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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:37:58 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by arnine on Sat Oct 31 08:24:27 2009. The Wilbur/Wilma used to run on weekends before the last "final" round of bridge repairs. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:39:02 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 04:24:01 2009. You got that right. They seem to think money grows on trees. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:39:36 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Oct 31 07:14:34 2009. I have a tuning hammer.:) |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Oct 31 09:54:59 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Railman718 on Sat Oct 31 09:22:53 2009. Weekend service pattern:1]Split D services: 205-Grand St/57-7Av-Coney Island via Montague tunnel. 2]N via tunnel D and N local in Brooklyn 3]Q via tunnel, extended to Forest Hills via the R 4]R shuttle in Brooklyn 36 to 95 Sts Brooklyn That is the most logical pattern to work around the Manhattan Bridge work. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 11:49:35 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Oct 31 09:54:59 2009. That would make the Q too long though.And where does your D end, 34th? |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Oct 31 11:55:56 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Oct 31 09:54:59 2009. 1]Split D services: 205-Grand St/57-7Av-Coney Island via Montague tunnel.Might as well have Shuttle from W4th to Grand Street and have the Delta Terminate at 34th.. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Sat Oct 31 11:58:30 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by arnine on Sat Oct 31 08:24:27 2009. I can see this if the north side is closed:(B): no worry, it doesn't run on weekends. (D): operate it in Manhattan only and terminate it at LES - Second Avenue (M): Extend it to Coney Island via the West End. (N): normal (Q): normal (R): normal (W): doesn't run, unless it's decided to have it run to Brooklyn along the West End instead of the (M) so West End riders can take their (D) train at 34th Street and not transfer to another train after getting off the (M). If the south side's closed: (B): Again, doesn't run. (D): Normal. (M): Normal (N): Operate via the tunnel (Q): Operate via the tunnel (R): Normal, unless having three trains via the tunnel is too much, even on the weekend, then have it cut back to Brooklyn only and the (Q) is extended to Queens during the day; nights to its normal terminal at 57th Street. Now, if BOTH sides are closed, it's just a combo of the service patterns as so: (B): Doesn't run (D): Cut it back to Manhattan (M): Either send it to South brooklyn or have the (W) run for the weekends via West End. (N): via tunnel (Q): via tunnel (R): Either normal, or cut it back if three trains are too much for the tunnel to handle. (W): DOesn;t run, or have it sent down West End. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Oct 31 13:03:28 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:37:58 2009. Oh Ok thanks:-) I didn't know that (think the last round was while I was in SF) |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Oct 31 13:15:48 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by lrg5784 on Sat Oct 31 11:58:30 2009. Interesting Idea |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 13:40:53 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 30 17:00:58 2009. Well if you are going to split the D, you may as well use the 'W' for the 'W'est end shuttle. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 14:40:19 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Oct 31 09:28:20 2009. The 6 to Canal would require passengers to make an additional change in order to access the Bway Subway while a transfer point from Prince would eliminate the need for a second transfer. Actually, a Prince St transfer makes more sense than the transfer that was created between the 8 and 7 Av lines at 42 St. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 14:42:37 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:37:58 2009. That's true but at that time the W was the principal West End service and the only one going through the Stillwell at the time since Neither the N nor the F entered Stillwell due to station rehab. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 14:50:14 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by lrg5784 on Sat Oct 31 11:58:30 2009. If you have wither the M or W serve the West end, then even if you take the R out of the picture, you will still have 3 services in the tunnel. It would probably be best to operate just the Q and the N through the tunnel and have the R as a 95 to 36 shuttle. If Qns Blvd passengers complain about the lack of R service, the N could be extended to Ctl during the normal R times and the R-160s in use on the N could be programmed to reflect the service adjustment. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 14:53:20 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Oct 30 20:32:37 2009. How many of them remember the old yellow D? |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 14:54:37 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 30 18:28:56 2009. More like a flashback to 2003, when the bridge was closed on weekends. