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Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els |
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Posted by Mellow One on Mon Sep 22 14:22:41 2008, in response to Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 12:41:35 2008. Read the first sentences of the message again. The dual third rails appeared as part of the Dual Contracts mess and waste.Dangerous, certainly, if you do not watch what you are doing, or if you are not supposed to be on the tracks. The Chicago El still uses the open el third rail. The Myrtle Ave El used it up until the lower portion of the line was demolished. The safest method of rapid transit electric contact appears to be overhead wire. However, subway clearances usually dictate the use of a third rail. The NY Central type of underruning third rail is probably the safest variety of that category. The Philadelphia El opted for that type of third rail. I wonder, when the Els converted from steam to electricity, if there was any serious consideration for using overhead wire instead of third rail. After all, there was plenty of open air above the structure. The BRT was committed to surface running with overhead wire for the outlying extensions of the els. The rival ownerships of the troley lines in the Bronx prevented the Manhattan Els from expanding northward or otherwise on surface routes in that quarter. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by Mellow One on Mon Sep 22 15:50:43 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by TunnelRat on Sun Sep 21 23:23:33 2008. What are you referring to as the 155th St yard?The 158th St Elevated yard was north of the stadium and disappeared long before the Polo Grounds Shuttle ceased operation. |
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Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Mon Sep 22 16:18:28 2008, in response to Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 12:41:35 2008. What you mean????Good reply Mellow One. Especially your point about people who shouldn't be on the tracks. David |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 16:44:41 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Mellow One on Mon Sep 22 15:50:43 2008. typo error,I meant 158st.obviously some remants of the yard exsisted untill abandoment of the shuttle.I,ll let JOE field that one. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 16:54:25 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by poobaa on Sun Sep 21 21:13:19 2008. Will LIRR and MNR both share track in GCTNegative. LIRR will have a separate ESA (East Side Access) terminal with no rail connection to GCT. LIRR and MNR (and AMTK and NJT) will POSSIBLY - Elliot Sander has promised it, so it must be true! - share trackage at NYP (New York Penn Station). The plan, as I have heard it, entails MNR M8s having a third rail shoe system which would be able to work both on MNR and on LIRR/AMTK. I don't know whether the efforts will actually turn out a successful product, or whether any MNR train will ever run to NYP in regular service. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 16:59:32 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by poobaa on Sun Sep 21 21:21:08 2008. Only MNR New Haven Line trains will be using M8s; maybe CT DOT/AMTK SLE trains will use them at some later point.NO plans for LIRR to use M8s (which wouldn't fit in either the ESA or FBA tunnels, probably). No LIRR trains use catenary. The plan is for LIRR's next order of EMUs to be M9s, which will either be an order purely for expansion for ESA service increases, or possibly also an order to replace LIRR's M3s, and those would only use the third rail for power supply. The details of that order aren't yet available. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:01:16 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 21 21:50:25 2008. When the M8 trains debut MTA would have to rebuild both sets of 3rd rails on BOTH lines so that LIRR and MNRR trains could run on each others ROWs and where AMTRAK shares trackage with both of them.No! The plan - whether it will be actualized or not, we shall see - is for the M8s to be able to use both types of third rail. There is no plan to switch MNR's third rail to AMTK/LIRR style. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 22 17:03:25 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Sep 22 12:47:07 2008. Like the Temple in Jerusalem. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:08:58 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 16:44:41 2008. If I recall although I was not as railfan savvy as I am now, the only actual "yard" in the vicinity of 155 St that I can recall was one of the remaining 9 Av local tracks that sort of, but not quite, stub ended at 155 St. From what I have seen about 9 Av operation, the track configuration was such that local trains turned directly back from the 2 westernmost tracks of 155 St station and express trains used the 2 easternmost tracks to continue to the Bronx. The station sort of resembled a 4 track 2 island platform express station. I recall seeing a 2 car train laid up on one of the former local tracks as I looked down on the structure from my father's car as we drove across the 155 St viaduct. