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Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009 More work to be done this time with the suspension cables....BTW look for the "noticeable" mistake regarding one of the lines... Can you say Delta to 34th? |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 30 10:56:54 2009, in response to Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009. Not the suspension cables; the suspender cables. These are the cables from the main suspension cables that attach to the roadway. |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Fri Oct 30 10:58:39 2009, in response to Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009. Wow, this again? |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:59:14 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 30 10:56:54 2009. Im just saying what the article said..Vertical suspension cbales... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:59:30 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:59:14 2009. Opps cables.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 11:00:00 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by lrg5784 on Fri Oct 30 10:58:39 2009. It wont be as bad though on the weekends..So they say..... |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Oct 30 11:40:17 2009, in response to Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009. BTW look for the "noticeable" mistake regarding one of the lines...I sent an email to Patrick McGeehan, the writer of the story, about the mistake in his article. |
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Posted by caine515 on Fri Oct 30 11:51:16 2009, in response to Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009. it will be like this:"Q" local via tunnel with "N" Canal St to Dekalb Av. this could happen on weekends and nights. 2 "D" services. One from Coney Island to 36th St. The second from 2nd Av to 205th St with either a shuttle train from Grand St or shuttle bus. This is weekend shutdown. Does this seem right? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 11:51:43 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Oct 30 11:40:17 2009. Excellent... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 11:53:16 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by caine515 on Fri Oct 30 11:51:16 2009. It does to me now i dont know if they are going to be working during the nightime hrs..Lets see whay insane plan OP comes up with heh heh... |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Fri Oct 30 12:32:48 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 11:00:00 2009. Yeah, it's only weekend work. I wonder why the Brooklyn Bridge isn't as troublesome as the Manny-B, but from what I heard, the Brooklyn Bridge is in poorer condition than the Manhattan Bridge does, which ranks in "fair" condition. (From a NYC bridge analysis report I saw on TV some tome ago, last year to be exact.) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Oct 30 12:55:18 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 11:53:16 2009. Lets see whay insane plan OP comes up with heh heh...The E to and from 34/6 (with one way direction along 63rd tunnel) was insane enough on weekends, this past week it also happened at 10 PM weeknights - - both express tracks are out meaning that FOUR lines (B, D, F and V) were all on the local track in each direction of travel for the next hour before B and V service would end for the night. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 12:57:07 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 11:53:16 2009. Darn i meant what... |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Fri Oct 30 13:07:03 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 12:57:07 2009. Lol! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 30 13:34:50 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by caine515 on Fri Oct 30 11:51:16 2009. It might make more sense to turn the uptown Ds at Bway/Laff B3 tk like the Fs did pre Chrystie and have a single tk shuttle on B4 between Bway/Laff and Grand. That would eliminate the need for the Ds to use the Xover N/O W 4 St and it wouldn't interfere with the Fs. Continuing problems with the manny B are good reasons to build a transfer point between the Prince St station and Bway/Laff since they are so close anyhow. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 30 13:51:29 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 30 13:34:50 2009. they should have built the connector line between the Manny B/Flatbush av tunnel and Rugers/Jay st Tunnel. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 30 14:31:06 2009, in response to Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009. Hmmm... there is a strange sense of déjà vu about this one.Perhaps it'll be: (B) to 34/6 (D) in two sections: 205-34 and 36-CI (M) suspended south of Chambers (N) via the Rathole and Broadway/4th Av Local (Q) via the Rathole and Broadway Local to Astoria (R) as normal (V) to CI with the (F) (W) suspended |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Oct 30 14:44:15 2009, in response to Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009. Didn't they just spend the better part of 13 years fixing that damn bridge? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 14:49:48 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 30 14:31:06 2009. Remember the work is "scheduled" to be done on the weekends. Maybe you need to look at what you just said.;o) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 30 15:00:29 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by lrg5784 on Fri Oct 30 12:32:48 2009. The 'poor' rating for the Brooklyn bridge has more to do with roadway dimensions than anything else. The work being done for the Manhattan Bridge was done on the Brooklyn Bridge a few decades ago. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 30 15:03:34 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Oct 30 14:44:15 2009. The roadways and decks, not the suspender cables. Once those are replaced, all that's original will be the towers, anchorages, and main cables. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 30 16:49:07 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 30 15:03:34 2009. So why didn't the DOT replace ALL defective parts at the same time including the suspender cables? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 30 17:00:58 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 14:49:48 2009. Most likely:D 205th to 34th D Stilwell to 36th/Bklyn N Via Montague Q Via Montague, express north of Canal That assumes that both sides are closed at the same time. If not: North Side closure: D's from Brooklyn routed to 57th/7th or Times Sq. via Broadway D's from Bronx terminated at 34th. N's Via Montague South Side closure: N&Q's Via Montague, Q's express north of Canal |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 30 17:40:25 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 14:49:48 2009. If they stick to schedule, it might be welcome back for the yellow D. But I somehow am expecting a return to the "What were those disused platforms at Canal St for?" FAQ... |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 30 17:41:59 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 30 16:49:07 2009. Perhaps then they might have realized it was cheaper to cut their losses and build a new bridge from scratch. Only the Queensboro Bridge is arguably even worse... |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 30 17:53:06 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by caine515 on Fri Oct 30 11:51:16 2009. Here's what I would do.Weekdays: B, D suspended in Brooklyn, operating from the Bronx to 34th Street. M extended to Coney Island via West End. N, Q operate via tunnel; N local, Q express north of Canal Street. W suspended. Weekends: D suspended in Brooklyn, operating from the Bronx to 34th Street. E, G operate local in Queens. J terminates at Myrtle/Broadway M extended to Coney Island via West End. N, Q operate via tunnel; N local, Q express north of 34th Street. R shuttle at all times between Bay Ridge and 36th Street/4th Avenue. All Times: Shuttle operates between Grand Street and West 4th Street. