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[PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008

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At 14:58, I catch the R160 set on the E at Jamaica-Van Wyck, heading towards Jamaica Center. I get on and ride to Jamaica Center, where there's already a crowd waiting for the next departure. The train arrives at 15:01. It's the only train at the platform. The dispatcher announces that the train will skip Jamaica-Van Wyck. The doors close. After about 5 minutes of sitting there, the train doors re-open and then close again. The train finally leaves at 15:07.













Crowding was an issue during the whole trip. The train was SRO from Continental all the way to 34th Street. We had to crawl outside Continental because a garbage train was on the local track at Continental, and they had to run a local train around it. We had crowding delays at Continental, Roosevelt, Queens Plaza, Lexington/53rd, 50th, 42nd, and 34th. The delays got so bad, that our follower caught up with us. Quite literally, in fact. As the train was approaching Canal Street, this was approaching the station on the express track.




That's right. Another E train. We left first.

As you see, by the time I was able to take this picture at World Trade Center, we already had the start lights, we departed while the follower was arriving.


Apparently, the homeless are "enjoying" the new cars, too.


Monday, 16:14. What's wrong with this picture?


They weren't without their quirks. For instance, when the "Do Not Hold the Doors" announcement was activated, the interior signs would play the message, but the most I heard from the speakers was, "Ladies and gentlemen--." Write it up on the defect card, Mr. Conductor!

On the way back, crowding was tolerable until 42nd Street. Lexington/53rd is quite the mad house! I got off at 23rd-Ely.

A parting shot


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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R32_3671 on Mon Dec 22 19:50:35 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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I was on that same train at the same time, It had left WTC at 2:00 (14:00) and I got off at 71st to cach an R32 (R) but The (R) was an R46 so instead I got An R32 (F) and I went to coney island and I got The R160 (E) again at 6:15 at WTC.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Dec 22 19:54:12 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Nice pics. There is no PM rush Z service at Jamaica Center.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 22 19:58:20 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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The new R160s: Good enough for the homeless, good enough for you!

And I was on that train too.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 22 20:11:43 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Nice photos. I love the homeless one. I mean the photo, not the what it represents for society.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 20:14:45 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Dec 22 19:54:12 2008.

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Indeed.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Dec 22 20:25:43 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Awesome stuff.

Anyone know if the R160 will be running on the E tomorrow? I missed out today.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Dec 22 20:59:25 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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About the homeless man pic:
The more things change the more things stays the same. - New trains, but the bums still sleeps in them. So much for can't sleep w/the brighter lights?

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Dec 22 22:20:01 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R32_3671 on Mon Dec 22 19:50:35 2008.

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It is very rare to find an R32 on the R in between the M-F AM and PM rush hours.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Dec 22 22:21:33 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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That kind of stuff happens on the E regularly no matter what the equipment is.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by julie_profumo on Mon Dec 22 22:37:54 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Part of the reason for the crowding is that there was no 7 service between 74th. St. and Queensboro Plaza for much of the afternoon.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 22 22:47:44 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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The third from bottom pic is PRICELESS!

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Dec 22 23:26:07 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Nice shots. Myself and staphanger9 caught it at Lexington-53rd earlier today. Took it down to WTC. It was also in the midst of a short delay in service on the E & V, so it sure was a mad house at a certain end of the platform. Is this the first time R-160s in the 9200-series have run in revenue service?

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R PansePCC on Mon Dec 22 23:34:52 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Great photos and report.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 22 23:36:27 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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The skells wasted no time, did they! And nobody gave 'em the boot? BAH! HUMBUG!

//w\\


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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Dec 23 01:18:12 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by julie_profumo on Mon Dec 22 22:37:54 2008.

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Between 74 Street - Broadway and Times Square - 42 Street, actually. From approximately 12:00 PM to 4:00 PM.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by joe c on Tue Dec 23 01:29:00 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Dec 22 23:26:07 2008.

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Yup,the first 9200-series R160A-2 trainset to see service.



til next time

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by JBar387 on Tue Dec 23 05:11:49 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Great Pics!

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 23 07:38:19 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 22 23:36:27 2008.

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Makes you wonder what they'll do once they introduce those "seatless" trains. Will they find another train to sleep on, or will they sleep on the floor?

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 23 07:39:47 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Another interesting thing that happened during the southbound run. When the train was making its way through the interlocking south of West 4th Street, there was an F train beside us, made of R32 cars!

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by rionOne on Tue Dec 23 07:50:28 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Ok so who is the dummy that put the Q47 to LGA, when in actuality, it should be the Q33 to LGA.

SUPER IDIOTS, The Q47 only serves the Marine Terminal while the Q33 serves the 3 Main Terminals.