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 14:55:52 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 14:50:14 2009. I left out the West End passengers. There are 2 options for them either a shuttle between Stl and 36 or Extend it to Pacific St to allow passengers to access the IRT lines. Actually since 2 services could be conceivably turned at Pacific St maybe the R shuttle could also operate to that point at least during the normal CTL hours. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 15:21:29 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 14:40:19 2009. How far away are those stations? I would think they should concider at the very least an OOS MC transfer. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Sat Oct 31 19:53:54 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 31 14:55:52 2009. Okay, I was just about to ask about the West-Enders. I really don't think three lines sharing track on the weekends is much of a problem; if it was, you wouldn't see the (N), (Q) and (R) trains sharing the bridge like today, even if in only one direction though. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Oct 31 21:11:28 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 04:24:01 2009. you could do better? |
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Re: Changes for Manhattan Bridge G.O. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 1 01:30:10 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 30 17:53:06 2009. R36's Weekend suggestions were:>>D suspended in Brooklyn, operating from the Bronx to 34th Street.>> >>E, G operate local in Queens.>> >>J terminates at Myrtle/Broadway>> >>M extended to Coney Island via West End.>> >>N, Q operate via tunnel; N local, Q express north of 34th Street.>> >>R shuttle at all times between Bay Ridge and 36th Street/4th Avenue.>> >>Shuttle operates between Grand Street and West 4th Street.>> My version would be this: Two options would have the D Split with the Brooklyn end running to 34/6 (using normal cars), however, for the Bronx-Upper Manhattan end (and in one case the entire line), I would be using one of three options, all requiring shortening the D to eight 60-foot car trains: 1. Bronx-Manhattan D is combined with the M train, going from 205th in the Bronx to Metropolitan Avenue. 2. Bronx-Manhattan D terminates at Essex Street. This and the first option in either case gives those who normally ride the F to Delancey to switch to the J on weekends the option to take the D to Essex and to the J at least make a cross-platform transfer. 3. The D train is not split, but uses the route it did during the early 1980's when it went to Essex, then reversed directions next to the Willy B and then came back through Essex, running on the Nassau Street line and the Montauge Street tunnel to Brooklyn and Coney Island via it's normal route. Especially if the D is split or running via the Nassau Street line to Coney Island (via the old reverse route at Essex), then the M would not be needed and the J can run its normal route, EXCEPT if the D is running the roundabout route via Essex and Nassau Streets, then the J would run to Broad instead of Chambers. As for the rest: If the R only runs from 36th-95th, then the G would likely have to replace it to 71st-Continental since I would keep the E as an express, however, in place of the Grand Street-West 4th Shuttle, I would have the V train run on weekends via its normal route, EXCEPT running to Grand Street instead of 2nd Avenue on weekends. The N and Q operating via the Tunnel if both sides are closed with the N local and Q express north of 34th makes sense, or perhaps the Q runs express and switches to the local track in the area south of Prince Street. |
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Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 1 01:44:42 2009, in response to Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 1 01:49:51 2009. I agree. |
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Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 1 01:49:51 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 31 15:21:29 2009. It is a bit of a walk, roughly 2-3 blocks from westernmost exit of Broadway-Lafayette B/D/F/V station (on Houston Street) to the entrance for the Prince Street R/W (N overnights) station.It would help if a transfer could be built to where you could use the north end of the Prince Street R/W station (perhaps extending the station northward to accomodate this?) so you can have transfers between the R/W and the B/D/F/V/Downtown 6 (and eventually uptown 6 once the new transfer opens in 2011). That would probably take pressure off 34th Street/Broadway/6th Avenue, which is generally not the easiest of transfer points to begin with between those lines, plus, you would be able to transfer between the Broadway Local and (for now) the (Downtown and eventually the uptown) 6 in a MUCH easier manner than at Canal Street, which is clearly NOT the easiest place in the system to accomplish that transfer between the Broadway Local and the 6 (and 4 overnights). This transfer might very well be worth doing. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 1 16:37:08 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by lrg5784 on Sat Oct 31 19:53:54 2009. Good point! |
