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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 21:01:29 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 20:35:50 2008. As far as i know or remember, the Far Rockaway line was not a Penn Station line on weekends. It also wasn't like West Hempstead, it went through (as far as I know) to Brooklyn most of the time.I think the Long Beach line was shifted as they had the slots, and there was a lot of Long Beach demand for Penn Station? So what replaced all the Long Beach trains to Brooklyn? Were they just dropped? I know Hempstead was also usually a Brooklyn branch line often too. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:08:35 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 21:01:29 2008. Far Rock was always a Brooklyn line. I think they had 3 trains per hour going to Flatbush on weekends (Far Rock, Hempstead, Long Beach).They shifted Long Beach to Penn back in about 1996 or 1997. At that point they moved to 2 trains per hour going to Flatbush on weekends. Other than a few trains during the overnight period, Far Rockaway has never been a change at Valley Stream line (like West Hempstead). |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:09:25 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 20:28:25 2008. I think 1-15 all survived until sometime around 1980. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:10:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Russ on Thu Jan 10 16:16:35 2008. In the 1800s when Greater New York was being thought up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:10:55 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:10:22 2008. Also later in the 1910s the issue of annexing Inwood came up again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:11:55 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:43:57 2008. No one ever intended the eastern Queens towns to ever become part of New York City. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:12:00 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:08:35 2008. I think that West Hempstead's branch is stuck with making the connection at Valley Stream because of the strange alignment of the Branch; the ridership is depressed by that fact. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:12:36 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:11:55 2008. Well, not counting the Rockaways of course! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:19:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 20:57:19 2008. Question: When the LIRR still ran the whole Rockaway line, where did the line ramp down to the surface? |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:20:34 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 20:26:06 2008. Wow. I'll have to dig into those when I have some more time.719 is the most shocking one. I can't believe they have a train idling on a track in Jamaica for 5 minutes between 7:54 and 7:59 AM. In both Hempstead branch cases, I wonder if the scheduled dwell at Jamaica isn't intended as catch-up time for the possibility of major delay crossing over the Main Line at Queens Village during the middle of the peak periods. The train after 761 skips Queens Village and Hollis and has only the typical dwell scheduled at Jamaica. In the cases of 2859 and 761, it could also have to do with access to the Flatbush tracks being blocked by eastbound trains from Penn using the "westbound express" track and not using the flyover when approaching Jamaica from the west. Lots of trains from Penn do that during the PM rush. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jan 10 21:21:16 2008, in response to How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 11:24:50 2008. Regardless of scheduling quirks, people arriving late, sleeping late, or whatnot, the police are not to be faulted. Crossing under lowered gates is dangerous and never to be condoned for any reason. If a train hits a pedestrian we all know who will win, even at a low speed. And if it's a longtime scheduling quirk those goof-offs ought to know better and deserve every penny of the fine on the tickets. They should just be thankful they are alive to pay it. I have little sympathy for them.That said, an underpass should be built pronto. I don't like to see people pay for their stupidity with their lives, and it seems that the supply of stupid people is inexhaustible. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 21:22:24 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:08:35 2008. It was really around 1996-1997? Jeez, I don't know why I remember something from that long ago, maybe I have good memory. Honestly though, I never really remembered any Flatbush Avenue-Hempstead trains, maybe it's because I wasn't really that much of a railfan back then and just used the LIRR for the beach and my friends house in Brentwood. That is interesting that the LIRR cut service though, as ridership from Flatbush Avenue-East New York seems to have been increasing over the years, and will probably skyrocket once Barclays Center opens (in which that case there will have to be 3 trains a hour).On somewhat of an unrelated note when Barclays Center opens and ridership hopefully skyrockets, the LIRR will finally realize that they treat East New York and Nostrand Avenue like crap and rehabilitate them (Nostrand Avenue isn't that bad, it's just dangerous, if you walk at the wrong place when it's icy outside, you can easily fall on the busy Atlantic Avenue below, East New York is a cave with a few artificial