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Any word on the arrival of the first M8s? |
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Posted by milan1834 on Fri Aug 14 13:22:02 2009 This is funny. When I was railfanning in Mamaroneck on August 1, that New Jersey Transit test train pulled up and a man asked me, "Are these the new cars?" To which I said, "No, those are New Jersey cars.""I thought the the new cars would be here by now." "Think December," I responded. Any news? |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Aug 14 13:38:31 2009, in response to Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by milan1834 on Fri Aug 14 13:22:02 2009. Hopefully never-they're crappy looking. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009, in response to Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by milan1834 on Fri Aug 14 13:22:02 2009. Sent to me by Trailmen Paul witch was ent to him by a freind.So they are on there way soon.   
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Posted by bmtlines on Fri Aug 14 13:52:38 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. Nice pix but the cars are FUGLY!! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Aug 14 13:56:10 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. Stylin' ! |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Aug 14 14:14:56 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. They look horrible IMHO. |
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Posted by mshull on Fri Aug 14 14:19:49 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. Single biggest ugly part... The lights!If the tail and ditch-lights were reversed, I think it would look better. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Aug 14 14:50:41 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. I'll probably be alone but I like the cars. They kind of remind me of a squared off BMT Bluebird.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 14 15:12:43 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. FUGLY!Nice interiors, though. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Fri Aug 14 15:20:13 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. OMG! They look like the cars on the MFL! Except for the headlights at the top...
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Posted by mike cruz on Fri Aug 14 16:31:42 2009, in response to Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by milan1834 on Fri Aug 14 13:22:02 2009. good god that thing is UGLY! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 14 16:43:04 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Aug 14 13:38:31 2009. Hopefully never-they're crappy looking.That's a dumb reason! A much better reason for hoping "never" is that they don't have railfan windows like the cars being replaced. But in the end, I recognize that the NH line is a much worse situation (in terms of current poor performance) than that which existed on the IND/BMT with the R-32 thru R-42 cars before the R-160 cars came. |
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Posted by RearOfSignal on Fri Aug 14 16:59:53 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 14 16:43:04 2009. Who needs a RFW when you have a engineer's window, heck I'll even take the fireman's window. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Aug 14 17:04:21 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Aug 14 13:38:31 2009. I agree that they look horrible, but have to admit that I do prefer the M7's over the M1/3's as the a/c is great, heat is great, seats are ok, best of all the car w/ the bathroom does not always smell like the bathroom. If the M8's are like that then I probably will like them. I need to ride up and tour the car myself one of these days. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Aug 14 18:44:14 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. Nice! I love the way the trucks look however I am going to miss the M2s. One of these days I gotta railfan the entire NH line end to end from GCT to New Haven, just that MN fare is so damn expenive. |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Fri Aug 14 20:13:42 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. Maybe they should have made the gates at the end of the car red instead of black, for better contrast and matching with the red outside the black belt on the car. |
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Posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 14 20:30:36 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. A bit of a resemblance to the 253 Series MUs for the Narita Express:
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 20:44:57 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. That's a face only a mother could love, eh. (Probably means they'll work well out on the road.) Inside more than makes up for it. (And I like 3-2 seats anyhow.) Time for wires into GCT . . . |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Aug 14 20:47:18 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by bmtlines on Fri Aug 14 13:52:38 2009. IAWTP... The M-8's make SEPTA's forthcoming Silverliner V cars look attractive... Ick... |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 14 20:52:27 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. THE RED AND THE BLACK....A thing of beauty? NOT! -w- |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Aug 14 21:18:06 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 20:44:57 2009. I do not think there is enough clearnace |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 21:31:09 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by arnine on Fri Aug 14 21:18:06 2009. I think there might be. And if there really isn't, the low-clearance areas can be rebuilt. Plenty of clearance in GCT and the cut-&-cover over Park Avenue. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 21:33:17 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 21:31:09 2009. Don't think Olog your not good at it. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Aug 14 21:35:39 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 21:33:17 2009. Unwarranted personal attack. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 22:06:42 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Ken S. on Fri Aug 14 21:35:39 2009. nope I explained the clearances. but Olog thinks he can judge from miles away what the clearances are.No way Catenary fits in Park avenue tunnel or the Bronx trough for that matter. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Aug 14 22:11:31 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 22:06:42 2009. Might be able to drop the floor in the Bronx (I'm not sure), but to do so on Park Av would require so much utility relocation that the existing box basically the box.Priority in terms of AC power for MNCR should probably be replacing existing catenary to modern standards; the pull-downs seem far more frequent than is the case elsewhere. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 22:49:14 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 21:33:17 2009. Heh heh. Rebuild your credibility a bit more, and then come say that. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 22:53:16 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 22:49:14 2009. My professional credibility is fine, as far as subchat who cares.its like getting a opinion of amateur's in Subchat. Specially yours ;-) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Aug 14 23:01:42 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. Everyone from Dutch to my own engineer knows what I think of the M-8!! (Thumbs DOWN!!) Makes me like the M-7A much more!! Should have kept the M-7A design to the rivet!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 23:11:41 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 22:06:42 2009. Hmm . . . arguable. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Aug 14 23:15:18 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 22:06:42 2009. "No way Catenary fits in Park avenue tunnel or the Bronx trough for that matter"I have to agree on this!! Especially on Tracks 4 and 3 (outer tracks). Tracks 1 and 2 have higher clearance but up to a point, after which the ceiling levels drops down, and catenary definitely can not be placed in such. And the Melrose tunnel is definitely too low for such. |