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:27:27 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 07:57:29 2008. The IRT prewar stock never received H type automatic drawheads. Although the J type couplers used on IRT eqipment made air as well as mechanical connections, thes were not done automatically. First, J type couplers did not have atppets but only open gasket sockets so that after the mechanical couplong was made, the air line angle cocks had to be opened between the cars. When it ws necessary to cut, the locks on the drawheads had to be opened manually by a lever on the coupler. Electrical connections were done on both Hi-V and Lo-V cars by means of jumpers located near the sides of the cars on the Hi-vs and under the drawhead on Lo-Vs. Also, whereas the tappets on H drawheads met at 45 degree angles, the gasket sockets on J drawheads met at 90 degree angles to each other so that in the event of an emergecy requiring coupling (iron only) a Hi or Lo-V to an R type car, the tappets on the H drawhead would be destroyed. And befor you ask, when I was a M/M I was Lo-V qualified and that's where I picked up this info. As an aside, I understand that the first 12 Steinway cars also known as "boilers" were equipped with an H drawhead and a slide type electric portion like the BMT steels. Due, however to the steep grades in the Steinway Tunnels combined with the nature of a slide type of electric portion, the slides were prone to breakage and the IRT decided to return to the jumpers and J drawheads which were recently installed on the Hi-Vs and which were perceived to be more reliable. By the way, due to the aforementioned problems between J and H drawheads, the museum Lo-Vs now do have H drawheads in the event they need to be coupled to SMEE cars. I would also imagine that they also now carry an H to Ohio Brass adapter for coupling to an R-142. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Sep 22 17:30:12 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:01:16 2008. Or, since trains from Connecticut will be using the hell gate line, have RETRACTABLE shoes. The cars would be running off the AC anyway.The FL9s had shoes that worked on both as delivered, according to what I've read about them. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:34:48 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Sep 22 17:30:12 2008. The cars would be running off the AC anyway.If M2s made the NHV-NYP run, OK. But the M8s will, to my knowledge, NOT be built with the capability to handle 25 Hz AC power, so they would be unable to travel into Queens that way. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:39:23 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 16:59:32 2008. Yes, but Amtrak trains which use catenary enter Penn Station and in pre Amtrak days, NHRR and PRR equipment which was catenary equipped also had to use the East River tunnels to access Sunnyside Yard and the NH mainline. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:43:50 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:39:23 2008. But in those days, of course, the NHV-BOS electrification hadn't been completed - although lots of other electrification had been completed, which was dismantled during the McGinnis era at the NYNH&HRR.And 60 Hz AC is the modern standard, whereas the early AC projects used 25 Hz. |
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Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:44:25 2008, in response to Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 12:41:35 2008. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I often wondered why also especially since the IRT was a relatively cheap outfit in terms of technological advances on its rolling stock. |
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Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:47:30 2008, in response to Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els, posted by Mellow One on Mon Sep 22 14:22:41 2008. I don't know what dual third rails had to do with the dual contracts, especially since the BRT/BMT was able to get by with using only elevated type third rail on portions where both subway and el cars operated and equipping its subway cars with a contact shoe that could wotk with either type. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:49:03 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:43:50 2008. There was also an experiment on LIRR to use AC catenary, but nothing came of it. |
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Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 22 17:53:43 2008, in response to Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:47:30 2008. Curious possibility ... according to documents I once saw in the state archives when I worked for the Public Service Commission, it appears as though the BMT and its predecessors had a habit of PATENTING most of what they did. Wonder if anyone can determine if there was a patent involved in the design of those shoes which would have made it very expensive for a "competitor" to do similar without getting hauled into court? BRT/BMT was always looking to collect royalties and often went after Interborough ... |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by Mellow One on Mon Sep 22 18:14:17 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:08:58 2008. See the map and images athttp://www.nycsubway.org/lines/9thave-el.html for views of the 155th St station and adjoining trackage before and after the 9th Ave el ceased operation. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 22 19:40:51 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 16:54:25 2008. The question is how they are going to deal with the section with no third rail yet electrified with 25Hz.I believe they chose (LIRR style) third railing Hell Gate to Harold over converting the section to 60 Hz. Paris' western suburbs had both over and under running third rails in the past but their under running third rail was positioned with dual capable shoes in mind to begin with. IIRC, they were also reversible to keep one side to be worn out more than the other.  Kawasaki will have to design a shoe that deals with two systems that weren't designed to be compatible. A much harder task, I think. