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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:37:34 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 21:55:35 2007. 'If anyone is an station agent, they can look at a station blueprint at every booth in the system'provided one has sufficient time to do so |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 23:40:37 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:36:35 2007. Of course! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 23:42:34 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:37:34 2007. So many blueprints! So little time! |
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Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:47:18 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 23:28:11 2007. 'what path did you use?'didn't know PATH went to brooklyn |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:51:41 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:47:18 2007. was able to walk the roadbed, starting with tk 3 at the south end of Bowling Green to Utica Ave |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:54:14 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Nov 21 23:42:34 2007. specially at very busy stations |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 21 23:56:36 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 22:51:30 2007. "What's with the hostility?"Seems like his M.O these days. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 00:11:12 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:54:14 2007. So look at the blueprints for the quieter stations. |
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Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 00:12:49 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:51:41 2007. I thought so. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 22 00:37:03 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by parkchester 11:35 on Wed Nov 21 20:46:56 2007. Yes..the transit district located at Roosevelt was part of the never used Winfield Route to the Rockaways...I had to go there to fill out a P.D REPORT during the early 90's..and noticed the strange set up..I asked the "sarge" about it..and he told me the station sat in a full train station... He actually took me back there to let me get a peek at the remaining platforms...I.being the train buff that I was..asked Why was it never used....he told me he didn't know..and advised me to go to the Merrick Blvd Library's LONG ISLAND ROOM for a look see.. I did just that,and discovered the IND SECOND SYSTEM... |
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Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 22 00:40:58 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:51:41 2007. Nice spooky walk thur the East River Tunnel..a nice walk for sure. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 22 00:57:41 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 22:51:30 2007. He can't help himself.He's the lead asshole of this website,and take pride in fruitful flaming attacks between parties.. Fruitful being his pitiful attempts at"pwning"..but when all is said and done..all he's really accomplished is a rather gaining low opinion from the rest of us[whom ,mind you,would rather see him disappear into the night like the weasel he is].. Believe me..you Will hate him...or... Learn to ignor him...or whip out your bug killer and spray him.. Your choice. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Nov 22 00:58:13 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Nov 21 10:09:12 2007. The one at Second Avenue, I have seen the doors open on three occasions. From my observations, the ads are still there and there are stairs decending to a lower part. The passageway is not well lit. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Nov 22 01:09:33 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 22 00:40:58 2007. t'was a nice walk indeed! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 01:35:59 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 00:12:49 2007. it was obvious.so why did you even ask? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 01:41:45 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 22:51:30 2007. What's with you not answering the questions? I don't recall saying that these questions were already asked by you. Don't know why you brought that up. And quote the hostility please. Thanks. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 22 02:07:01 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by monorail on Wed Nov 21 23:36:35 2007. Don't forget to bring a towel! |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Nov 22 02:08:47 2007, in response to 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 19:45:06 2007. Speaking of the latter, was there a time in which you could walk from 6th Ave to 8th Ave entirely underground?Technically, yes. But the corridor from Sixth to Seventh Avenue is inside fare control, while the corridor from Seventh to Eighth Avenue is outside fare control. The corridor connecting 14-7 with 14-8 is still there in all its glory. The Seventh Avenue end is gated, but you can see through. The Eighth Avenue end is walled over, with only a door for entrance and exit. The corridor had employee offices and facilities built in there, and it's actually quite nice. Made use of them when I was working the platform at 14-7 one time. It was surreal leaving the delapidated 14-7, walking through the closed tunnel passage, opening the door, and suddenly appearing inside the clean, renovated 14-8 station, and hearing the (L) trains just below. Like stepping through a time vortex or something. Or a spacial anamoly. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Nov 22 02:16:34 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 01:35:59 2007. I could have walked along tk 2 from Bowling green |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 02:18:20 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Nov 22 02:08:47 2007. Luckily he didn't make any restrictions about fare control. And as far as the underground walks are concerned, his only criteria was that they be within the city. So anything goes. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Nov 22 02:22:04 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Nov 22 02:08:47 2007. 14/8 was an interesting place ... NYCTA used to have offices in a building up above on the street. Don't remember too much about it other than it was on the corner, had a portico (drive in space under the building out front underneath it) and offices upstairs. TA medical was up there as well as school car classrooms. Off by the ramps was additional schoolcar space which eventually became "signal school" and a raft of other things down there. Remember it fairly well. 270 Jay was the HQ then and us "candidates" only went there for paperwork at the time. 14th Street was everything.So they closed off the 42nd underpasses? :( |