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 30 18:28:56 2009, in response to Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Fri Oct 30 10:52:22 2009. Flashbacks of the 1980s and 90's!! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Oct 30 20:32:37 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 30 17:00:58 2009. North Side closure:D's from Brooklyn routed to 57th/7th or Times Sq. via Broadway D's from Bronx terminated at 34th. N's Via Montague If that is the case, wonder if any enterprising T/O (or is it the C/R?) will use the yellow D? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Oct 30 20:40:27 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 30 17:53:06 2009. Can the M alone handle all of the West End line? Why not just extend the W to West End? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 30 21:45:05 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 30 13:51:29 2009. True, very true. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 30 21:47:26 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Oct 30 20:40:27 2009. Capacity issues in the Montague St. tunnel. I'd run the Wilbur down the West End and have the Moe not use the tunnel at all. |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Oct 30 21:48:13 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Oct 30 20:40:27 2009. Not with the N, R, and Q already going through Montague under that scenario. Sending the W down to help the M on the West End would result in 5 services between Broad/Whitehall Sts. and Dekalb Av. Combine all that with slow switching maneuvers and timers at both ends, and you got yourself a nice big logjam at rush hour. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 30 21:49:28 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Oct 30 17:41:59 2009. I think by the time they realized that it was too late - they'd already sunk enough money into fixing that bridge. Maybe B. O. can pluck a few bills from his personal money tree and send them along to NYC... |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Oct 30 22:17:11 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 30 21:47:26 2009. I agree, you can then give Wilbur/Whiskey the R68's from the D and give West End riders a full train and a direct to Midtown line. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Oct 30 22:19:22 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Oct 30 21:48:13 2009. True.I say: cut the N to 59th-4th Av and extend the Q to Astoria [if needed]. Also a 'no' to the M being extended to cover for the D, but run the W instead. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 30 23:02:18 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 30 10:56:54 2009. You cannot possibly expect a reporter to get things right.ROAR |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 30 23:59:21 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by caine515 on Fri Oct 30 11:51:16 2009. It would make more sense from me to have the D run eight 60-foot cars and terminate at Essex on the weekends. This would benefit J riders heading to upper Manhattan and the Bronx, who would be able to make one less transfer in doing so. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 31 00:04:51 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 30 13:34:50 2009. Actually, as said in another post, have the Manhattan D's be eight 60-footers and have those run to Essex instead of 2nd Avenue. That would allow for J riders to get a transfer they normally don't have, at least for those weekends.Those could potentially also double as a test, perhaps having the D in this setup even go to Metropolitan for a few weekends (replacing the M in Brooklyn and Queens) in this split as an experiment. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 00:22:41 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 30 23:59:21 2009. If that's the case, you may as well just run the M all the way to Coney Island then. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Oct 31 00:28:07 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 00:22:41 2009. What I would be doing is an experiment to take advantage of the split D service if that were to be done.I wonder if they would also look at having the D run the route it did in the early '80s when the Bridge was out and use the Chrystie connection via essex to get to Coney Island via Montauge? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Oct 31 02:16:28 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 30 16:49:07 2009. It's not possible to do all that work at once. You need heavy equipment to to the deck and support beam jobs; you need a good amount of redundancy to replace suspenders. If they replaced the suspenders and depended on other suspenders connected to failing roadway members, you end up with catastrophe. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 02:36:25 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Oct 31 02:16:28 2009. If you have to shut down the bridge for anything, you might as well shut it down for everything. I can't see how it is impossible to do the entire job at once. All it takes is intelligence which it is obvious that nobody in any of the city or state government has. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 02:50:54 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Oct 30 21:48:13 2009. What rush Hour? The OP clearly stated that the service adjustments were to be weekends only! |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 04:24:01 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 02:36:25 2009. Lol government and intelligence in the same sentence? Never gonna happen. Government is a big money waster. 'Do the bare minimum' = 'costly overruns' |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Oct 31 07:14:34 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 02:36:25 2009. It's physics and engineering, not intelligence.Lift 100lbs, and hold it above your head for 15 seconds. Now, do the same thing, but shift the weight so the majority of it is on your left side instead of even. A lot harder to hold it up now, isn't it? Next, do it with just one arm. That's about as basic an explanation as I can give you for what the job entails. Oh, and do the job wrong, and you have even more problems. After all the suspenders are replaced, they then need to be 'tuned'. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Oct 31 08:24:27 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 02:50:54 2009. Plus the W doesn't run weekends and the M is only a shuttle on weekends. I guess you can run the W anyway on weekend although I wouldn't advice it as it will confuse people. The M likeley would not be able to be extended on weekends due to normal GO's on the J. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Oct 31 09:22:53 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 02:50:54 2009. The OP clearly stated that the service adjustments were to be weekends only!Finally somebody must have read the article... ;o) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Oct 31 09:28:20 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 30 13:34:50 2009. The Bway-Lafayette to Prince transfer would be nice, however since it is just as easy to use the downtown 6 to Canal, the costs of building the transfer are not worth it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:36:40 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Oct 30 22:17:11 2009. I like Wilma, too.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:37:11 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Oct 30 22:19:22 2009. No Moe.:) |
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