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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 16 03:23:21 2008, in response to "Metrocard transfer"-- the MTA.info answer, posted by gbs on Tue Dec 16 03:19:46 2008. Thanks for posting that.Not knowing you well, Ms. Popp decided to give you the whole story and context. But she did answer your question. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 07:57:41 2008, in response to "Metrocard transfer"-- the MTA.info answer, posted by gbs on Tue Dec 16 03:19:46 2008. Are there any other "walking" transfers available and why do they deduct your transfer when you do it.Most modern transit systems allow unlimited rides for a certain period with one fare..Amsterdam comes to mind. Instead of spending millions to build new transfers, why don't the jerks at NYCT simply allow unlimited transfers within the 2 hour period. That would be a much fairer, saner and modern way of doing it, don't you think. And it wouldn't cost very much money. Or perhaps they can do what they do in London and cap the amount you pay with your metrocard. With Oyster cards in London, you cap at leess than the price of a one day unlimited card....so if a one day card is what, $7 or something, then the metrocard should cap at $6.50 each day but no that would make sense so why do something in New York that makes sense. |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 08:36:37 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 07:57:41 2008. they deduct your transfer becuase your are leaving the system and then re-entering. there is no real point to allowing an unlimtited transfers if there are only two out-of-system transfers, and one will be gone in the next few years anyway.And not only would it not not cost very much, it would cost a bundle in fare revenue from pay-per-ride cards. NYCTA's fare structer is much lower than other systems. the largest single ride price i can find for TfL is 7 pounds. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 08:39:16 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 08:36:37 2008. Wrong....wrong.....with an oyster card a single ride on the London tube starting 01 January will be £1.60 which is $2.40 at today's exchange rate but is very likely to be around $2 in the very near future as the pound keeps falling...... |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 16 08:44:01 2008, in response to "Metrocard transfer"-- the MTA.info answer, posted by gbs on Tue Dec 16 03:19:46 2008. "you should be aware that our MetroCard free transfer program, except in a very limited number of cases, does not provide for “three-legged” transfers."If you're up for it, get them to spell those out! |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 11:07:15 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 08:39:16 2008. I said as a comaprision. The larges single ride fare on NYCTA subway is $2. the largest single ride fare listed for the tube was £7 ($10.70) for a ride between zone 1 and 8 or 9 on a cash ticket. The point is with the fare card bonuses, NYCTA collects much less per person per fare paid. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 13:49:26 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 11:07:15 2008. A trip from zone 1 to zone 8 or 9 in London of course does not exist on NYCT...it would be a trip to Jamaica and then the LIRR. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Dec 16 14:12:12 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 13:49:26 2008. To be a fair comparison, the ride has to be around 30 miles in length.A ride on the Northern Line from High Barnet to Clapham Common is £4.00 ($6.11), as a cash single fare. You can ride about the same distance for a $2 (£1.30) single fare on the  .
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 16 14:23:36 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 16 08:44:01 2008. IAWTP. The ones that I know of are any combinations involving LI Bus, even with two LI Buses and a NYC bus or subway (so long as the middle leg and one other leg are both LI Buses), the Q79-second bus-third bus/subway and Bus-SIR-Subway/bus in Manhattan (via SI Ferry).There are no buses outside of Staten Island which do not connect to the subway in at least one location other than the Q79 (school trips excepted), which would be an excuse for a "three-legged-transfer." |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 15:45:00 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Dec 16 14:12:12 2008. ...but wouldn't that ride be a lot cheaper with an oyster card? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Dec 16 16:11:25 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 15:45:00 2008. With Oyster£3.70 ($5.65) peak £2.20 ($3.36) other times Plus, there is a £3.00 ($4.58) deposit charge on the card itself. So for a single one way trip on a new Oyster, I would pay $10.23 during the rush hour. Multiple trips, Oyster would be cheaper in the long run. But just for a single one way, never ever using it again trip, no. |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 16:47:13 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 13:49:26 2008. that's not the point.Max TfL can get from a single ride- equal to 10 dollars. Max RATP can get from a signle ride- equal to $2.25 Max WMATA can get from a single ride- $4.50 Max BART can get from a single ride- $8 (SFO-Pittsburg/Bay Point) Max NYCTA can get from a single ride- $2 (these are single ride, no discounts) |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Dec 