I think MNR/MTA PD needs to send notices to the rent-a-cop that photography is legal and to leave non-commercial photographers alone. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 19:40:41 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 18:19:49 2010. I dunno who's telling these jamokes that it's illegal but yeah, cut teh crap-o-la.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 8 19:43:00 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 19:40:41 2010. Yes :) They need to be told |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 20:44:54 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. The rent-a-clods don't know what they're talking about, of course.The real crime, however, is the photo itself. Finger blocking the lens?!?  |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Mar 8 20:46:09 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 18:14:52 2010. Remember, you're trying to explain constitutional rights to people who had difficulty remembering "Medium coffee, cream, one Splenda" at theirprevious place of employment. Lee |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Mar 8 20:47:03 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harassed by 21st Century Rail rent-a-cops, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 20:44:54 2010. OFF WITH HIS 'EAD! Lee |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 20:52:53 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Mar 8 20:46:09 2010. I think that they get a bad rap. They need more training and in many cases they are told to tell people that photography is illegal. They don't know enough to know that it's not.Add to that that there is a prevalent belief in the inner city (at least in LA) that photographers are required to have permission to photograph pretty much any subject. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 8 21:40:22 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 15:08:36 2010.  Look, it's sad that photographers are constantly harassed by the cops, but it doesn't help that so many photographers have this attitude that the Constitution is a legally binding document. If more photographers would just realize that questioning the absolute authority of the police is treason and do whatever they're told with no questions asked, then they wouldn't be harassed. Maybe instead of criticizing cops who are just doing their job, you should be telling photographers not to act like they have a "right" to take pictures just because some god damn piece of paper says that Congress and states shall make no law abridging freedom of speech or of the press.
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 23:01:26 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 20:52:53 2010. Ignorance of the law is no excuse |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:11:26 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 23:01:26 2010. Ignorance of what law? Is there a law that prevents them from telling you not to take pictures?And the ignorance goes both ways. I remember you posted a few links to a photographer in LA - Discarted or something like that - and he thought that LA Union Station was public property and even organized a protest there. In fact LAUS is private property. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 9 00:10:36 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:11:26 2010. Ignorance of what law? Is there a law that prevents them from telling you not to take pictures?If photography is not specifically prohibited then it is legal by default. Besides NJT policy specifically permits photography in all publicly accessible areas so he is wrong on both counts. If we are caught breaking a law the authorities tell us that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" - well sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander... I hold them to the same standard! |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 04:55:43 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harassed by 21st Century Rail rent-a-cops, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 20:44:54 2010. Be fair the reporter did acknowledge his friend isn't a photographer :) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 04:57:52 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 20:52:53 2010. Where us Paul Blart when u need him? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 9 07:54:44 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 18:08:53 2010. >>I feel it is the other way around - the authorities are inviting press coverage by continuing to harass and challenge photographers. The solution is very simple - treat cameras like the legal piece of equipment they are and leave photographers alone yet for whatever reason the authorities refuse to do this.>>The problem is, if they do that, they may be concerned of blowback from those who are paranoid along with in particular families of 9/11 victims, some of whom even eight and a half years later have been unable to move past that day. That's why I think they refuse. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 9 09:59:05 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 9 07:54:44 2010. The problem is, if they do that, they may be concerned of blowback from those who are paranoidThe paranoid will always be paranoid. They need to be TOLD photography is legal. They need to be told that the first amendment has NOT been repealed. They need to be told that AlQuada DID NOT WIN. ROAR |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 9 12:12:12 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harassed by 21st Century Rail rent-a-cops, posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 04:55:43 2010. Heh, right.In any case, I met Miller and we went railfanning together! :D 
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 9 12:19:42 2010, in response to Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by bmtlines on Mon Mar 8 11:08:14 2010. What's interesting is that this was just a personal picture, and not even a picture of mass transit or the parking lot. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 12:53:27 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harassed by 21st Century Rail rent-a-cops, posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 9 12:12:12 2010. Lol, :-) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 9 13:06:41 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 9 07:54:44 2010. Which is one of the reasons I would like to see a class action suit against camera manufacturers for failing to warn consumers that "use of their product in public may cause undue stress due to police harassment".Then let the manufacturers and their resources lobby the government for change! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 9 13:10:55 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 15:21:10 2010. I only advocate this behavior when dealing with the kind who act like real cops. If the rent-a-cops are minding their own business, leave them alone. They probably have second jobs to go to! |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 13:13:39 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 9 13:06:41 2010. You're quite mad you know! ;) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Mar 9 13:42:55 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 8 15:21:10 2010. Exactly, I agree.My type of respect (which I always do to every officer(s) I encounter) does not extend to rent-a-cops who have no authority making their own laws. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Tue Mar 9 16:49:27 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harrassed by New Jersey Transit, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 13:13:39 2010. Here is where I got the ideaI purchased a product - the first sentence in the instruction manual was: "1. remove product from box - do not try to operate it without removing packing material first" So apparently that manufacturer was aware that some customer tried to plug it in while still in the box and before removing the packing material. I am just extending that comcept to the issue of photography - the camera manufacturers are now well aware that 1. governments are engaged in encouraging their police departments to harass photographers 2. harassment causes stress Therefore hold the manufacturers liable for failing to warn. The manufacturers in turn will be forced to defend their products Am I taking it to the extreme - sure :) As long as government is intent on continuing its war against photography I will support all options to fight back |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 18:52:40 2010, in response to Re: Visiting Photojournalist Harassed by 21st Century Rail rent-a-cops, posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 9 12:12:12 2010. What's up with that long fingernayl? |
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