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 20:01:15 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 12:35:59 2008. Hi Steve (T/R) I figured so...anyway...also - there was NO E.155th Street "yard" per se...the original full yards were a huge complex on all Elevated structure over private land with a center of El yards long single ramp track down to the lower ground level. There were also ground level tracks UNDER the overhead very wide Elevated yards...but not as many tracks below. Parts and materials deliveries arrived at the Lower ground level by trucks and were loaded to work trains to then take the ramp up tp the main EL yards and 9th Avenue EL structure mainline. Also old worn-out surplus wood El cars were variously scrapped down there. I believe (if I recall correctly without going to my archives to search just now)... the main yards at E. 158th - 159th streets survived completely intact after June 1940 NY City takeover of the IRT Company System. Hundreds of surplus and older era IRT EL Gate car motor and trailer cars were stored in that yard, pending disposition. Some ongoing parts removal was done for useable motor, electrical and various other spare parts retrieveal for maintaining the remaining large fleet of operating EL motor and trail cars on the remaining post June 1940 2nd Avenue EL (South Ferry / City Hall to Queens via Q-Boro Bridge) and entire length 3rd Avenue EL Manhattan & Bronx route. EL Gate cars were taken via that ramp track to the lower level for parts stripping salvage and final body scrapping. I have 8x10 photos of track reconfigs work and removal of unneeded redunadant switches and lead-tracks being done in 1941 at the north end of the new "Shuttle line main yard lead" tracks. Fromw what I recall, the yard lasted thru WWII holding EL cars. Many good, useable MOTOR Gate EL cars from that yard ended up on the lower level to be trucked to other Railroad Line tracks for shipment by rail to the south for California ShipYard Railway and other States for wartime uses. Some were towed by Electric Locos in some regions in wartime factory worker transports. Many other surplus stored and worn out shape EL cars were scrapped for their various metals for the wartime efforts during thre war. Some few ACTIVE dedicated yard tracks held the remaining, after June 1940, layup stored MUDC's and Composites which ran shuttle services to the Bronx. Many running as 4 car shuttle trains during most and peak hours....two car sets in late Owl runs...thru the war years. The old 155th street end of the original terminal layout and the FOUR tracks and two island platforms (and single 5th westerly track and POLO Stadium direct attached platform) and huge southern end E.155th Street Station HEAD House stairways, connecting it to both the street below and overhead MaCombs Dam Bridge overpass sidewalk-ways, lasted in service until after the war...to approx. around 1948-9, "if" I RECALL correctly. Service on the shuttle had dropped somewhat after the war, except for weekday AM & PM rush hours (and riders from the NYCRR PUTNAM RR terminal across the River) and POLO Grounds Ball Games and other POLO Grounds hosted events after the war. Around the 1948 period (approx) it was decided to "truncate" and simplify the huge E.155th ST Terminal Station facilities, by removing the huge south end Head House facility and stairways entirely, along with the surplus westerly (former SB local and Express) island platform and trackbeds. The sole remaining former NB Express & Local Island Platform was shortened about 100 feet on the south end. It had been able to hold EIGHT car lengths originally. It now could hold about 6 cars total, each track to the new relocated southern bumpers. Passenger Access to the sole remaining shortened former NB Island platform, was facilitated by the always existing north platform end smaller exit stairway kiosks and mezzannine and street stairways just before the curves east to the Harlem River EL Bridge. This was also part of a City "waterfront and Stadium" area beautification improvements project which included a adjacent 2-block long new park and grounds on the east side of the terminal - between it and the river. Also to "open" up the street and area to more light. New blacktop paving and newer streetlights and sidewalk trees were added, and the EL structure was freshly re-painted. Also, as part of the "improvements", the supporting western side of the El structure and west sidewalk line columns, which supported that former SB island platform and the SB Local Track and the additional "Polo Grounds Building" attached seperate isolated long Platform and its "5th" westerly dedicated long straight track of the 5 track complex. That "5th" westerly track and the one "stadium-side attached" solo platform, abandoned and disconnected since June 1940 end of 9th Avenue EL services, originally allowed game rider-fans direct entry to and from the stadium building proper at EL track level, to and from the assigned "game special trains" during the pre-June 1940 9th Avenue EL full main route service days. The track girders for the former SB Express track (track # 4 of total 5 tracks counting west from the Harlem River edge) remained, retained intact and exposed, trackless, at the cut away edge of the remaining retained EL structure. Likely as additional bracing support for the remaining cross bent sections for the length of the station structure...and the El columns that were located longitudally along, under that exposed one-track structure track-girderwork. The huge and now long-empty of stored EL cars for years, virtually useless and use-abandoned 158th-159th st. yards were no longer needed...as trains could be off-peak stored on the westerly (former NB Express) track and former NB island platform side. Extra Shuttle Trains were also stored at the WOODLAWN Jerome Line yards, and shopped there. By 1948-up to early 1950, two car Composite or MUDC trains were the norm in service...except for 4 car trains on Game and other POLO Stadium "Events" days. Thus, the yards were also totally removed then, leaving very short straight stub-ends on the north end of the Shuttle line structure over Eighth Avenue where