-Trevor

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Dec 23 09:14:30 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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Definitely with some quirks - I was on the F arriving in to Forest Hills (Jamaica bound) around 5:15 yesterday when I saw the R160 arriving on the Manhattan bound express track. As I looked into the 5th car (conductor's car), I saw the the overhead display and it kept displaying the next stop was Kew Gardens-Union Tpke.

Maybe it still wasn't reset if the train did skip Jamaica-Van Wyck? Even if it didn't reset, it should display Forest Hills as the next stop since it's one stop behind, right?

Great shots by the way!

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Dec 23 09:17:13 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Dec 22 22:20:01 2008.

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Sometimes around 7:20 7:30 you may find an R going Manhattan bound at Forest Hills. I've encountered that a couple of times when I took the R in the past month or so.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Dec 23 09:21:06 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by rionOne on Tue Dec 23 07:50:28 2008.

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I guess because the Q47 technically goes to LGA and I don't think they can fit all the information on the FIND. It is on the Subway map, though.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 09:25:38 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 22 19:58:20 2008.

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LOL!

Your post gave me a chuckle at work...speaking of which....

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 09:28:39 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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It seems that other than a faulty announcement and questionable info on the FIND, the delays weren't really the R160s' fault- just a coincidental happening on their first day on the E.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 09:29:49 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 23 07:38:19 2008.

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I think the "seatless" train is a terrible idea. I hope they don't do it, or if they do, they quickly reverse course and install seats.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 23 10:16:38 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by rionOne on Tue Dec 23 07:50:28 2008.

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But the Marine Terminal, while it's to the west of the main LGA area, still "serves" LGA!

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 23 10:57:27 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 23 10:16:38 2008.

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Aircraft using the Marine Air Terminal use LaGuardia's runways, so technically, Marine Air Terminal is just another one of LaGuardia's terminals. It's positioned in such a way as to allow the terminal to be used by amphibious aircraft.

The Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia Airport in New York City remains the only active airport terminal dating from the first generation of passenger travel in the United States--the "Golden age of the flying boat." Wikipedia

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 23 12:11:45 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 23 07:38:19 2008.

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No need to wonder. They will not change a thing. They will sleep in a car with seats.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 23 12:12:40 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 09:29:49 2008.

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I think it's a great idea and hope they implement it ASAP where it is badly needed.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Dec 23 17:49:28 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Dec 23 09:17:13 2008.

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Many times the R's leaving CTL at approx. 7:59 AM and 8:17 AM are R32's which drop out at 59th St. Brooklyn and spend the day laid up at CIYD.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Dec 23 20:29:12 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 23 12:12:40 2008.

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IMO, they should have thought of the seatless idea with the R142/A contract.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue Dec 23 21:46:15 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by joe c on Tue Dec 23 01:29:00 2008.

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Thanks. That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if they had seen any service on the Q.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by lonerebel on Tue Dec 23 22:44:08 2008, in response to [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 22 19:43:54 2008.

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its good to see the homeless have moved in on the first day...new seats, new trains...nothing changes.

looks like a nice change though compared to the usual

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Dec 23 23:02:16 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 23 07:39:47 2008.

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That's always awesome when you get two trains side by side like that, and then one dips down.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Dec 24 08:35:23 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by lonerebel on Tue Dec 23 22:44:08 2008.

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One more thing... "New car smell" turns into B.O.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 24 09:11:10 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 23 12:12:40 2008.

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Well, we'll just have to see how it all goes, I guess...

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 24 09:20:51 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 09:29:49 2008.

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The name "seatless train" is a bit misleading. It is a test of a practice that has been used in other systems. The seats in the subject cars will be made so they can be folded up and locked in position. As I understand it, during rush hours only, the seats will be locked so all customers in that car will be standees, presumably increasing capacity and reducing crowding and commute times. It should neither be catagorized as a great idea nor a bad idea as it has not been tested. Let's see how it works before we make those evaluations.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 24 09:30:59 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 24 09:20:51 2008.

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FWIW, how about correcting the FIND system for the E line first? (I know, it's not your area of expertise!)


As noted in these R160 E threads, there is no W/C access at WTC station, and there is no transfer to the Z train during the PM rush period.

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Dec 24 09:44:37 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Dec 24 09:30:59 2008.

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IAWTP

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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 24 09:59:10 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 24 09:20:51 2008.

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BYOS (Bring Your Own Seat)

If I need to ride during rush hour I guess I will have to carry a folding seat with me:



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Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Dec 24 10:42:18 2008, in response to Re: [PHOTOS INSIDE]: R160's on the E Are Burdened By Delays, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 24 09:59:10 2008.

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I am not a lawyer, but that may be a violation of 1050.9(g 2) or 1050.9(g 3).

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