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To the Reef |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008 Not my photo - found while surfing the web:
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 13:52:49 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. Nice shot |
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Posted by RAILFAN_7_40st on Sun Sep 14 14:07:28 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. old pic!! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 14:23:26 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. SHAMEBULL IGNORANCE ABUSE |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Sep 14 14:47:11 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. ABANDON TRAIN!!!!! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Sep 14 14:51:08 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 14:23:26 2008. ROBUST |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Sep 14 15:03:54 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Sep 14 14:51:08 2008. AND, banany-e |
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Posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 16:17:22 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. Excuse me for sounding stupid, but I know close to nothing regarding the New York Subway.Does the MTA actually "drown" subway cars when they get old? Is there a reason for doing this? How long has this been going on? Is this not extremely wasteful? Can they not recycle them in some way? I am just shocked to learn that this evens occurs. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 16:45:24 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 16:17:22 2008. Yes, the MTA has been doing this since the year 2001...With the redbird cars.The reason for this is to create "artificial reefs", while there ARE better ways of doing this. And yes, it IS wasteful. They claim it is cheaper to do it this way, because the cars have some asbestos, which would have to be remediated if they want to scrap them. Funny it didn't stop them when they scrapped the LIRR M1 cars. Stainless steel is expensive, and a good material. The grade used on those cars is very high quality. Reefing regular steel cars is not as bad, I guess, but stiill, a WASTE. It is shocking, because it is wrong. The MTA managment is very corrupt, and they really are too clumsy, and just plain idiotic, not to mention, they are liars, and play politics too much. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 14 17:23:42 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Sep 14 15:03:54 2008. is it a venecian train? |
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Posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 19:23:34 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 16:45:24 2008. Thanks for the details.Is the artificial reef working? What had the MTA done prior to 2001? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 19:50:02 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 19:23:34 2008. Before 2001, they would scrap the trains, and recycle the metal.They did the same thing with the LIRR M1s(a few years ago), except they shipped the cars to mexico to be scrapped. The artificial reefs are working, and if you go to these sites: http://njscuba.net/reefs/site_nj02sg_path_cars.html http://newjerseyscuba.net/reefs/site_nj_redbirds.html http://newjerseyscuba.net/reefs/site_nj_brightliners.html you can see more info there. |
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Posted by metropod on Sun Sep 14 20:17:12 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 16:17:22 2008. please don't listen to K-Car. His village posted, wanting their idiot back, but when he got there they took one look and wanted a refund.the reef project is much less expensive than having the cars scraped. New Jersey, Delaware and the other states who are part of the project keep asking for more and more cars, to the point there are not enough to go around. Asbestos is only harmful airborn, so this is a not only a safe, but a green way of disposing of the cars. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Sep 14 20:25:33 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 16:45:24 2008. There is nothing shocking about making a fiscally and environmentally sound decision. There is nothinc corrupt, idiotic, clumsy, or wrong about it.IIRC, the only reason the M1s were not sunk like the redbirds was that there are no suitable barge loading spots from the commuter rail maintenance facilities. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 20:46:41 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 16:17:22 2008. They are recycling the cars. The cars dumped in the ocean are providing a scaffold for fish and crustaceans. They are serving a very useful environmental purpose.The definition of recycling is reuse of material. The subway cars are being reused. It's better to reuse a subway car for that than to use virgin materials (requiring more energy) to make artificial reefs. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 21:08:11 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 20:46:41 2008. Thank you for repeatedly PROVING that your BEHIND has a limitless supply of BULL, and your MIND has a lack of KNOWLEDGE and SENSE.Reusing would be to REBUILD THE CARS. This "reefing" is a glorified garbage disposal. Plus, you obviously don't realize how much energy goes into making new stainless steel. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:12:50 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 21:08:11 2008. Do me a favor. If you ever post anything that you have a clue what you are talking about, would you e-mail me with a linl so I can see it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 21:23:22 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:12:50 2008. Is that before or after he collects his welfare check? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 14 21:28:31 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by R30A on Sun Sep 14 20:25:33 2008. Not even the Bay Ridge barge transfer facility or the Brooklyn Army Terminal? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:41:07 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 21:23:22 2008. I wasn't aware that he was on welfare. I thought he was still leachng off his family. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 14 21:42:50 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 21:23:22 2008. Welfare? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 21:50:53 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by R30A on Sun Sep 14 20:25:33 2008. Did the M1s have the same asbestos abatement issues? By the early 1970s, use of asbestos probably abated in a huge way.I actually wouldn't bet on the R44/46s being reefed when they're retired, but that depends on how much, if any, contaminants are being used as insulation. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 22:05:39 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 21:50:53 2008. "I actually wouldn't bet on the R44/46s being reefed when they're retired,"And you'd be partially correct. The R-44s overhauled by MK had asbestos abatement done as part of the overhaul but the R-44s done in Coney Island did not - or was it the other way around? I don't know for sure about the R-46s. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 14 22:08:23 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:41:07 2008. My bad |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 22:21:25 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 22:05:39 2008. Thanks for the (partial) confirmation of my suspicion. Some on here tend to think that no one at NYCT is aware of the going cost for stainless steel recovery, but they fail to take into account regulatory difficulties that come into play given the materials used in rolling stock of that era. (I have even heard a high-up politico (who shall remain anonymous) saying, this year, that the reefing of cars should be looked into, said in a way that suggested that s/he would be able to make political hay out of it!).As for which sets had the abatements done, if YOU don't know, then I definitely don't know! I'd speculate, though, that asbestos abatement was at least somewhat fiscally feasible on the 1970s-era cars because by then many manufacturers were likely using less of the stuff, although they probably still used it for certain insulation applications. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Sep 14 22:34:07 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 14 21:41:07 2008. No you are wrong, he sorts glass! |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 09:32:14 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by SMAZ on Sun Sep 14 17:23:42 2008. Most likely. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Sep 15 19:39:58 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 16:17:22 2008. Nothing stupid about the question. Retired cars years ago actually met the torch and were cut up. Naporano was one company that I recall scrapping many a beloved subway car type. Nowadays with asbestos being an issue, and many forms of sea life being endangered, retired subway cars now serve as artificial reefs which is more environmentally friendly. K-car has his reservations because he foams over the older car types. Well, who doesn't? But we have our limits and use common sense. Guys like Train Dude, randyo and Westcode44 to name a few are good reference posters because they have, and still work with the equipment to a certain degree. Oh by the way, Welcome To SubChat.Lord Vader |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Sep 15 20:31:43 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by Lord Vader on Mon Sep 15 19:39:58 2008. Using crab cages, concrete, and the like is BETTER than subway cars, in my opinion... |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Mon Sep 15 20:40:24 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. Sad sighting, so long old friends. :( |
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Posted by CentrolinerDD on Mon Sep 15 21:13:40 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Sep 14 19:50:02 2008. Thanks. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Sep 15 21:56:47 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Sep 15 20:31:43 2008. 
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 15 23:07:13 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Sep 14 22:21:25 2008. Well, to put it into perspective, asbestos abatement for a subway car in 2004 was about $30,000/car. Hence, dispite what some lesser informed here might claim, reefing makes sense. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 15 23:09:05 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Sep 15 20:31:43 2008. "Using crab cages, concrete, and the like is BETTER than subway cars, in my opinion... " and we all know what that opinion is worth, don't we? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Sep 15 23:49:12 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by Train Dude on Mon Sep 15 23:07:13 2008. All that proves is that the MTA knows how to overpay for everything...:( |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Sep 16 03:27:33 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Sep 15 23:49:12 2008. How much do you charge to remove asbestos from subway cars? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 16 10:19:59 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by CentrolinerDD on Sun Sep 14 19:23:34 2008. Please, weigh the opinions of other posters here before even LOOKING at a post by this particular induhvidiual. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 16 10:21:30 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Sep 16 03:27:33 2008. Does he even know how much the equipment to do it correctly costs? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 16 11:23:02 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 16 10:19:59 2008. Thank you for a typical, unoriginal post. |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Sep 16 12:21:19 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 16 11:23:02 2008. Thank you for being an idiot. (R16/R2730, I hope you don't mind if I borrow this) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 16 12:22:19 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. Sorry R32, it was nice knowing ya. :-D |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 16 12:35:05 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 16 11:23:02 2008. But strangely accurate and factual. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 16 12:39:29 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, being recycled, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Sep 14 22:34:07 2008. That commercial is unintentionally hilarious. |
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Posted by poobaa on Tue Sep 16 12:42:58 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by R30A on Sun Sep 14 20:25:33 2008. Not true LIRR connects to two car floats that could be used. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Sep 16 12:47:34 2008, in response to To the Reef, posted by BMTLines on Sun Sep 14 13:12:32 2008. Very nice picture! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Sep 16 14:49:11 2008, in response to Re: To the Reef, posted by metropod on Tue Sep 16 12:21:19 2008. |
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