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(PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008

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Now that I have your full attention...

That car is actually Bombardier R-62A Car #2079 (IIRC). The face of this car has been modified for the upcoming film, The Taking of the Pelham 1-2-3. The interior has been modified as well to resemble a R142 Series Car.

Why take a perfectly good R-62A and turn it into a R-142 you ask while there is over 1,000 R-142s running around? Well for those of you who seen the ORIGINAL Pelham movie, you remember that the front car was detached from the rest of the train. You can not readily detach the first car of the current R-142 class cars. So this car was made to run (not run in a sense mechanically, but to be "dragged/pushed") with a 5-car R-142 set as a "dummy" R-142 that will join it for that scene where they seperate the first car from the rest of the train.

I can't wait to see this flick, if they are going through all this for this movie, I'm hoping it doesn't dissappoint.

Regards,
T.L.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Phil D. on Mon May 19 21:13:32 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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I think I just had a heart attack.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by (5) Bronx Exp on Mon May 19 21:13:50 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Nice Catch!!!

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Nilet on Mon May 19 21:17:15 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Damn it! Now it's my turn.



Do you have any idea when and where that scene is going to be filmed? Or where this car is being kept in the meantime?

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by metropod on Mon May 19 21:25:26 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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you know, that's not a half bad idea. of course the ovbious clue something is up is the lack of jump seats.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 19 21:34:44 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Interesting...

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by xtimx on Mon May 19 21:40:14 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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i can't tell exactly how many modifications were made but was that r-62 about to be scrapped? it looks like that train has been completely changed to the point of not being worth it to return it to normal.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 21:51:07 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Obvious stupid question: why go through all that trouble making an R62 look like an R142? Why not just use R62's?

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by 7 Local on Mon May 19 21:52:13 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by xtimx on Mon May 19 21:40:14 2008.

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Unless the filmmakers pay the full amount to restore it back to its former self. Or it could just lie around like the Money Train and become some sort of museum car.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Phil D. on Mon May 19 21:57:01 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 21:51:07 2008.

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Because the 6 runs R142s

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon May 19 22:05:51 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Cool!

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:19:43 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Now there will be overfoaming if someone from here sees one of those on the 7 or something. Especially consideringthe excitement of having siemens and alsthom propulsion working together.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:20:24 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by xtimx on Mon May 19 21:40:14 2008.

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Guy, it looks like they just swapped out the fiberglass bonet, that is relatively easy to do.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by xtimx on Mon May 19 22:30:05 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 22:20:24 2008.

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look inside the door in the shots. the seats are 142 style, the wall is, they have an lcd attached to the side. not just the bonnet.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Amanda on Mon May 19 22:33:49 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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I think it would have looked better with the R62 and having the green 6 bullet in the front. I doubt most people care that the 6 runs R142s exclusively. I think many outside people connect NYC subway cars to the colorful numbers/letters.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 22:40:45 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Phil D. on Mon May 19 21:57:01 2008.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Neil Feldman on Mon May 19 22:43:50 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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And also 8837 in real number is that of an R160B (Non Siemans). I'd say thats wierd in itself. And dragged by an R68A!

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Amanda on Mon May 19 23:10:33 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 22:40:45 2008.

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Classic!

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon May 19 23:15:21 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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I'm surprised they didn't number the car 7339!

-w-


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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 23:19:06 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Amanda on Mon May 19 23:10:33 2008.

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It's better than the actual words.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 19 23:26:13 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 22:40:45 2008.

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LOL! When words can't say it...

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon May 19 23:28:25 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Wow, that's pretty incredible! Good catch. For a sec there I thought those were actually photoshopped! :)

IMO, I think this R62A would most likely end up like the R22 Money Train car 51010. It really looks like the crews (I'm assuming CIY did it since they also worked on the R22 car) painstakingly did a lot of work to change her into an R142. And besides, I don't think they'll just spend lots of money just changing the car back to a R62A before scrapping it a few years later.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 23:41:00 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 22:40:45 2008.

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Is that the excellent Jeane-luc Picard? He has a COOL name that guy.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon May 19 23:56:01 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Amanda on Mon May 19 22:33:49 2008.

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I think many outside people connect NYC subway cars to the colorful numbers/letters.

True. Also, I bet most people (including New Yorkers) wouldn't be too thrown by seeing an R-62/A as a 6 since they did run there for many years and may run there again in the future. Accuracy will probably be thrown out the window in parts anyway. I think the real reason is that the MTA wants to use this film to sport a new image to the country about what their subway is like. And they only want to show the newest and most modern looking equipment they have. This wouldn't be the first time since the last Taking of Pelhem displayed a train in near-mint condition when in reality a 6 train at that time would have likely been heavily tagged at least on the inside. And for The French Connection, they insisted that R-42s be used since they had less graffiti.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue May 20 00:09:28 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon May 19 23:28:25 2008.

