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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 19:40:15 2010 From Trains Magazine News Wire......New London to get second daily commuter train Published: Thursday, February 04, 2010 NEW LONDON, Conn. — Amtrak will begin operating a second daily Stamford-to-New London, Conn., round trip on Feb. 16, Connecticut's The Day newspaper has reported. Gov. M. Jodi Rell announced the service expansion yesterday, part of the state's Shore Line East commuter service, which Amtrak operates under contract. The new train will leave New London at 5:53 a.m., arrive at New Haven at 7:03, and Stamford at 7:54. On its return trip, it'll depart Stamford at 4:46 p.m., arrive at New Haven at 5:42, and New London at 6:52. Rell said service would expand by four additional round trips later this year. But agitators for additional service said the announcement falls short of what's needed. "Call me back when they get train service to New London," said Todd O'Donnell, a member of the One More Stop coalition. "This is what we worked for? One more train?" |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 8 20:31:31 2010, in response to CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 19:40:15 2010. LOL @ "agitators". I dunno, I'd like to see the ridership. Granted, hitting NLC at 6:52 pm is a little better than 7:40 pm but that 7:40 train was nearly empty anytime I've seen it. I'd like to see how the ridership is on the Amtrak trains that honor SLE multitrip tickets, too.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 8 21:02:32 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 8 20:31:31 2010. Don't knock the only mass transit organization around here that's actually increasing service. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:10:33 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 8 20:31:31 2010. I think they should give CDOT/Shore Line East some respect. Much like Chris said, at least they are actually talking of increasing service!! Not like 3 large NY-area rail/transit agencies who are talking all about cuts, cuts, cuts!!! |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 8 21:12:10 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 8 21:02:32 2010. LOL that's due to "agitation".your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:16:13 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 8 21:12:10 2010. And an attempt at "Appeasement" :-D |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 8 21:26:11 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 8 20:31:31 2010. Those two trains operated before service was reduced. New London has never been a very large market. Seldom did more that a handful of people ride those trains. And the ones who have been riding Acela for monthly commuter fares will probably be S.O.L. after this week. Lee |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 8 21:28:15 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:10:33 2010. I'm happy for them and maybe the trains will now carry 8 passengers to New London instead of 4.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 8 21:30:52 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:10:33 2010. Not like 3 large NY-area rail/transit agencies who are talking all about cuts, cuts, cuts!!!I don't see you taking a wage and benefits cut to ensure that service isn't cut... |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 8 21:32:09 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 8 21:26:11 2010. Until new stations are built between Old Saybrook and New London, it just doesn't make sense to me why those trains should run an extra 36 miles each (they have to deadhead to and from). There should be stations at Sound View (Old Lyme), East Lyme/Niantic, and Waterford. But the man who owns New London Union Station has been pushing for this probably has been playing hardball with Amtrak about some financial dealings, I would guess. I know when he phoned me, he told me he had ways to exert pressure. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 21:35:07 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 8 21:32:09 2010. Yes, they clearly need to restore stations in those towns east of Old Saybrook. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:39:43 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 8 21:30:52 2010. If you were in my position, would you wanna do that????? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 21:49:10 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:39:43 2010. If you were in my position, would you wanna do that?????Its always easy to say those things when you arent in somebody else's postion... |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 22:35:32 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:39:43 2010. This isn't about him. You're the one who is bitching about service cuts, so why don't you become the change you want to see? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 23:20:29 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 21:49:10 2010. Its always easy to say those things when you arent in somebody else's postion...That's true, but there are only so many options. Here, they are: 1. Raise fares - this hurts farepayers. 2. Increase subsidies - this hurts taxpayers, and moreover, it's not a realistic option at the present time. 3. Cut service - this hurts farepayers and employees. 4. Lower wages/layoff employees - this hurts employees. TMP naturally opposes (4). Option (2) is off the table. And farepayers like Mr. AEM-7AC #901 oppose (1). MTA ordered MNCR to reduce their budget, so what else is left to do? Personally, I think that the MNCR cuts aren't much to complain about. NYCT riders will get hit a lot harder by the revision of the loading guidelines, e.g., midday 7 trains are operating SRO at 12 tph, so it's not going to be pretty with less trains. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:22:54 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 23:20:29 2010. NYCT riders will get hit a lot harder by the revision of the loading guidelines, e.g., midday 7 trains are operating SRO at 12 tph, so it's not going to be pretty with less trains.They have been doing it already so to speak.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:24:59 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 22:35:32 2010. He isnt the only one bitching about service cuts...Where have you been? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 23:28:56 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:22:54 2010. They have been doing it already so to speak....Have they? From what I can tell, it's still 12 tph. Not actually evenly spaced, though, contrary to what the schedule says! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 23:30:34 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:10:33 2010. I think they should give CDOT/Shore Line East some respect.By the way, is CT DOT up to date with payments to MNCR? I'd heard that they weren't. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 8 23:30:51 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:39:43 2010. If you were in my position, would you wanna do that?????Given that your employer is cutting services due to declining tax revenues from its dedicated and state & local funded sources, the choice is either for the employees (management, back office, and front line) to take a wage/salary and benefit cut of some type, watch fares go up while service frequency decreases, or increase current tax rates or even create new tax revenue streams. Or do you have a better solution? :-) |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 23:43:55 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:24:59 2010. Of course he's not the only one bitching about them. But he's certainly among those who are both bitching about the service cuts and in a direct position to do something about the economics that require them. It's mildly hypocritical to demand improved service while being a drag on the system's bottom line.NYCT already got their free labor out of me. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:45:19 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 23:28:56 2010. No not with the 7 Line im talking in general.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:47:00 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 23:43:55 2010. But he's certainly among those who are both bitching about the service cuts and in a direct position to do something about the economics that require them.As in givebacks??? Just spill it out.... It's mildly hypocritical to demand improved service while being a drag on the system's bottom line. A drag How?? Spill it out... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:48:40 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 8 23:30:51 2010. Given that your employer is cutting services due to declining tax revenues from its dedicated and state & local funded sources, the choice is either for the employees (management, back office, and front line) to take a wage/salary and benefit cut of some typeAll i have been hearing mostly here is the workers "giveback".. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 00:47:24 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Railman718 on Mon Feb 8 23:48:40 2010. All i have been hearing mostly here is the workers "giveback"..I think that's the only choice given the current situation, and I suspect that this may be something that affects all state and municipal employees (at all levels), especially in light of increasing pension and health insurance costs, and in the particular case of NYCTA, high debt servicing costs. Otherwise, I given the alternatives, a pay cut is certainly better than layoffs, and a service that's so unattractive, that even the employees eschew its use isn't ideal either. BTW, I know people who work at NYCTA, and my dad was a decade long civil servant so I aim to avoid the anti-government employee rhetoric. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 9 04:07:31 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 21:16:13 2010. I joke about it and the 8 riders and all but there should be end to end rail service here other than Amtrak and ridership could increase with better train availability. There were only a handful of passengers riding when they began weekend service and that number went up, so it's worth a shot to see if these "agitators" have the passengers they claim. If it doesn't work they can always cut it.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Feb 9 07:17:02 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 00:47:24 2010. I think that's the only choice given the current situation, and I suspect that this may be something that affects all state and municipal employees (at all levels), especially in light of increasing pension and health insurance costs, and in the particular case of NYCTA, high debt servicing costs. Otherwise, I given the alternatives, a pay cut is certainly better than layoffs, and a service that's so unattractive, that even the employees eschew its use isn't ideal either.In some cases it can be but its up to the Unions to work with the bosses neither of us know whats going down so... BTW, I know people who work at NYCTA, and my dad was a decade long civil servant so I aim to avoid the anti-government employee rhetoric. Never mentioned anything about your situation but thanks. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 9 08:23:09 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 8 21:26:11 2010. That's too bad as that Acela deal was sweet.I have mixed feelings but think they should try it and the numbers will decide. If it's a dog they'll cut it. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 9 10:33:32 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 8 23:30:51 2010. If they were a corporation, and not a jobs program... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Feb 9 11:58:37 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 22:35:32 2010. What the hell are you talking about??? I made a general comment, no one was "bitching" about anything!!! "Bitching" is if I was ranting and raving about the cuts, about possible layoffs and the like!! Quit trolling, or know what you are talking about before making comments!! Engage brain first, then type!! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Feb 9 13:40:25 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Feb 9 11:58:37 2010. Paul did you forget this bit of insight from a fellow SubChatter??Annoying, aggravating and nit-picking people takes about as much intelligence as a bowel movement. It isn't a demonstation of intelligence but an example of supidity. Food for thought there buddy! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Feb 9 15:04:10 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Railman718 on Tue Feb 9 13:40:25 2010. Yummy!! :-D LOL |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 9 15:34:46 2010, in response to CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 19:40:15 2010. Good.And I think new stations between OSB and NLC are good ideas, especially in Niantic -- someday. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Feb 9 15:46:31 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 9 15:34:46 2010. I think it is always good to hear services being increased, even if by one a round trip. That's a step in the right direction always. |
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Posted by xtimx on Tue Feb 9 22:44:31 2010, in response to CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Feb 8 19:40:15 2010. anyone know what crew base works these trains? new haven amtrak crews i assume? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 9 23:14:46 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 8 21:32:09 2010. They might need a station in Niantic but Waterford and Old Lyme are close enough to existing stations to be unnecessary until the best of economic times and even then are superfluous.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Feb 10 04:25:41 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by xtimx on Tue Feb 9 22:44:31 2010. Corect the SLE jobs are New Haven based Amtrak crews.On MNCR(west of New Haven) the SLE trains are operated by MNCR crews out of New Haven. |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Wed Feb 10 08:50:17 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 9 23:14:46 2010. Waterford is most necessary because of the parking situation in New London, and people will not drive east to travel west. The next station west is Old Saybrook, 18 miles from New London. Lee |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 10 12:17:08 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Feb 10 04:25:41 2010. So there's a crew change in NH? |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Wed Feb 10 12:26:47 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 10 12:17:08 2010. Yes. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 10 12:46:45 2010, in response to Re: CDOT/Shore Line East to add an additional New London - Stamford round trip, posted by ebtmikado on Wed Feb 10 08:50:17 2010. There's a parking garage near NL Union Station that's never full.It takes 15 minutes to drive from New London to Old Saybrook anyway, and it takes same if not less from Waterford. That's not unreasonable drive time to a suburban train station. When you look at siting possibilities for a station in Waterford you're almost in New London anyway. Millstone, Harkness, you're getting toward Miner Lane anyway, whoops, we're in New London. your pal, Fred |
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