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Photos: BMT "C" Types |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009 From a recently acquired collection of C-Type pictures     
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Dec 30 20:54:10 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. Great Pictures! Certainly not the prettiest cars. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 30 20:58:25 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. Great pictures. Note the differnces in the doors between the first two cars and the rest.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 21:20:02 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Dec 30 20:54:10 2009. They were official BMT Corporate photos |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Dec 30 21:23:54 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. Wow! You're right Bob - not the prettiest cars, but, they form my very earliest and vague memories of NYC Transit. I was born in 1951 two blocks from the Linwood Sta of the Fulton and these were the cars on that line then. Of course, the Pitkin section of that el was removed in 1956 and so I have just 5 yrs of memories of these case, but the memories are there-none the less. i recall them stopped at the station and listening to the strange tweeeting sound, which I now know as the compressors. These pits are wonderful - the "C"'s when they were young! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 21:34:09 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Dec 30 21:23:54 2009. Here are two more showing the unique connection between cars. Perhaps the MTA can take lessons from this as a way of allowing free movement between cars once more. Note that the cars were not truly articulated like the D-Types 
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Dec 30 21:36:40 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types - 2 more, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 21:34:09 2009. Like long haul coaches... Pullmans. Never noticed that. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 30 21:38:12 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. WOW nice......WE-44 |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Dec 30 21:42:27 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 21:20:02 2009. I guess that's CI Yard? |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Dec 30 21:42:27 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 21:20:02 2009. I guess that's CI Yard? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed Dec 30 21:43:26 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. The last photo appeared in the Gene Samsone book. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 30 21:46:25 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. I've seen plenty of exterior pictures of the "C" cars but this is the first time I've ever seen interior pictures. I didn't think any BMT cars had longitudinal seating. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 21:48:26 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Dec 30 21:42:27 2009. Yes -- I believe the pictures were taken in CI yard. One of them has identifying information on the back including the date the photo was taken: 5/18/1936 |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 21:57:43 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Dec 30 21:43:26 2009. Don't worry I didn't copy it from the book :) I presume that several prints were made and many got into the hands of collectors over the years.Here is another version of the last picture with the doors open:  |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 22:48:17 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. Very nice!Question about the heaters - are they underseat? Re: seats, interesting that they're exclusively orthogonal to the direction of motion in that era. Also re: seats, they don't look too comfortable, although the light from the long windows looks great! |
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Posted by newlots#2 on Thu Dec 31 00:54:04 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 30 22:48:17 2009. No fans, must've been brutal in the summer. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 31 07:57:13 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. They had the same, "Please keep hands OFF door" label as the BMT standards and Triplexes. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 31 13:47:07 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by newlots#2 on Thu Dec 31 00:54:04 2009. None of the BMT el cars had fans until the Qs got them in the 1960s to compensate for the loss of the vents when the roofs were lowered. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Thu Dec 31 15:38:13 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by newlots#2 on Thu Dec 31 00:54:04 2009. Not as bad as you might think. The windows opened quite wide and the roof vents helped a lot. Quite often front and rear doors were also left open - there was quite a bit of cross ventilation... |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Dec 31 15:39:44 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by bmtlines on Thu Dec 31 15:38:13 2009. ...and they never operated in subway tunnels. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Thu Dec 31 15:40:39 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 31 07:57:13 2009. Yup - and of note the BMT had the courtesy to say PLEASE. The City preferred rude commands like "Keep Hands Off Doors"... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 31 15:40:59 2009, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. Nice.Not the all longitudinal seating, though. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Dec 31 17:48:16 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 30 21:46:25 2009. These were the only ones from the early days that were seated like that. The next cars to feature them were the R27/30's in '61.-wayne- |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 31 22:57:31 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by bmtlines on Thu Dec 31 15:40:39 2009. The R-1/9s and all SMEEs through the R-42s had, "Please keep hands" "Off the doors" labels originally. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 31 22:58:58 2009, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Dec 31 17:48:16 2009. Followed by the R-32s, R-38s, R-40s and R-42s. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jan 1 00:43:07 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 31 22:58:58 2009. And, ultimately, the crap we are besieged with today.-w- |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 1 09:26:18 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 31 13:47:07 2009. Too bad when they rebuilt a set of Q's back to being Gate cars, they couldn't rebuild one of the 3 to replicate a "C" car. They were all identical 1200 & 1400 series gate cars to begin with. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 1 13:34:38 2010, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. Check out the doors in the fourth pic. External door pockets? Were these standard or just an experiment? |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 1 14:18:17 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 31 13:47:07 2009. None of the BMT el cars had fans until the Qs got them in the 1960s to compensate for the loss of the vents when the roofs were lowered.Is there any truth that the fans on the Q-Types were salvaged from the scrapped Multi Section cars ? That would put it about the same time. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 1 14:21:31 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 1 14:18:17 2010. That is quite possible - I've seen pictures of Q-Types with fans identical to the Multis yet I have also sen other pictures where the fans resemble typical household fans of the period |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 1 14:28:16 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 1 13:34:38 2010. This is how the C-types were constructed. They were rebuilt from el cars so I guess there was no room for a door pocket without a major reconstruction. All the BMT did was cut open a hole for the door, they did not construct door pockets or modify the main body of the car.The Q-types were given door pockets. I believe it was easier because the doors are closer to the ends of the cars. Since the car end was reconstructed entirely it would have been an easier installation |
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Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 14:36:04 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 1 13:34:38 2010. The first 2 C types which initially kept their original gate car numbers were built like that. They also had the M/M's cab extended to the full width of the skirts and inside door controls. They were subsequently renumbered to 1500 A, B, C and 1501 A, B, C and had the cabs narrowed to the width of the actual car body and outside door controls like the rest of the car fleet. I rode the last remaining one of the oddballs 1501 in 1956 just before Fulton shut down and it also seemed to me that the M/M's cab door opened backwards to form a transverse cab like the multis and unlike the rest of the C type fleet had a conventional BU type controller instead of the subway type controller that was removed when the steels were unitized in the 1920s. Unfortunately, I was only 11 at the time and nowhere near as equipment savvy as I have become in recent years so my memories of the only time I rode the C types are fuzzy at best. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 1 14:45:42 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 14:36:04 2010. C type fleet had a conventional BU type controller instead of the subway type controller that was removed when the steels were unitized in the 1920s.That raises a question, what became of all those surplus controllers when the Standards became "B" units ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 15:06:14 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 14:36:04 2010. Maybe you can help me.Someone gave me a pair of handles years ago. One is a steel-looking brake handle, and the other is a brass master controller handle with a brown plastic top, apparently with a dead man feature. I *believe* they belong to the BU cars (donor walked into my office, put them on my desk, and walked out, lol). Any ideas? Is this the equipment they told us about in B-1 School Car where the brake handle and master controller positions were reversed, and BMT motormen would operate with their hands/wrists/arms crossed? I also picked up a set of keys in the J line crew room when they were above a store front at Sutphin Blvd.,IIRC. One is clearly labeled B.R.T., about an inch and a half long, steelish quality; another is brass and a little over an inch long; the last (3 copies) appears to be a door key, and a forerunner of the R-key. Again, any ideas? TIA. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 15:36:07 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 15:06:14 2010. Does the brake handle have a bend in it and a spring loaded plunger? As for the controller handle, the BU master controller was vertical instead of horizontal and moving the controller to the right moved the train forward and to the left was reverse. Initially, the BUs did not have a true deadman's feature, but the controller was spring loaded and releasing the handle merely removed power from the traction motors by returning the controller to the off position. In the 1920s, an air valve was retrofitted to the shaft on the controller and the first point which had been a switching position now became a coasting position ad allowing the controller to spring back to the fully upright position placed the brakes in emergency. The resulting modification had the side effect of eliminating the switching position and until their retirement, the BUs and the Qs which had the same controllers only had series and multiple positions. All BMT prewar equipment except for the multis had the brake on the left and the controller on the right and I never saws any BMT M/M operating with hands crossed. W all operated with the hands in the proper position since thats what we were used to. I never even saw an IRT M/M on the 3 Av el operating Qs with hans crossed even though standard Manhattan el cars had the brake on the right and controller on the left. the BMT was not the only rapid transit system to have the controller and brake valves reversed. All of the pre war Boston rapid transit cars as well as San Francisco's Key system cars had the controller on the right and brake on the left. The keys yo found in the crew room would be a set of old BMT keys. If the 1 1/2 in long BRT key is hollow at the end it is probably a cab door key for the el cars. The brass key is in all likelihood a switch lock key which some BMT M/M might have to unlock hand switches in some yards where a hand switchman might not be on full time duty. The last key which you say there are 3 of would be the standard BMT door key used to lock the end (bulkhead) doors on all the BMT cars as well as the cab doors and door controls on the subway cars. 3 of those keys were needed due to the unique wiring system on the steels which I explained in another thread about the door controls on the BMT steels. Is there also another "key" which is basically a straight metal shaft resembling an old fashioned sardine can opener? If there is, that would be the plunger used to open a single set of center doors on the steels from the outside like keying open the single side (emergency) door panel on current NYCT equipment. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 15:49:31 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 1 14:45:42 2010. You misread my syntax. What I said was that with the possible exception of 1500 and 1501, the rest of the C type fleet had the surplus master controllers that were removed from the steels when they were unitized in the 1920s. I often wondered if there were sufficient steel controllers left to have done the same thing with the Qs when they were rebuilt. |
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Posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 15:57:32 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 15:36:07 2010. "Does the brake handle have a bend in it and a spring loaded plunger?"Yes; and if inserted in today's brake valve one would appear to be operating topside. The head looks like it has broken a few locks in its day. "but the controller was spring loaded and releasing the handle merely removed power from the traction motors by returning the controller to the off position." That could be it. Depressing the button lifts a contact (lever action). Releasing the button allows the contact to drop and complete some type of circuit I imagine. "All BMT prewar equipment except for the multis had the brake on the left and the controller on the right and I never saws any BMT M/M operating with hands crossed." Then George Cooney misspoke, or I misunderstood him (quite possible, newbie from Surface). "If the 1 1/2 in long BRT key is hollow at the end it is probably a cab door key for the el cars." It is hollow. "The brass key is in all likelihood a switch lock key" It's also hollow, if that's any help. Appears to be the manufacturer's name on the back, but too worn to decipher it with my tired old eyes, even with the aid of a magnifying glass. "3 of those keys were needed due to the unique wiring system on the steels" That's interesting. And I thought I had to carry a lot of keys as a M/I (a variation on the "have handles, will travel", lol). "Is there also another "key" which is basically a straight metal shaft resembling an old fashioned sardine can opener?" Yes there is. I neglected to mention that one because a lot of RCI's in the eighties carried something similar to clear gum and other debris out of the R-46 side door cut-out switches. Thanks again. By the way, the last unpromoted Schedule Maker worked for me in RTO, Danny S., you probably know him. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 16:12:16 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 15:57:32 2010. I do indeed remember Danny since we worked together before the sched office went managerial. I neglected to mention that the button on the controller handle was merely to allow the metal contact to rise past the raised points on the front of the controller box itself. You needed to depress the button to get from off position to the first point which was coast. The you would again depress the button to get to the next point and so on. However, if you depressed the button and kept it in, you could advance the controller all the way to multiple without stopping. On the back of the controller box, there was a small lever that would cut out the dead man's feature and allow the M/M to release the handle without a BIE at stations where the train was being held for a connection.As soon as the controller was moved to the first point, the lever would release and the dead man's feature would again become enabled. You may have misunderstood George since I worked with him and I can't imagine him ever saying anything like that. By the way, the switch lock key was also hollow so that's probably what you have. Have you come across an old BMT reverse with the brake plug attached and a BMT hammerhead brake handle. |