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Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 1 16:49:08 2009, in response to Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 1 01:49:51 2009. Prince St is only one block south of Houston St and the entrance is centrally located in relation to the platforms so that N/E of the Prince St station is only about a half a block from the Bway/Laff station of the IND. That would make a transfer between the 2 stations almost easier to build than the one now being constructed at Jay/Lawrence Sts. I also think that the platforms at Prince are abut the same level as the mezzanine at Bway/Laff so a transfer with a passageway between the N/B and S/B platforms similar to that at 51/Lex to the IND 53 St line should be easily doable. If I remember, the last time I was there, there is an entrance right on the corner of Bway and Houston Sts, so the walk is not that long. |
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Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 1 17:01:55 2009, in response to Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 1 16:49:08 2009. Thanks for the info. |
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Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 2 18:12:37 2009, in response to Re: Broadway-Lafayette/Prince Street Transfer, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 1 16:49:08 2009. While Prince to Houston is technically one block, it really is closer to two normal blocks and it is roughly another half-block once turned on Broadway on Houston.That said, as noted, there would be quite a few benefits to this, and aside from the most obvious ones (transfers to the B/D/F/V/Downtown 6 and eventually the 6 in both directions), you also would have a crossunder available that you don't currently have at Prince. |
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Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 2 18:15:41 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 1 16:37:08 2009. And instead of splitting the D, what about for these G.O.'s using eight 60-foot car trains and have the D operate (if it has to via the tunnel anyway) via the roundabout route to the tunnel via Essex Street and the Nassau Street line as the D actually did in the early 1980's. |
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Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges |
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Posted by rashidas on Mon Nov 2 21:03:19 2009, in response to Re: Subway Lines on the Manhattan Bridge to be affected due to bridge work, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 31 09:39:36 2009. Just wondering - Can the Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges be strengthened enough to carry the weight of an AirTrain? |
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Re: Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 21:07:36 2009, in response to Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges, posted by rashidas on Mon Nov 2 21:03:19 2009. Definitely no for the Brooklyn Bridge without MAJOR work; since it's also a historic landmark, doubtful. It currently has a 4-ton weight limit. |
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Re: Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Nov 2 21:41:11 2009, in response to Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges, posted by rashidas on Mon Nov 2 21:03:19 2009. Why is there the need to extend the AT? Riders can just transfer to the A or E trains or the LIRR to get to Manhattan. |
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Re: Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges |
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Posted by rashidas on Tue Nov 3 00:07:16 2009, in response to Re: Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Nov 2 21:41:11 2009. The stated goal was a one seat ride from Kennedy Airport to Manhattan. Only the AT can provide that. If the Queensborough Bridge was strengthened it could provide a direct route to LaGuardia. The QB once carried street cars so theoretically it could provide a route for light rail to LaGuardia. |
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Re: Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 3 00:08:37 2009, in response to Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges, posted by rashidas on Mon Nov 2 21:03:19 2009. Can the Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges be strengthened enough to carry the weight of an AirTrain?AirTrain cars are approximately the same weight of current 60 footers. These are much heavier than the wooden El cars that once ran on both these bridges. The 1950's Brooklyn Bridge reconstruction removed the middle trusses. Their removal reduced the bridge's live load capability. So, the Brooklyn Bridge can no longer handle the lighter El cars it once carried. The Queensboro's 1980's architectural striptease removed two full time automobile lanes and a pedestrian lane. The purpose was to prevent a catastrophic failure by reducing its total load (live and dead). Increasing the live load with the likes of AirTrain is not an option. |
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Re: Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 3 01:30:17 2009, in response to Re: Strengthening Queensborough and Brooklyn Bridges, posted by rashidas on Tue Nov 3 00:07:16 2009. AIRTRAIN is not LIGHT RAIL,regardless of what you may have heard...Its cars are the same size/weight as a NYCT B DIVISION 60ft railcar.. Both EAST RIVER bridges have be "dead weight" reduced during rebuilds..neither can take the additional rail traffic. |
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