the tracks curved to meet the Bridge. That I hope should cover it all, basically. Joe F |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 20:16:32 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:27:27 2008. Hello Randy OTHANKS for that coupler correction...you are likely absolutely very correct...I knew the IRT SMEE's (and other SMEE's) had H heads and thats what threw me off a bit. I well recall the connection cables under IRT Subway Low and HI V's (and wood EL cars with Van Dorn link & pin couplers) (and the HI-V Jumpers) and now realize -per you, that the pre-war IRT subway "J" couplers WERE retained....I also do recall those few early era Steinways getting the H heads and that also put me a bit astray. Good to have many old heads like us to re-connect a tiny few "loose" detail pieces properly, at times...heh ! Its all slowly fading history and tidbits. regards - Joe |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 20:20:24 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 22 19:40:51 2008. The question is how they are going to deal with the section with no third rail yet electrified with 25Hz.I believe they chose (LIRR style) third railing Hell Gate to Harold over converting the section to 60 Hz. One easy solution would have been for M8s to simply use the materials to handle 25 Hz, but that would increase the weight, and probably they figured why do that on account of pie in the sky scheme, anyway. It's fairly apparent that NYP isn't going to get any less busy. Perhaps they will simply MNR trains to Sunnyside station, and have a same-platform transfer to NYP trains. That seems to me the best way to run it - have the terminal on MNR trains via Hell Gate be HPA. Of course, depending on how HAROLD is re-configured, who knows who easy/hard that move from the Hell Gate to HPA would be. Right now, it's a very easy move, especially if one 'wrong rails' a little bit of the way south/west of GATE. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 20:22:33 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 22 19:40:51 2008. Paris' western suburbs had both over and under running third rails in the past but their under running third rail was positioned with dual capable shoes in mind to begin with. IIRC, they were also reversible to keep one side to be worn out more than the other.OOps I clicked too soon to respond to your Paris illustration. Very interesting. My guess is that some reversible mechanism will be used in this effort too, just by appearances, but I'm really out of my element in talking about it, so I'll leave it to the experts. |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 20:57:12 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 20:01:15 2008. TYPO CORRECTION TO MY PARAGRAPH # 11 counting down from top...in the first sentence...per my reply to Steve T-Rat..should read as: ..." The track girders for the former SOUTHBOUND EXPRESS >--> "track # 3" <--< ....." (and not as text-shown, as "track # 4") Joe F |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 20:58:57 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 20:20:24 2008. Quick question.a friend said that at one time the NYC ran into NYP via hellgate,I said he was wrong.who is right? |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by RedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 22 21:05:33 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 20:58:57 2008. Steve: There never was a regular service like that though there certainly could have been a special move like when FDR would travel from Washington to Hyde Park.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by poobaa on Mon Sep 22 21:18:54 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by RedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 22 21:05:33 2008. No move like that but Amtrak did go into GCT in place of NYP in resent history on a temp basis |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 21:26:30 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by RedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 22 21:05:33 2008. thanks,I thought I was right. |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Sep 22 22:43:20 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:43:50 2008. What electrification was dismantled by McGinnis? |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Sep 22 22:50:19 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 20:58:57 2008. Maybe your friend is thinking of the Penn Central? |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 23:29:29 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Sep 22 20:58:57 2008. Not that I know of....Maybe he meant the NYNH&H? |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 23:33:05 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Dave on Mon Sep 22 22:43:20 2008. For sure, the NY Connecting Railroad/Bay Ridge Branch I believe, and others stuff that one sees remnants of in CT right into present day. I'll leave the question to our more knowledgeable historians.McGinnis Administration plans were for the dual mode FL9s to do most of the work, and to cut back on electric-hauled freight. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Sep 23 00:47:37 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 07:57:29 2008. Ok, you meant the WABCO J1A couplers. I had never heard themcalled "Janney" and was wondering if you knew of an attribution for that nickname. As Randy pointed out, the IRT cars never went to the H couplers. However, the famous Lo-V museum train was thus converted so it could couple in an emergency to other H head (H2A or H2C) equipment. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Sep 23 01:37:02 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Sep 22 12:53:06 2008. I hope they keep the outfield walls, the foul pole, flag pole, the black seats and the dugouts. These would all be needed for the PSAL field anyway. I would really love from them to preserve the entire outer wall (by the El) with the frieze.I heard recently that they are gonna take down The Bat. I had once heard the contrary. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Sep 23 01:50:17 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Sep 22 12:53:06 2008. Isn't the field supposed to be raised or something? I thought I heard something about that. Honestly, they should keep the whole thing the way it is, have high school baseball teams use the field and turn the rest into a museum. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Sep 23 02:14:14 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 20:01:15 2008. great info. Thanks! |