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Posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 16:25:10 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 16:12:16 2010. "Have you come across an old BMT reverse with the brake plug attached and a BMT hammerhead brake handle."No and no. I've seen the hammerhead brake handle in CIY, but don't have one. I do have a strange looking stubby reverser with two tits on the upper and lower side. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Jan 1 17:06:43 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 1 09:26:18 2010. Yea, those C types were ugly but did a good job of service, it would've been good to see these rebuilt as well as they were a part of transit history. Karl M |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Jan 1 18:37:54 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 16:25:10 2010. Stubby reverser with a square raised projection at the fork?That's an IRT Hi-V key. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Jan 1 18:43:54 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 15:06:14 2010. The BRT/BMT storm door key looks like a smaller version of a SMEEA division storm door key, except there is a little offset in the blade. The BRT elevated division cab door key is a barrel key, i.e. the business end of the key is hollowed out. It looks like a typical RR switch padlock key but much smaller, maybe 2" log and the barrel ID is about 3/16". I've operated elevated equipment with the "backwards" controller and brake positions and more traditional stuff such as R-9 sometimes within minutes of each other and never felt any urge to cross hands. The el cars with the M-19 brake valves had a lap position at 6 oclock, whereas ME-23 valves have lap more like 7:30. And of course the elevated controllers look like old-style manual elevator controls. So there is no confusion...it's a totally different feel. But I can imagine going between D types and R9s might be tough. |
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Posted by f179dj on Fri Jan 1 20:05:25 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Jan 1 18:43:54 2010. Your description of the keys closely matches what I have. And yes, this controller handle looks like a manual elevator handle (I operated such in a hospital as a volunteer while in college). |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Fri Jan 1 20:19:18 2010, in response to Photos: BMT "C" Types, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 30 20:05:06 2009. These cars have a sort of cobbled charm all their own. For the times they were used, they did the best with what they had. They look so cool! Thank you. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 1 22:50:09 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Dec 30 21:23:54 2009. I liked the second picture, which showed FULTON FERRY destination. What year was that one taken? I never saw a photo of a "C" at Fulton Ferry. By the way, demolition of the Pitkin section of the Fulton Street el began at 75th street on Jan 8th, 1958. i believe it proceeded west towards Atlantic Ave from there. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 2 02:13:45 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Jan 1 18:37:54 2010. Also worked Lo-Vs and other prewar IRT equipment. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 3 05:50:52 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 1 15:49:31 2010. You misread my syntax. What I said was that with the possible exception of 1500 and 1501, the rest of the C type fleet had the surplus master controllers that were removed from the steels when they were unitized in the 1920s.Okay, I see now. I've never seen a photo of a "C" Type cab, so I wasn't sure if they had the old "BU" style" controllers. I often wondered if there were sufficient steel controllers left to have done the same thing with the Qs when they were rebuilt. If there were any left over, I assume they were retained as spares. The BMT in those days didn't scrap anything unless it was a last resort. Using the surplus controllers for the "C" Types was an example of that. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 3 15:36:03 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Jan 1 18:43:54 2010. Big Ed says he could back and forth between BMT equipment and SMEEs and R-1/9s with no problems. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 3 15:40:35 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jan 3 05:50:52 2010. I tend to agree, but it probably would have been just as convenient to retain the old BU type controllers on the Cs as it was for the Qs later on. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 3 15:50:55 2010, in response to Re: Photos: BMT ''C'' Types, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 3 15:36:03 2010. So could I and did. Big Ed was about the only Vacation Relief M/M ahead of me in seniority who I had to worry about since most of the other V/R M/M wanted to keep away form Qs steels and R-9s and operate SMEE equipment. I remember breaking in a M/M on R-9s who had transferred from the IRT where he had only operated SMEE equipment. He couldn't operate an R-9 if his life depended on it, although he must have eventually learned because he picked a run on Myrtle which was soon to become a straight M run. |
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