16 16:52:26 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 16 14:23:36 2008. I do not know if such is still the case, but originally, when the M10 was split into the M10 and M20, there was a third transfer available to go ___-M10-M20, ___-M20-M10, M10-M20-___ or M20-M10-___ |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 18:10:29 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Dec 16 16:11:25 2008. ...the £3 is a refundable deposit BTW as is all unused money on it..so even for one trip, you can get an oyster card, use it and get your deposit back..... |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Dec 16 18:51:40 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 18:10:29 2008. If you're lucky enough to land at a station with an open ticket office, yes.Still, there's no arguing that single cash fares (without a fare card) are steep in London compared to other systems. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Dec 16 19:57:56 2008, in response to "Metrocard transfer"-- the MTA.info answer, posted by gbs on Tue Dec 16 03:19:46 2008. That was a really long and confusing explanation. Insteadof creating all this lingo like "three-legged transfer" the note on the system map which calls things like 63St-59St a "Metrocard Transfer" should reference a note which says, in simple language: If you used a pay-per-ride Metrocard and began your trip on a bus, you will be screwed out of the so-called "free transfer" The only fair way to remedy this bug in the system is to install a machine inside the fare controls of the affected stations which encodes a transfer on your per-ride metrocard which is only valid for re-entry at the other end of the "wallking transfer" within 18 minutes. |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 20:07:44 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Dec 16 13:49:26 2008. and such a trip does exist; 241st on the 2 to Far rockaway on the A via a transfer at Fulton-Broadway-Nassua. It's between 38 and 39 miles one way. The Metropolitan Line is listed as being 41 miles. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Dec 16 20:11:40 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 20:07:44 2008. I bet you could count all regular Wakefield-Far Rock riders on my right hand. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 16 20:33:59 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by R30A on Tue Dec 16 20:11:40 2008. Are you excluding seasonal riders (eg summer)? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Dec 16 20:36:01 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 16 20:33:59 2008. If anything, they might opt for Orchard Beach, which is at worst just a bus ride away. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Dec 16 20:36:59 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by R30A on Tue Dec 16 20:11:40 2008. One day I'm going to see how long it would take to get from Wakefield-241st Street to Mott Avenue-Far Rockaway. |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 20:52:45 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Dec 16 20:36:59 2008. Google says 2 hours, give or take 5 minutes. For the record, it also says taking the bus via Jamacia is 3 hours. (Q 113, Q 44, BX 39, BX 41) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Dec 16 21:01:13 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Dec 16 19:57:56 2008. If you used a pay-per-ride Metrocard and began your trip on a bus, you will be screwed out of the so-called "free transfer"Except for Staten Island. If you begin on a bus, you can still transfer to the SIRT and then get on another train free of charge after your boat ride. There is really no consistent policy, just a hodge-podge. A far easier fare system to administer would have been to charge $2 for 2 hours unlimited. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Dec 16 21:03:30 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by metropod on Tue Dec 16 20:52:45 2008. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Dec 16 22:23:24 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 16 20:33:59 2008. Are you excluding seasonal riders (eg summer)?To Mott Avenue? |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Dec 17 00:39:59 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by R30A on Tue Dec 16 16:52:26 2008. Bx29. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Dec 17 00:47:03 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Dec 16 21:01:13 2008. And I can think of at least one time where, because of delaysenroute during a late night trip, and long headways on the bus route, I was denied my subway-to-bus free transfer because it had been more than 2:18 since I swiped into the subway! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 17 01:07:51 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by B1bus on Wed Dec 17 00:39:59 2008. What about other route splits like the M100/Bx7/Bx20 and M101/M102/M103? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 17 03:59:40 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Jeff H. on Wed Dec 17 00:47:03 2008. From a previous message: "And I can think of at least one time where, because of delays enroute during a late night trip, and long headways on the bus route, I was denied my subway-to-bus free transfer because it had been more than 2:18 since I swiped into the subway!"This can happen on a trip to Staten Island. There are times when stuff will happen where one has just missed an hourly ferry by a couple of minutes, which means about an hour's wait for the next boat. However the next boat can be cancelled due to a "police action" or some other problem. This now means a two-hour wait in the terminal, plus the 30 minute travel time, and plus what ever time the card was first swiped for the subway to get to the terminal. The bottom line is that without an Unlimited MetroCard, one would have to pay another fare to use a bus (or SIR) on Staten Island. It has happened in the past, it just does not happen often. For example, one attempts to get the Saturday 7:30pm boat home, but actually gets to the terminal at 7:32pm and the boat is gone. The next leaving boat would be 8:30pm - but that is cancelled due to a police action. Meaning that the only boat one can take is the 9:30pm boat, assuming all goes well would arrive on Staten Island at 10pm. The two-hour window for a transfer is gone, meaning that a bus rider on a Pay-Per-Ride card would have to pay another fare to ride the bus or SIR. Mike Mike |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 07:19:39 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Jeff H. on Wed Dec 17 00:47:03 2008. I would hope that riders encountering such enormous delays would be entitled to a block ticket. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 07:24:13 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 17 03:59:40 2008. For example, one attempts to get the Saturday 7:30pm boat home, but actually gets to the terminal at 7:32pm and the boat is gone. The next leaving boat would be 8:30pmHourly service after 7:30 on Saturday nights - I now understand why Staten Islanders are not known to frequent Manhattan's night life. but that is cancelled due to a police action. Meaning that the only boat one can take is the 9:30pm boat, assuming all goes well would arrive on Staten Island at 10pm I should think that tying in the Metrocard fare directives with ferry delays should be fairly easy. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Dec 17 19:19:10 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 07:19:39 2008. "Block tickets" are almost NEVER issued anymore. MaybeRR Clerk Steffan will chime in with the current policy. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Dec 18 09:05:17 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 16 14:23:36 2008. I don't understand why MTA doesn't make mention of this quality of the Q79 public. I'm often around that line (although I've never used it) and if it weren't for BusChat I'd have no idea that you could do that. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Dec 18 09:11:03 2008, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Dec 16 21:01:13 2008. "A far easier fare system to administer would have been to charge $2 for 2 hours unlimited."I agree big time, with the following restrictions: -Only 1 entry into the subway system allowed anywhere during this period (except at current stations where the walking transfer exists) -You can't board the same bus route more than once Violating those two restrictions would just mean another fare charged. |
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Posted by bigv. on Thu Mar 22 10:30:51 2012, in response to "Metrocard transfer"-- the MTA.info answer, posted by gbs on Tue Dec 16 03:19:46 2008. I'm a new occasional metrocard full fare user. I notice my card balance decreasing faster than expected. So I was diligent and on several occasions I found my metrocard was being debited a second time for what is a bus-subway free transfer. All my transfer were within 15 minutes and mostly between Q103 bus and Queensbridge subway station. I think there is an issue with how date/timestamps and balance left are registered on the metrocard once swiped. The date/timestamp is how the computer system knows if metrocard is used for transfer within 2 hours. Either the date/time along with the balance needs to be updated on the card itself and/or card info goes to a centralized computer database. Some component is out of sync for the fare to be debited upon free transfer. I suspect the bus computer date/timestamp mechanism is wrong or out of sync. The only way for you to get a refund is to call mta with card number, bus and subway location, and date/time of the incident. What a pain, and you must be diligent that the xfer was effected upon card swipe. I think this is not some isolated incident and the mta could be open to class action suit if enough people document this issue. This issue is moot to the unlimited ride users, as I don't know what is displayed after a free transfer swipe for these users. If display doesn't show as free xfer, then this is the same condition I am describing. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 22 13:54:42 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 16 14:23:36 2008. The walking transfers are "three-legged".One day I entered the subway at Union Square, Got off the 6th Ave line at Rockefeller Center, got something to eat, Walked to 63rd and Lex, got my free out-of-system transfer, took the F to Jamaica and got a free transfer to the N6. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 22 13:57:33 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by bigv. on Thu Mar 22 10:30:51 2012. When you use an Unlimited MetroCard the display on the bus just says "Ok", on the subway I think it just says "go".I wish they brought back fun passes. I have a Pay-Per-Ride card that I occasionally use, but sometimes I need to use a few rides and an unlimited card would help. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Mar 22 15:39:14 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by bigv. on Thu Mar 22 10:30:51 2012. When transferring from subway to bus, it's not your watch, not the bus driver's watch, but the clock on the farebox that governs the transaction. I have noticed the the clock on some fareboxes can be significantly off the correct time.I wonder. If the farebox on a certain bus is running 20 minutes ahead of actual time, someone uses a PPR MetroCard on that bus, rides to a subway station, and uses the card to enter the subway 15 minutes after using it on the bus. The clock on the AFC system is in sync with actual time. Would the system honor a transfer that was issued five minutes in the future? |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Mar 22 16:39:08 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Dec 18 09:11:03 2008. If the concept is selling transit use for a certain period of time, then why bother with any restrictions? It only makes it more difficult for people to use the system effectively.Permitting multiple entrances into the subway allows for transfers at locations where no physical facilities exist, thereby saving time for the passenger, and alleviates the building of transfer facilities that only a few people might ever use. Think about the transfer between the J train at Lorimer St station and the G train at Broadway station. Permitting multiple entrances onto the "same" bus route alleviates the problems of short turns, limited stops, overcrowding and break downs. The real concern is for the MTA to be able to minimize revenue changes by continuing to be able to collect two fares from a person making a round-trip to some destination; the public concern is being able to complete an arbitrary one-way trip on a single fare. I think that a time period of about 3 to 4 hours allows both concerns to be satisfied (i.e., work trips would continue to require two fares, while long trips and trips involving infrequent bus service would only require a single fare). |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Mar 22 20:21:56 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by bigv. on Thu Mar 22 10:30:51 2012. On the other hand I've gotten at least one freebie, probably for the same reason. I rode the subway to Penn Station, watched a basketball game at the Garden and then got a transfer on the Q32 bus after the game. I'm sure it was a least 3 hours between the swipe and the dip. |
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Posted by bigv. on Thu Mar 22 23:25:46 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Mar 22 15:39:14 2012. I didn't know time is shown. Is date assumed to be correct and time shows am/pm as may be off 12 hours. What about when clocks get set for EST/EDT. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Mar 22 23:28:42 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by bigv. on Thu Mar 22 23:25:46 2012. I think the farebox's time is only displayed on the driver's side of the box. You could ask the driver what time the farebox has. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Mar 22 23:41:48 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Mar 22 15:39:14 2012. That's a very good question. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Fri Mar 23 08:07:33 2012, in response to "Metrocard transfer"-- the MTA.info answer, posted by gbs on Tue Dec 16 03:19:46 2008. As I said much earlier in this very old thread, this is the price we pay for having a system using 20th century technology in the 21st century. There should be one day metrocards costing the same as 3 entries...and a system where a pay as you go metrocard caps at the same pricer (a la the capping of London PAYG oyster cards). No transfers in Lodon but the one day cards take care of the problem as well as the capping feature of oyster cards. Like with countdown timers, the culture of the NYC Transit system says it can't or should be done. Of course it can be done; it should have been done a decade ago. As far as giving your card to somebody else, which I would assume is the paranoid NYC viewpoint of why it can't be done, require a $5 deposit for the smart card. People won't be so quick to give them away to others. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Mar 23 08:42:03 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by merrick1 on Thu Mar 22 20:21:56 2012. I've had it both ways for subway - M15 transfers. Being charged a new fare in less than two hours and not being charged after more than two and a half hours. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Mar 23 09:07:54 2012, in response to Re: ''Metrocard transfer''-- the MTA.info answer, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Mar 23 08:07:33 2012. There would still need to be some sort of time-out to prevent several people from entering the same station on one card by passing it back over the turnstile. Currently up to four people can enter on one card, but four fares are charged. I guess the last location used could be recorded on the card, and another fare charged if it is used again at the same station within some specified time, like the current 18 minutes.On buses, the actual run # or something similar, rather than just the line, could be recorded on the card to prevent multiple people from boarding the same bus on one card, but still allow a person to stop off along a route, then board a later bus. |
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