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Posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 14 23:31:54 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Aug 14 23:01:42 2009. Well, as long as it sounds like some of those Japanese trains, I'm just fine with it. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Aug 14 23:35:38 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by 9 local on Fri Aug 14 23:31:54 2009. Ahhhh, you refer to the exotic acceleration and braking sounds!! I like the M-7/7As and the R-160Bs exotic sounds. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Aug 15 06:10:46 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Aug 14 23:35:38 2009. I agree with the sounds of the M7/7A's but it hate the damm grinding the R160's do when they finally come to a complete halt. |
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Posted by milan1834 on Sat Aug 15 10:19:52 2009, in response to Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by milan1834 on Fri Aug 14 13:22:02 2009. This is interesting, but alas, typical of the discussion of what goes on on SubChat. Apart from the three images posted of the car by NorthEastern T/O (thanks!), no one has answered my question. Specifically, is there any news regarding arrival of the first M8s?And remind me again who the M8 builder is. I've forgotten. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 15 10:58:14 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by milan1834 on Sat Aug 15 10:19:52 2009. Builder, Kawasaki, and as for the expected date of their debut on MNR, now no one knows, I hear it has been delayed from later this year, yet again. If I find out for sure when, I shall be happy to post. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Aug 15 12:02:57 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Aug 14 13:45:43 2009. Hideous. I wish they would've designed that center lights to not stick up like some sort of add-on/after thought. |
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Posted by 9 local on Sat Aug 15 12:22:07 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Aug 14 23:35:38 2009. No, I mean the Siemens GTO-VVVF propulsion system found on the Keikyu 2100 series.This has been posted before, but just to remind everyone what it is..... Either that, or the PA-5 or R160B Siemens sounds. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 15 12:24:44 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by 9 local on Sat Aug 15 12:22:07 2009. I like that one!! Sounds like it was belted out on a saxophone, an soprano sax. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat Aug 15 13:35:31 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 15 10:58:14 2009. Good! |
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Posted by DCmetrogreen on Sat Aug 15 16:17:13 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 23:11:41 2009. That gives me an interesting idea. Could the local stations (59th, 72nd, 96th, 110th Sts) be used to alleviate overcrowding on the Lex Ave Line? Obviously they would need to be rebuilt for modern use. Also, there is the issue of how fares would be paid (Metrocard?). |
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Posted by milan1834 on Sat Aug 15 18:01:32 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 15 10:58:14 2009. Thanks, Bee Flxible... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Aug 15 18:13:38 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by DCmetrogreen on Sat Aug 15 16:17:13 2009. This is why they're building the Second Ave Subway. And the answer is no; there's not enough capacity on the MNCR line to GCT to permit this. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 15 21:33:43 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Aug 14 20:47:18 2009. What's with that headlight protruding up like that like a erect d1ck ? Looks like 1957 car styling. The red interior is gaudy. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Aug 15 21:39:35 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 14 23:11:41 2009. Based on the description and drawings in the Joseph Brennan web page it seem that wire could in fact be put in those tunnels. Razing the tunnel is out of the question but lowering the floor by at least 2' looks feasible to me.John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 15 21:42:33 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Sand Box John on Sat Aug 15 21:39:35 2009. How did you compute the lower bound of 2 ft? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Aug 15 21:45:21 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Sand Box John on Sat Aug 15 21:39:35 2009. The floor was lowered to max nearly 15 years ago when Azobe ties were installed, the rail at one point is actually laying on top of the 63th steet tunnel with no ballast under the ties just around it.There is no way in hell the track bed can be lowered without disturbing the tunnel wal foundation, of wich currently over 1.5 foot is exposed. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Aug 15 22:44:44 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Aug 15 21:45:21 2009. The floor was lowered to max nearly 15 years ago when Azobe ties were installed, the rail at one point is actually laying on top of the 63th steet tunnel with no ballast under the ties just around it.How much additional vertical clearance was gained in that lowering project? Direct fixation track fasteners on the 63 rd Street tunnel roof would increase the vertical clearance by at least the depth of the ties. There is no way in hell the track bed can be lowered without disturbing the tunnel wal foundation, of wich currently over 1.5 foot is exposed. As I recall the wall foundations were underpinned in the in the Howard Street Tunnel in Baltimore to gain additional vertical clearance. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Aug 15 22:57:26 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Sand Box John on Sat Aug 15 22:44:44 2009. John all i can say is come out of your sand box and come take a look before telling what can be done. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 15 23:28:01 2009, in response to Re: Any word on the arrival of the first M8s?(Photos), posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 14 22:06:42 2009. No way Catenary fits in Park avenue tunnel or the Bronx trough for that matter.Then lets bring back the overhead third rail. |
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