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Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 15:32:47 2009 Details hereThe text of MetroRail's response: From: Kapoor, Harpal (MDT |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 15:40:19 2009, in response to Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 15:32:47 2009. Unfortunately, if you're stopped, no security guard or police officer is going to take the time read this e-mail (or believe it, for that matter). |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 27 16:04:59 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 15:40:19 2009. Carry a copy with you! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 16:08:14 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 15:40:19 2009. That's why the police departments and security companies involved need to be sued repeatedly until they stop harassing photographers. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 27 16:48:49 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 16:08:14 2009. And also, if HarryP and/or anyone else is rudely hassled in such a way again, he/she has legitimate grounds for a formal complaint. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 16:57:39 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by randyo on Wed May 27 16:04:59 2009. That won't do any good if the security guard or police officer won't read it and/or doesn't believe it's legit. |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed May 27 17:26:57 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 16:57:39 2009. But there is a phone number on the e-mail! As soon as anyone harrasses you, call the number and speak with security office. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 27 17:57:46 2009, in response to Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 15:32:47 2009. Yep, just as I wrote on the day the incident was posted online: No Photo Permit Needed in Miami. His letter even references "Chapter 30B TRANSIT AGENCY RULES AND REGULATIONS" which is one of the three documents I said that I have which proves that there are no restrictions on amateur photography.Take Pride,
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 27 18:00:54 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by JohnL on Wed May 27 17:26:57 2009. "But there is a phone number on the e-mail! As soon as anyone harrasses you, call the number and speak with security office."And be sure to have the name and/or badge/ID# of the individual who hassles you. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 18:45:59 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 27 16:48:49 2009. The person who perpetrated the latest harassment episode was the very same Eric Muntan who was cc:'d on the email. If he harasses anyone else that email will bite him!! Even if he didn't read it the fact that he was cc'd on it makes him responsible - ignorance will be no excuse when an attorney comes knocking at his door with a subpeona... |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed May 27 18:46:51 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 18:45:59 2009. 100% agreement. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed May 27 18:52:58 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 16:08:14 2009. Exactly. It doesn't necessarily mean the harassment will stop, but it couldn't hurt! There's no reason to tolerate any of it. |
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Posted by HarryP on Wed May 27 19:02:52 2009, in response to Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 15:32:47 2009. I also sent a letter via postal mail to Mr. Kapoor last week, and am awaiting a reply from him. In my letter, I enclosed a number of photography rules from other transit agencies, which indicated that only commercial photography requires a permit.In my letter, I mentioned my incident on May 16 at Government Center, and it sounds like Mr. Karpoor may have confused newshawk@gmail.com with me, as it seems like he is apologizing to him for my incident. Anyway, just as I suspected, Eric Muntan, so-called "Chief of Security," was just blowing hot air. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 19:15:28 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by HarryP on Wed May 27 19:02:52 2009. It appears that Mr Karpoor may be getting lots of letters - once this stuff hits the photo rights sites there is a dedicated following of photographers that drowns the agencies involved with email and snail mail. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 23:18:03 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by HarryP on Wed May 27 19:02:52 2009. Seems that the Wackenhut Corp that provides security for Metrorail has even bigger problems:Click here Regardless of the outcome of their lawsuit it seems that they will lose the contract as soon as Miami-Dade can find a new security company for Metrorail. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 27 23:32:35 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 16:08:14 2009. Yeah, that worked great for all those black drivers of expensive cars pulled over in the "wrong" neighborhood. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 23:38:10 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 27 23:32:35 2009. So what is the answer then - accept defeat and confine yourself to taking pictures of your kids... oh - sorry - you get harassed for that too...Might as well sell your camera to a scrap dealer :( |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 27 23:45:34 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 23:38:10 2009. There is no real answer. It's something we gotta deal with. Life isn't fair. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 23:52:03 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 27 23:45:34 2009. That's where I disagree - the authorities have declared a war against photography and photographers are now fighting back with all legal means at their disposal and that includes lawsuits, the press, organizing, protests, and the ACLU. The photographers rights movements are growing and organizing - we are mad as hell and not taking it any more.The "National Photographers Rights Organization" will be staging another protest in Los Angeles next week. Stay tuned.... |
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Posted by Easy on Thu May 28 00:01:02 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 23:52:03 2009. This is where we disagree. There is no war on photographers. It's mostly lots of misinformed people that need to be educated about photographer's rights. Photographers are not even a disenfranchised group, much less victims of a war. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu May 28 00:28:45 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Easy on Thu May 28 00:01:02 2009. Then why did it take several lawsuits by the NYCLU to finally get the NYPD to issue the directive that was issued last week? Why does PATH ban photography? Why is the DOT systematically harassing photographers in Washington DC? Why were photographers told to "get out of town" by LA Port Police and then threatened with 10 years imprisonment when they called Port Police HQ to complain? Why did the cop force a photographer at Coney Island to surrender his film? I can go on and on and on...If it were just misinformed people then it would be sporadic and supervision would take the side of the photographer once a complaint was filed. These people are getting their instructions from somewhere and it is those "instructors" that need to be targeted by lawsuits. For example, building managers are actively encouraging security guards to harass photographers. I take a very broad view of the "War against Photography" and apply it not only to government authority but anyone who under color of authority be it private security, building owner or government agency who in any way stops a photographer from engaging in legal activity is engaging in that "war". Incidents are being reported daily across the country and I am working with photo rights groups to help end it. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Thu May 28 04:53:14 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 27 23:32:35 2009. And your point is..? |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Thu May 28 05:07:44 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by Easy on Thu May 28 00:01:02 2009. With all due respect, Easy...you're wrong.That you continue to hold this view after what happened to you a couple of years ago...which you described in quite explicit detail, in this very forum...is nothing short of incredible. Never the less, you are entitled to your opinion. And I will defend to the death your right to express it. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 28 09:18:09 2009, in response to Re: Metrorail Responds to Photography Inquiry, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 27 23:18:03 2009. Whacking Hut (as we like to call them down here) :) may have more problems. They also hold the security contract for Tri-Rail (the officers do the ticket checking, among other things), and Tri-Rail may shut down sometime in 2011 if the 3 counties it serves (Dade, Broward and Palm Beach) reduce the amount they fund, as they are threatening to do. |
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