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Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Sep 23 05:43:23 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Sep 23 00:47:37 2008. Hello Jeff H ALSO Thanks for the additional Janney Coupler (WABCO) and Low-V Tech Info....and I always enjoy reading your indepth very informational rolling stock and other data and technical postings. I now in retrospect do recall info that the Museum Low-V's having the H2- type couplers - as well as otherwise always knowing H2- coupler types were standard for all SMEE types...and long ago simply overlooked that the Low V Museum H2- couplers were compatability-upgrades only to the Low-V Museum set...thus my error comment about IRT going from Janney to H2 heads for all Pre-War IRT subway fleets. regards - Joe F |
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Posted by 5119 on Tue Sep 23 06:13:57 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 11:00:42 2008. Excellent Historical Account! |
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Posted by 5119 on Tue Sep 23 06:31:09 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Sep 22 20:16:32 2008. Thanks Randyo. Now I know why the IRT never used electric portions under the couplers of their pre-war equipment. The book "Interborough Fleet" mentioned that they were removed, but didn't know the reasons whythey were. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Tue Sep 23 07:03:15 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by SMAZ on Tue Sep 23 01:37:02 2008. so much for that, i THOUGHT they were just gonna preserve the whole thingi heard something about the replacement park being built near the river on contaminated land or something. that woulda been a better solution not that i give a flying donkey about the yankees, but i dunno, if the people like the stadium, then the people should keep it! whatever happened to that red sox jersey that was supposed to have been buried in the new yankee stadium? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Sep 23 10:00:28 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 22 19:40:51 2008. IIRC, they were also reversible to keep one side to be worn out more than the other.That should have been: IIRC, they were also reversible to avoid one side to be worn out more than the other. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 23 10:07:21 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Sep 23 01:50:17 2008. The problem is maintenance. You'd still have to maintain the 50000+ seat stadium. No, best plan that doesn't include total demolition is to remove most of it. Don't forget, they still have to replace the lost parkland that the new stadium was built on, the old stadium site is a large chunk of that. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 23 10:13:52 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by SMAZ on Tue Sep 23 01:37:02 2008. That's not even the original freize. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 23 11:19:21 2008, in response to Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 22 17:53:43 2008. If true, the BMT could have charged the IRT for the rights to use a dual-rail shoe. Seems cheaper than maintaining two third rails. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 23 11:19:48 2008, in response to Re: Dual third rails on the IRT Els, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 22 17:47:30 2008. Did IRT el and subway cars use the same voltages? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 23 14:01:24 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Sep 20 19:19:21 2008. You probably misread what I wrote here ... in the section called "The 1940s Expansion Proposal".I wrote: "Speculation has it that the connection between the 9th Ave El and the Lenox Ave line never occurred because the third rail in the tunnel between Sedgwick and Jerome/Andersen Avenues would need to be modified to accommodate newer subway cars, and the cost may have been too great." It wasn't the tunnels but the location of the third rail. I don't have my source for this quotation available. --Mark |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 23 16:05:20 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:34:48 2008. The M-8s will have to be able to operate on that type of power since they share trackage with Amtrak N/O New Rochelle. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 23 16:08:15 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Sep 22 17:43:50 2008. But there was still catenary wire through the E River tunnels for PRR engines to access Sunnyside Yd and NHRR trains to operate through to New Haven where the motive power change was made. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 23 16:12:40 2008, in response to Re: Yankee Stadium and the old IRT 9th Ave. El Connection, posted by poobaa on Mon Sep 22 21:18:54 2008. In 1989 when I went to Chicago, Amtrak trains that were former NYC or NH trains operated into GCT regularly. Sometime in the 1990s (I'm not sure of the exact year), all Amtrak service was routed into Penn Station and GCT became exclusively the domain of the MTA. |
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