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It would be funny if it could run with other R-62A's as an oddball car. I doubt that would work since it's probably prop-condition and not actual seating like a real R-142 would have. But it's not quite as severely altered as that Money Train.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by R42 4787 on Tue May 20 00:18:11 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue May 20 00:09:28 2008.

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Perhaps it could become a R62A GOH prototype in a trial project to rebuild the R62/68 to NTT standards.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by R30A on Tue May 20 00:19:08 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue May 20 00:18:11 2008.

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no.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue May 20 00:23:16 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue May 20 00:09:28 2008.

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Yeah it would've been funny, but I doubt it would happen. Like someone posted earlier though, accuracy wiil at one point be thrown out the window, so it would make sense I guess for the car to not be servely changed...given that the R62s/142s look a bit similar in appearance.

On the other hand though, I doubt the car will be changed back to an R62A, since sooner or later, her sister cars will eventually be scrapped / reefed in a few more years.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by R30A on Tue May 20 00:24:38 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue May 20 00:23:16 2008.

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I wouldnt consider 10-20 years "a few more"

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by monorail on Tue May 20 00:35:34 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Phil D. on Mon May 19 21:13:32 2008.

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get the number for nine-one-one, and get some medical assistance immediately!!!!!!!!!

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue May 20 00:42:46 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue May 20 00:23:16 2008.

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It still seems like a waste if that R-62A is permanently out of service just for movie shooting purposes, especially with these talks about A-division car shortages. As R30A mentioned, they have at least another 10 to 20 years before retirement, unless they're prematurely retired for greater standardization or something, but I doubt that would happen.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue May 20 00:54:18 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue May 20 00:42:46 2008.

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Agreed, especially since despite the problems on A-division though, lots of things can happen...like already 3 R62s were reefed early this year, one in which could've been an excellent candidate to be changed for the movie. Of course I agree that they have 10-20 more years in them...but it's MTA we're talking about here....

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 20 01:07:07 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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why not use a regular R62 ??
or hire the ''train of many colors''
that would show more class !!!
oh well what do i know ??
rofl

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by South Ferry on Tue May 20 02:15:19 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by monorail on Tue May 20 00:35:34 2008.

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hope he has Vonage...

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by South Ferry on Tue May 20 02:18:20 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Am I seeing things or is the motorman's cab compartment door actually further BACK than usual?????

It almost looks like the partition wall is at the hinge of the ajar door in the second photo (meaning no 2-seater between the first doorset and the partition wall)..

Must be 1 roomy cab, brah!!

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by South Ferry on Tue May 20 02:18:58 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon May 19 22:05:51 2008.

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Huh?

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by mr_brian on Tue May 20 02:57:19 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 22:40:45 2008.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 20 03:44:16 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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WOW.

Trev, you totally had me going there for a minute. My heart was in my throat.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Fred G on Tue May 20 04:13:22 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Amanda on Mon May 19 22:33:49 2008.

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I agree with you; these aren't NY cars in the eyes of the movie going public. This is the flip side to all the lack of complete authenticity we've seen in films. Now we have something authentic but it doesn't look right.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Phil D. on Tue May 20 07:51:44 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 20 03:44:16 2008.

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Over a train? What is this world coming too....

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 20 07:56:52 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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Moe, I think I'm gonna be sick.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 20 07:57:10 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon May 19 23:15:21 2008.

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Good point.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 20 07:57:38 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 19 23:19:06 2008.

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Aye-aye-aye comes to mind.:)

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue May 20 09:16:42 2008, in response to (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by rionOne on Mon May 19 21:10:20 2008.

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I wonder if that's a spare fiberglass bonnet grafted onto the front of that car ?

Bill "Newkirk"

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue May 20 11:12:49 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Phil D. on Tue May 20 07:51:44 2008.

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You are the last one to talk...foamer boy.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue May 20 11:13:47 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 20 01:07:07 2008.

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Did you even bother to read Trevor's explanation?

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue May 20 11:18:36 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by xtimx on Mon May 19 22:30:05 2008.

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That LCD is probably a mock-up. I wouldn't be surprised to see the car back in regular service one day with the seats and bonnet as-is, but the roll sign replaced.


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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue May 20 11:20:32 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon May 19 23:28:25 2008.

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>>>>And besides, I don't think they'll just spend lots of money just changing the car back to a R62A before scrapping it a few years later. <<<

Cost is no object IF the movie production company paid for it.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue May 20 11:23:07 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by R42 4787 on Tue May 20 00:18:11 2008.

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I'd like to see them retorfit FIND into the existing equipment.

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Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units...

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue May 20 11:25:04 2008, in response to Re: (PHOTO) The Arrival of the first R142B Single Units..., posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue May 20 00:54:18 2008.

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If those R62 are the ones I think they are, they could not be used for anything more than static use; their frames were bent and they could not safely operate, and I wouldn't want to be responsible for towing them around the system more than necessary.

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