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IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:13:50 2008 The last IND station before the Archer line, 57 Street (1968) is perhaps among my favorites. I like the "streamline moderne" design and "clean look" found here, compared to the later 1988 Archer line and the 1930s IND. The "Moderne" style first appeared in the prewar period and was still common into the postwar 1950s. The Chicago Transit Authority's Blue Line Dearborn Subway, built around the war and opened in 1951 is in a similar Moderne style to the IND's 57 Street.Here's some from yesterday:    
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 7 01:20:36 2008, in response to IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:13:50 2008. 57th/6th pulls off the modern look better than any other station. Maybe because it still looks clean and bright.The lady in the second picture looks like she was mad at you. lol |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 01:21:29 2008, in response to IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:13:50 2008. The station is nice, but those stairs are not practical at a station with heavy passenger flow. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 01:39:08 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 7 01:20:36 2008. She's very cute. Worth asking for a phone number... |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 01:41:46 2008, in response to IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:13:50 2008. Another way of describing it is it was the first of the new stations planned in the 1960s.I'd love to add an ADA elevator to it. It would not be terribly difficult to do. I'm not saying that because it's high in priority for one, but only because I think it would look cool wth one... |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 7 01:43:35 2008, in response to IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:13:50 2008. I like the New York-cautiously-suspicious look on the girl in the second picture, not knowing why she was (apparently) being photographed. She didn't know if you were a dating opportunity, a talent agent, a dangerous stalker, or (worst choice) a foamer. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 7 01:43:49 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 01:39:08 2008. lol, yea she is cute. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 7 01:44:26 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 7 01:43:35 2008. I like how foamer is worse than stalker. XD |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:56:15 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 01:41:46 2008. 57 Street IND still looks good for its age, even at almost 40. The Archer stations unfortunately do not have the same fate, as they have aged much in just over 19 years. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:00:02 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:56:15 2008. That's because the station probably wasn't used as much until the F came through. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:03:21 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:00:02 2008. Partly true. But others have pointed out that there were some unfortunately materials choices at Archer. Also, Jamaica-Van Wyck, one of the archer stations, gets hit by vandals a lot.I think the Archer stations are handsome designs, though. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:18:24 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:03:21 2008. They are horrible. The stairs are too narrow. Especially for people with so much luggage going to the airport, or racing to catch a bus at Parsons. There's nothing good about the Archer stations. It's sad to think they're supposed to be "modern". |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:20:37 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:18:24 2008. The stairs are ot too narrow. Parsons in particular is very good. The stairs are wide and there is more than one entrance stair. There is also an ADA elevator and escalators. The bus transfer facility at Parsons is nicely laid out. I have used it often. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:27:35 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:20:37 2008. Considering the fact that the escalators NEVER WORK, and everyone is forced to take the stairs to the street, the stairs are pretty narrow vs the foot traffic they are expected to handle. The stairs on the south side of Archer are no more than four feet wide. They can not accomodate people going up and down at the same time. Only in one direction. Usually, you'll bump into someone. The stairs at Sutphin that go to the subway platforms are pretty narrow. The ones to street level are average, but not wide. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:27:48 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:56:15 2008. Well... outside of Sutphin, the Archer stations arent THAT bad. Theyre just dark.Sutphin is terrible. For some reason, all three 63rd line stations have held up quite well. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:30:04 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:27:48 2008. Sutphin isn't that bad either (as of 2004, anyway) and the rebuild of Sutphin to give it the Central Elevator Bank connecting it directly to AirTrainand LIRR was great. Sutphin is the most accessible and convenient of the three. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:31:29 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:27:35 2008. "Considering the fact that the escalators NEVER WORK"They always worked for me. I've noticed that whe I show up to a station, things work OK most of the time. When you show up, everything goes to hell. I wonder about that... |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:33:30 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:31:29 2008. TA employees on this board can confirm that the escalators at Parsons were out-of-service for months. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:34:01 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:33:30 2008. But they don't. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:34:57 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:30:04 2008. The roof of sutphin is falling in, there are tents that have been up on the ceiling for years to keep people dry, the lights have been burned out since I started using the station in 1995.Sutphin is easily one of the 10 worst subway stations in the city. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:35:16 2008, in response to IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 01:13:50 2008. A scene of Serpico was filmed at the station when Al Pacino and Roberts were trying to get candy out of a vending machine.I do not remember vending machines in the NYC subway at all. When I was teenager I always wondered what was beyond the station before it was opened up for use and it was the last stop for the K, JFK express and B(?). |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:35:29 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:34:01 2008. No one cares. It's part of everyday life in NY. Out-of-service escalators is the norm. I've given examples many times. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:36:25 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:34:57 2008. And 205 on the D line is probably on that list. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:37:49 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:35:16 2008. On this website, there are photos of Far Rockaway with a Pepsi vending machine on the platform. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:38:15 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:35:29 2008. The reason they don't is because you're bullshitting us. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Mar 7 02:39:03 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 01:41:46 2008. I'd love to add an ADA elevator to it...because I think it would look cool wth one...Since when are elevators aesthetically pleasing? |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:39:18 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:36:25 2008. Perhaps, but compared to Sutphin, it is nothing.The MTA is quickly rebuilding the IND level of 59th st onto that list. The new NB local wall is already falling down and they havnt finished putting it up! |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:39:24 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by WillD on Fri Mar 7 02:39:03 2008. To me they are. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:40:33 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:34:57 2008. In terms of materials used, agreed it's not great. It's not among the 10worst though, not by a long shot. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:40:33 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:34:57 2008. In terms of materials used, agreed it's not great. It's not among the 10worst though, not by a long shot. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:40:52 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:40:33 2008. Can you show where the roof is caving in? |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 02:42:01 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:35:16 2008. Beyond the 57 Street station was a short set of tail tracks that remained until the IND 63 Street line opened in 1989. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:42:27 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:37:49 2008. My Father told me of the vending machines being all over the system and I have seen them in movies like "Midnight Cowboy" and "Taking of Pelham One, two, three".But I never saw one, at least the ones that were wedged into the pillars that were small and compact. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:42:27 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:40:52 2008. Take the escalator into the E platform, look upOn further thought, I really cannot think of a station in worse condition then Sutphin/Archer. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 02:44:24 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:42:27 2008. I really cannot think of a station in worse condition then Sutphin/Archer.BMT Chambers (J/M/Z) Smith-9 (F/G) 21 St-Van Alst (G) |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:44:40 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:42:27 2008. In 2004, that was certainly not the case. But nexttime I'm in town, I'll take a look. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:45:01 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 02:44:24 2008. All three are brighter, cleaner, and have less water damage. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:45:35 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by WillD on Fri Mar 7 02:39:03 2008. The ADA law forbids asking anyone what thier disability is.Just because someone may look normal they may have a disability that is not apparent visually. I'm shocked you do not know this Will D. Guess its not something taught in High School math |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:46:14 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:45:35 2008. What the hell does that have to do with Will's post? |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:46:14 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:45:01 2008. Chambers is not brighter. Cleaner maybe... |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:46:54 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:45:35 2008. He and I were discussing aesthetics... |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 02:47:19 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:45:01 2008. The elevated viaduct and platforms at Smith-9 have severe corrosion, BMT Chambers is in serious decay and 21 St-Van Alst is corroded and water logged with worn platforms. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:48:24 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:46:54 2008. Oh |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:48:52 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:39:18 2008. They're still working on 59th? God. How many decades is that going to take? |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Mar 7 02:49:01 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Mar 7 02:45:35 2008. Hey, it's fine, there are some cool looking elevator installations, I just can't think of any in subway stations. He can obsess over whatever he wants. Unfortunately I don't think there are any more windows left in his glass house. |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:49:47 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:46:14 2008. Chambers is a LOT brighter.http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?77077 Compared to http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?53849 |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:50:04 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 02:47:19 2008. Smith-9th is undergoing structural rehab soon. Its issues are far worse than the Archer stations.I haven't been to Archer-Sutphin recently, but considering Lincoln's low credibility for this stuff, I suspect he looks at cosmeric damage and finds major structural issues... |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:50:36 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:49:47 2008. Good evidence. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:50:53 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 02:48:52 2008. Dunno, but If the walls keep falling down, it wont end! |
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Re: IND 57 Street station |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 7 02:51:40 2008, in response to Re: IND 57 Street station, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 7 02:49:47 2008. Not proper comparison since you do not know all the camera settings. Visiting in person and using a light meter is more reliable. Ive been to both stations. |
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