lights). |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:24:46 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:12:00 2008. I think that West Hempstead's branch is stuck with making the connection at Valley Stream because of the strange alignment of the Branch; the ridership is depressed by that fact.Both of the possible interpretations of your statement are likely correct. Ridership on the WH line is certainly lower than it would otherwise be (depressed) because it takes a roundabout route to NYC. I imagine that those who do ride the line are also saddened (depressed) by the fact that they often have to change at Valley Stream and then again at Jamaica to get where they are going (despite starting out at a point pretty darn close to the city). |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jan 10 21:25:07 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 10 13:18:40 2008. I've been known to miss a bus or a train because I refused to cross the street against the signal. I'll do it again too. It's not the signal's fault or the bus's fault-- it's my fault for not leaving earlier. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 21:25:38 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 20:57:19 2008. It's unfortunate that the ROW had an incredibly ugly shopping mall built over it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 21:27:42 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:12:00 2008. The LIRR should just send the shuttles to Jamaica like they do on weekdays, give them a faster, more direct ride into the city, the LIRR can even make all Babylon trains skip St. Albans and the new West Hempstead runs stop there. I'm pretty sure there's a good reason as to why they don't do that though. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jan 10 21:28:36 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 21:25:38 2008. It's unfortunate that the ROW had an incredibly ugly shopping mall built over it.IIRC, the last time I passed by there, the shopping mall appeared to be most abandoned except for possibly several small stores... |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:30:01 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 21:22:24 2008. Yep, back in the late 80's my college girlfriend was a Queen from Kings. Whenever I took the train home to LI, the train at Flatbush would be a Long Beach train (I could walk home from East Rockaway) or a Hempstead train or Far Rockaway train (I'd have to change at Jamaica for a Babylon connection and walk home from RVC).Lots of hours spent on the Brighton Line, lots more waiting for trains at Flatbush and even more hours walking to and from the train station. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:32:25 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jan 10 21:28:36 2008. Has "Chill City Ice Cream" survived the years? I remember passing that place when I commuted from Long Beach via Far Rock in 1989. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jan 10 21:32:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:20:34 2008. I've been following this thread and this part of the drift is interesting.My question is, are those w/b dwell times at Jamaica for trains bound for NYP? Could some of the lengthy dwell times be built in so as to allow for w/b Port Washington branch trains to merge onto the mainline and have a slot at Penn Sta.? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:35:00 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:30:01 2008. Lots of hours spent on the Brighton Line, lots more waiting for trains at Flatbush and even more hours walking to and from the train station.I hope it was a rewarding relationship! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:39:11 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 21:22:24 2008. East New York is a cave with a few artificial lightsHa - that's an apt description - Hopefully with the re-development at the end of the line, that will indeed spark something. I'm disappointed, though, that the renovation of Atlantic Terminal doesn't seem to have involved any attempt to create more capacity at track level. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jan 10 21:44:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 20:27:56 2008. "Mercifully, I stopped looking for the train with a 10-minute scheduled dwell. If it exists, the only reason I'll probably want to know is so that I won't be on it."At least you can sit on the train while it dwells if you're already on it. I've often stood on the platform at Jamaica for more than ten minutes waiting for a connecting train after I changed. On weekends, one often has to wait almost twenty minutes for a connection between Babylon and Brooklyn, depending upon the vagaries of a particular timetable. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:47:33 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:24:46 2008. I doubt the Hempstead loop will ever come to pass, but maybe one day West Hempstead could see hourly service to Brooklyn. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jan 10 21:52:05 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:32:25 2008. I don't know, but it may have been on of the casualties. Next time it's daylight and I drop my nephew off at his home on Seagirt, I should explore the centre... |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jan 10 21:54:56 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 20:01:35 2008. I also noticed they constantly are eliminating more and more zones. There are a lot of numbers missing, and have been for years as they eliminated zones over the years. I think even Patchogue was combined with Sayville and stuff like that probably in the most recent mergers of zones.Medford was put into Ronkonkoma's zone a few years ago. The LIRR said that it was doing so in an attempt to relieve pressure on Ronkonkoma, by encouraging people who lived in towns east of the station to use Medford instead of driving to Ronkonkoma. Of course it was a complete failure, as the LIRR failed to increase Medford's woefully inadequate service. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:58:03 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:35:00 2008. It certainly seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:59:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 10 21:32:39 2008. All four are for Flatbush.You are correct -- we have had impressive drift on this thread, but still no name calling or religious insults. I wonder how that happened? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:02:24 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 10 21:32:39 2008. Most of the longest dwell times are for Brooklyn trains. I think there's one 5-minute dwell for a train to HPA.As for PW trains merging in, I don't think that would be the reason - probably a stop at Woodside would be more effect on that front. PW trains seem to have a harder merge with AMTK trains coming southbound from the Hell Gate and with traffic coming out of Sunnyside Yard. Plus, several of the PW trains in the PM peak are coming out of West Side Yard at those times, I think. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 22:06:05 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jan 10 21:28:36 2008. What a waste, they should build a park there or something, just anything but that rusty mall! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:06:44 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jan 10 21:44:50 2008. The trouble with that connection to Brooklyn on the weekend is that it's a frequency of 2 tph. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 22:08:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:39:11 2008. I agree, the LIRR should have gotten more room at the north end of the station before the mall was built, and possibly use it for future sporting events service, it would've also been the perfect opportunity to look into heightening the tunnels to allow Oyster Bay, Port Jefferson, Montauk, and that line east of Ronkonkoma trains to go there, I'm almost sure an Oyster Bay-Flatbush Avenue peak service would get good usage. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:11:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jan 10 21:54:56 2008. Well, the part of the line out to Greenport is so beat up and not adequately served; they saw better, quicker service in the days of steam trains.Plus, people are allergic to changing trains for some reason, even if it would get them where they were going faster. People whose 'home' stations should logically be the ones on the western third of the Montauk branch are commuting to Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:22:31 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 22:08:50 2008. While I'd love the idea of more capacious tunnels, I don't see that happening even in a more forward-thinking era. They're going to be working on the Atlantic Ave Viaduct the next few years; it's reportedly in pretty bad shape. I think in order to create a higher ceiling in the tunnels, they would have to lower the floor.What I'd like to have seen on the Atlantic Line would've been better access to/from the yard, higher speed switching, extend/straighten the platforms, and leave some provision for extension westward. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jan 10 22:30:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 14:49:57 2008. I was thinking about Carle Place too, which is where I work. I'm always bothered that I have to walk all the way to the middle of the platform when approaching from the south in order to cross the overpass to the westbound platform. I wish it had an underpass right at the eastern end of the platforms. That would save me 2-3 minutes.But I guess what I should do is arrive 2-3 minutes later and then blame the LIRR for not having an underpass there, or just cross the tracks at grade even though they are fenced off and blame the police for persecuting me when I get a ticket for tresspassing or disorderly conduct, or blame the doctor for not being able to revive and reconstruct the pile of twisted bones I would become when a train hits me. Yes, it's a conspiracy. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 22:33:02 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:08:17 2008. Goodness if I could count all the lame excuses why no one had a chance to buy a ticket hoping for sympathy.The absolute most stupid one ever was one Saturday morning on train #8705, the 6:20 am to Harmon, where a usual partied out knucklehead who got so wasted he lost his ticket from his shirt pocket, and from the looks of his face, someone was REALLY pissed off at him.....later to admit he got into a fight, asked me if I could give him a break because he got his ass kicked during the night and lost his ticket. Cost...on board GCT to Harmon....$12.00, paid for by one of his friends. His response......damn that's so f***ed up man!! lol You can't make this stuff up!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:11:06 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 22:33:02 2008. Hahaha, I could just picture the scene..