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Posted by R32 B Train on Thu Nov 22 03:36:37 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 21 11:44:14 2007. Many stations on the Queens Boulevard line still have their full mezzanines. |
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Posted by R32 B Train on Thu Nov 22 03:42:29 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. I remember the old 145 Street mezzanine when I was really young. I used to live near the north end of the 145 Street station and sometimes I would be at the back of the train when going northbound, and I would get off at the 145 Street side of the station and walk through the mezzanine. I remember it was dim and sloped. I also remember the 146 Street exit too.Too bad the 125 Street mezzanine got renovated. There were more pictures from the 1930s than there are now in that station. |
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Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 22 05:54:11 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. The Union Turnpike station on the F is probably the only subway station in the entire system that was intentionally built with a segmented mezzanine to accomodate a highway.The portion of the Jackie Robinson Parkway that runs through a short tunnel underneath Queens Boulevard at Union Turnpike was opened in or about 1934, before Union Turnpike was built. Since the mezzanine runs at the same level as the highway but perpendicular to it, the mezzanine design had to be split into northern and southern portions to accomodate the highway. It was in fact built that way. The City took advantage of this situation by widening the service roads of the Parkway (then called the Interborough, of course) in the area where it passes under Queens Boulevard and crosses through the mezzanine area. Rather than simply wall off the ends of the mezzanine that abutted the highway's service roads (which themselves are technically part of Union Turnpike), the planners built a rather ornate set of triple doors at each end, leading out to a set of small platforms, which themselves were handsomely adorned with ornate stones. The service roads were widened at the points where they abutted these platforms to allow cars (and taxis) on the service roads in both directions to pull over and discharge passengers, who then had immediate access to both segments of the mezzanine. This was a very handy arrangement, as passengers were able to enter the mezzanine quickly and cars did not have to get onto Queens Boulevard to discharge their passengers. These platforms were in use well into the 1990's. As Union Turnpike was my home station until 1995, I used these platforms many, many times when friends or taxis dropped me off there. Unfortunately, like many IND mezzanines were originally, they were poorly lit and eventually became havens for the homeless and criminal elements. Today, these platforms and the widened areas of the service roads are gated off, so cars can no longer pull over. The ornate doors are locked tight and the ornate stones have been left to rot. Too bad. It was a neat arrangement. |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there? |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Nov 22 07:09:25 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Nov 22 02:08:47 2007. At one time the 6th-7th Ave. passageway was outside fare control. There was a free transfer from the F to the L at 6th Ave. but if you wanted to use the passageway to connect to the 1/2/3 you had to leave the system and pay another fare. |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Nov 22 07:47:50 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by monorail on Thu Nov 22 02:16:34 2007. Do you think that tk 2 would have provided a walk that was as scenic? |
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Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what next? |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Nov 22 07:59:08 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by El-Train on Wed Nov 21 23:12:48 2007. I think that they should turn that passageway into an underground mini-mall. That would allow most of its original utility to be restored, new utility to be provided to passengers, revenue to be generated, and the security concern about desolation eliminated while the stores are open. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Nov 22 09:32:45 2007, in response to Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 22 05:54:11 2007. That's a shame.Thank you for that great description! One way to utilize a facility like that is to route buses there. For example, MTA could renovate the areas with better lighting, make them ADA compliant, then route the Q46 (the Union Turnpike local bus) to drop passengers off and pick them up there. Could those entrances be upgraded to be out of the weather? Then, even on a rainy, snowy, sleety or otherwise cold, crappy day, passengers could stay dry transferring between bus and subway. MTA could also designate Union Turnpikes on maps and on the website as a "Kiss N Ride" station (meaning the same thing as WMATA does at Metrorail stations. The cabs and car services could swing in there and drop people off. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 22 10:36:39 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by RonInBayside on Thu Nov 22 09:32:45 2007. Could those entrances be upgraded to be out of the weather? Then, even on a rainy, snowy, sleety or otherwise cold, crappy day, passengers could stay dry transferring between bus and subway.The fenced off space where kiss and ride was formerly possible was always extremely cramped. IIRC it has space for 2-3 cars. In my opinion, the fencing off had nothing to do with crime but was related to the trsffic hazard caused on Union Turnpike by people stopping their cars in the traffic lanes while trying to get into the tiny stopping area. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 22 11:35:10 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by AlM on Thu Nov 22 10:36:39 2007. The fenced off space where kiss and ride was formerly possible was always extremely cramped. IIRC it has space for 2-3 cars.The length of the underpass is slightly longer than the width of Queens Blvd - 180 feet. The cut could accommodate 6+ cars without any problems. people stopping their cars in the traffic lanes while trying to get into the tiny stopping area. The stopping area was rarely filled. There was always enough room to gracefully pull in without having to wait for a space to open up. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Nov 22 11:42:16 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 21 13:40:35 2007. You're back!!!Another refugee from Subtalk!!!! |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Nov 22 11:49:14 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Russ on Thu Nov 22 07:47:50 2007. yes, but one would have to be aware of a breeze from BEHIND |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Nov 22 11:49:16 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 21 23:56:36 2007. These days? It's SOP for Brian. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 22 12:45:37 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by RonInBayside on Thu Nov 22 09:32:45 2007. In sum what we have is a long catalog of architectural convenience and foresight degraded, neglected and sabotaged by a system chronicly short of both funds and vision driven by societal rot. Sad Sic transit gloria mundi. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 12:54:24 2007, in response to Re:: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 01:35:59 2007. I just wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth.Just in case Monorail knew something I didn't. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 13:02:27 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 22 00:57:41 2007. Good luck ignoring him.Sometimes he'll inject himself into a quiet conversation and make it sound like it's your fault the thread gets reefed later on. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 13:03:51 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by 33rd Street on Thu Nov 22 00:58:13 2007. A reason why we should always carry a camera.You never know when something like this will be in plain sight. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 13:28:40 2007, in response to Re: 42nd-34th/6th closed mezzanine.....what crime(s) occured there?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Nov 22 11:49:16 2007. Reminds me of a line from a Paul Simon song. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 13:41:07 2007, in response to Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 22 05:54:11 2007. Yup. I have used that drop off point.ROAR |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Nov 22 14:40:57 2007, in response to Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 22 05:54:11 2007. Ah. Going under the overpass, the station entrance you're describing would be where those frosted glass windows are on both sides of the parkway? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 22 15:06:42 2007, in response to Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 21 06:36:49 2007. There are some other examples of closed off passageways that I can think of, although they are not on the IND lines:1) At the 149th Street-Third Avenue station on the downtown side there was a set of stairways that lead to a lower passageway to the uptown side, and to the entrance to the Third Avenue Elevated trains. From the uptown side there was an opening to a passageway that lead to the Third Avenue El, and the passageway from the downtown train. Thus at this station one was able to transfer between the uptown and downtown bound trains. After the removal of the Third Avenue El in the Bronx, a part of this passageway was closed. When the station was renovated, all remaining evidence of these passageways was removed. 2) At the Canal Street station where the R and W trains stop, I am positive that there used to be two sets of stairways near the entrance to the passageway that is used to transfer to N, Q, J, M, and Z trains. In addition the passageway to reach the downtown R and W train platform seems to be half of the width that my memory tells me. Yes, realize that the Canal Street station for the J,M and Z-trains was "cut in half" with some of those passageways closed off, as well as the Bowery Street station. 3) There were a few passageways between the uptown and downtown platforms that were closed, for example, at Astor Place (#6) and a couple of other local stations. At Astor Place, I believe some of the newer tile work shows where the stairways were located. 4) I believe that the Hoyt-Schermerhorn Station on the A,C and G-trains was one station that has some major mezzanine issues. Mike |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 16:17:57 2007, in response to Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Nov 22 05:54:11 2007. It slowed traffic down WAY too much to have those areas open on the parkway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 16:19:11 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by G1Ravage on Thu Nov 22 14:40:57 2007. Yes, they recently installed glass brick walls there. For a long while, it was "jail" like bars there. Mitch says they were still open until the mid 90's, but I seem to recall them closed off longer, like the late 80s |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 16:21:05 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by AlM on Thu Nov 22 10:36:39 2007. Yes, I believe it was closed not because of crime, but just because it's a dangerous spot to have cars stopping like that. it's also very narrow there. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 22 16:49:32 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 16:17:57 2007. It slowed traffic down WAY too much to have those areas open on the parkway.The subway entrances were not on the parkway. They were on Union Tpk, which was the service road for the parkway. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 18:18:29 2007, in response to Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines, posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 22 15:06:42 2007. When I first became a clerk, the people in my training class were assigned vacation relief. We had to fill out bid sheets for our first assignment. We all did. One girl in my class "forgot" to pick up her bid sheet and was "assigned" the PM tour at the transfer booth at 149th Street-Third Avenue. Everybody else got plum assignments/ We all kidded her about it for years.At the Canal Street station where the downtown R and W trains stop there were two sets of stairways that were used to transfer to N, Q, J, M, and Z trains. At the Canal Street station for the J,M and Z trains I'm sure there was an street exit on the north side of the Street. IIRC that exit was removed about 1979-80. Alot of the underpasses in the subway were covered over. e.g. Astor, 23/B'way, I heard at the time people were being mugged and/or raped on the overnight. Hoyt-Schermerhorn had alot of open space on the station. A Michael Jackson video was shot in the south end mezzazine. And many movies shot in NYC used the abondoned platforms for subway scenes. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 18:24:22 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 22 16:21:05 2007. There must have been alot of rear-end crashes there over there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 19:52:36 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 18:24:22 2007. Why must there have been? As long as there is a great potential, then the closing could be justified. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 20:00:19 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 19:52:36 2007. Am I reading you wrong or are you agreeing with me? |
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Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 20:15:13 2007, in response to Re: Union Turnpike is Unique (Re: Segmented or closed IND mezzanines ), posted by daDouce Man on Thu Nov 22 20:00:19 2007. You're reading it wrong. |
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