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:14:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:19:21 2008. It must have been right after the original Mott Ave station, which of course looked like the other side platform stations, and was on the other side of Mott Ave than where the subway station is today. Maybe Bob Andersen has a photo? I have seen photos of the original Mott Ave station, but never of the ramp. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:17:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 22:06:05 2008. It's amazing how seeminly great potential land, that should be very expensive because it's near the water has the Rockaways looking like it does. It should be just beautiful there, and perhaps even expensive. It's amazing it's still so desolate. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:19:27 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:11:22 2008. Medford and Yaphank would both see much better use if those stations had some sort of usable service. It so underseved that it's beyond me.They treat the Ronkonkoma to Riverhead part of the line like it's still the 1950's and like the building boom in Medford in the 70's never happened. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:24:43 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:06:44 2008. Yeah, that's the problem. Yet I don't think there's much that they can change. Weekends, those 2 tph are not really all that jammed back. I don't think they really need to run more than that, as there is hardly a need for more at that time, as even the ones they run aren't near packed. the unfortunate by product of that is of course more wait time at Jamaica. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:26:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:59:20 2008. This thread has been extremely interesting and fun.... Healthy disagreement is fine! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:27:40 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by MJF on Thu Jan 10 21:32:39 2008. Perhaps it's to allow for almost unavoidable delays on the connections? Or as mentioned, time to allow for interlockings at either side to be clear? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:28:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jan 10 22:30:58 2008. I have to completely agree with your post. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:31:18 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 21:47:33 2008. The West Hempstead line is like the LIRR's version of the "G Train". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:36:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 21:22:24 2008. I often have used the East New York Station, transferring from the L at Atlantic, and mornings it has had a healthy group of people there (reverse peak). Usually nobody on the peak side. What's odd about that line is that it's the reverse of all the other lines, at least at Nostrand and ENY. Both those stations seem to have more reverse riders going to Jamaica for transfer than peak direction.ENY is sort of in the middle of no where. i don't know how much more ridership it would get. After all, Atlantic Ave on the L is the least used station in all of Brooklyn, so they aren't even using the subway station there, much less the LIRR station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:38:23 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 22:08:50 2008. I'm almost sure an Oyster Bay-Flatbush Avenue peak service would get good usage.I don't get this whole thing that every line must be direct to Brooklyn. Jamaica has a very easy transfer. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:40:16 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:22:31 2008. It would be wonderful if they could extend the Brooklyn line through to Lower manhattan from Flatbush. THEN Osmosis would finally get what he wants, but until that happens, if ever, not much is going to change, in fact it will get worse. Once ESA opens, Brooklyn will probably become "3rd" in line instead of 2nd. |
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Posted by Russ on Fri Jan 11 00:17:30 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:40:16 2008. It would be wonderful if they could extend the Brooklyn line through to Lower manhattan from Flatbush. THEN Osmosis would finally get what he wants, but until that happens, if ever, not much is going to change, in fact it will get worse. Once ESA opens, Brooklyn will probably become "3rd" in line instead of 2nd.I've been thinking about how commuter rail can be extended to Lower Manhattan, and how that might involve the Brooklyn Line - possibly as a loop. After ESA is built, I hope that the MTA seriously explores extending MetroNorth and the LIRR from Grand Central to Lower Manhattan. I imagine that MetroNorth would need a new two track line below the 4 Park Av tracks leading to new platforms below the current lower level, just like ESA. Then 4 tracks, 2 for each line, could be extended to Lower Manhattan. If this is done, extending the LIRR in Lower Manhattan to connect with the LIRR in Brooklyn could bring both enhanced service for riders and operational flexibility. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 00:56:23 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:24:43 2008. Rail service from Flatbush Av every 30 minutes on a weekend isn't that horrible. It is a commuter train, after all. |
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