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(7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007 NY1 is announcing this "exclusive" info every so often. It's not on their website yet. The (7) line extension stations will have AirTrain-style platform doors.

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by stephenk* on Sat Sep 8 03:34:29 2007, in response to (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007.* Lets hope that ATO is in operation on the 7 by then. The manual driving on London's Jubilee Line lining up with the platform edge doors is often quite slow as the drivers have to stop with great accuracy (+/- 30cm I think). This over-cautious driving further limits line capacity. Modern ATO systems are very accurate with stopping, as I'm sure many of you have observed with AirTrain.

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by Rail Blue* on Sat Sep 8 08:36:08 2007, in response to (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007.* And then wait for the car type to change...

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Sep 8 08:50:43 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by stephenk on Sat Sep 8 03:34:29 2007.* It is very good. However, like all such systems, they must be recalibrated periodically. I just got back from a trip and changed planes at Dallas-Fort Worth. The Sky-Link tram was very nice, but at one of its stops the doors opened in such a way that nearly one third of the width of the railcar's doors did not line up with the platform doors. After inspection and adjustment, it will line up perfectly once again.

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sat Sep 8 11:08:07 2007, in response to (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007.* Total waste of money.

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 8 11:54:28 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 11:08:07 2007. Not really, since the #7 only uses one type of rolling stock...and this is probably in the name of safety to prevent someone from being pushed onto the tracks.

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by AMoreira81* on Sat Sep 8 11:58:08 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Sep 8 08:36:08 2007.* However, a proper design would account for future designs, assuming they aren't too radically different.

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 11:58:31 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 11:08:07 2007. Not at all. It's very worthwhile, actually. Prevents suicide or ,murder by shoving people onto the tracks, and would also discourage, but not completely prevent, trespassing. In this context it's a way for the TA to avaluate its effectiveness on two stations. A worthwhile experiment. I agree that the impact, overall, will be small. But since the cost will be a tiny portion of the overall project cost, it's still worth doing. It's most effective when used completely throughout the system, and of course would be required for any ZPTO type operation.

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Posted by Michael549* on Sat Sep 8 12:09:26 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 11:58:31 2007.* From a previous message: "It's most effective when used completely throughout the system, and of course would be required for any ZPTO type operation." I am curious and wonder about how such doors could be installed and operated on the numerous elevated stations in the system. While there are many subway stations where such an idea might possibly work, there are plenty of elevated and surface stations that present major design challenges. Many of those elevated and surface stations present only a not-wide plaform and a railing. Just a thought about an interesting problem. Mike

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Sep 8 12:22:06 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 8 12:09:26 2007.* Agreed. Good points by you.

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by BMTLines* on Sat Sep 8 12:38:09 2007, in response to (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007.* How will we know that a train is coming?

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by AMoreira81* on Sat Sep 8 12:47:10 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 8 12:09:26 2007.* The stations would likely need a complete rebuild and enclosure to be able to do so. But it isn't impossible. Now a station like 14 St/Union Square, that might present some challenges...but none too difficult.

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Posted by AMoreira81* on Sat Sep 8 12:47:53 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by BMTLines on Sat Sep 8 12:38:09 2007.* Well, an automated announcement could state where the next train arrives.

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Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Sat Sep 8 12:55:41 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 8 11:54:28 2007.* The R62As are probably going to be close to retirement after the extension is built. P.S. Will crews on the (7) still have to do one round trip from Flushing after this extension?

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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Sat Sep 8 13:20:58 2007, in response to (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007. Platform doors were in the original design for BART but were dropped because of the cost. But decades later they are benefiting from one necessity that was designed in for platform doors: accurate and repeatable automatic platform berthing.

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Posted by MJF* on Sat Sep 8 14:03:01 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 8 12:47:53 2007.* That's not as accurate as stickling your head over the platform edge and looking down the tracks. That's what makes the train arrive faster. It's a New York tradition.

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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40* on Sat Sep 8 14:13:20 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by BMTLines on Sat Sep 8 12:38:09 2007.* There's only going to be one station - 34th Street-Javits, which will be a terminal. The 10th Avenue station is only going to be a shell from what I've heard. wayne

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Posted by Rail Blue* on Sat Sep 8 14:38:56 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Sep 8 14:13:20 2007.* There's only going to be one station - 34th Street-Javits, which will be a terminal. The 10th Avenue station is only going to be a shell from what I've heard. Then why not spend the money on opening 10th Av station rather than gold-plating 34th St station?

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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Sep 8 15:06:33 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 8 12:09:26 2007.* No. There would not be such doors retro-built onto elevated platforms. There is no reason for it. If such barriers are needed they would be about waist high only. (See that Japanese You-Tube that was on here a few days ago) The only reason for full floor to ceiling barriers is for the air conditioning. ROAR

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Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 15:20:30 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 8 11:08:07 2007.* IAWTP

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 15:22:15 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 11:58:31 2007.* You'd like ZPTO, wouldn't you. Convert the subway to horizontal elevators and put hard-working people out of work. Get your head out of the 60s-type fantasy world.

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 15:23:32 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Sep 8 14:13:20 2007.* The extension is a waste of money if there isn't a PABT stop.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:24:15 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Sat Sep 8 13:20:58 2007. Who is benefiting? Who are "they" . . . ?

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 15:25:07 2007, in response to (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007.* Utter waste of public money. Wait until they all break down and nobody can get into or out of the train.

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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 15:35:47 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:23:32 2007. 8th Avenue lines already stop there.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:47:20 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 15:35:47 2007. The 8^th Avenue Subway doesn't run crosstown, so that's no help.

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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 15:51:06 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:47:20 2007. If they did build a new 7 station directly at the PABT, it would only be one block away from the existing Times Square station. That's not very economical. Although, a station at 9th Avenue wouldn't be such a bad idea... and we could combine that with a new passageway connecting it to 42nd/8th.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:55:02 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 15:51:06 2007. Yes, that would work. However, I was considering a better connection to the 8^th Avenue Subway than the sweaty passageway from Times Square. Better make it between 8^th and 9^th. A 10^th Avenue station would be useless for PABT.

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 15:55:57 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 8 15:06:33 2007.* The only reason for full floor to ceiling barriers is for the air conditioning Even that's too expensive.

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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Sep 8 15:55:58 2007, in response to (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 03:20:30 2007. I was hoping they would install some in the new SF Terminal. When you have crap like this taking place... Platform Screen Doors are a valuable amenity to have...

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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 15:57:00 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Sep 8 15:55:58 2007. Sure, but what happens when the doors either break or are vandalized? Knowing the way that the MTA maintains things, both of these are imminent.

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Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Sep 8 15:57:28 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:47:20 2007.* False statement. The E train is the 8th Ac subway's crosstown branch. The IRT extension's purpose is to serve Hell's Kitchen and Javits and handle an area that, with rezoning will see a lot of growth. That's far more important for the 7 than the PABT, which already gets lots of subway service.

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Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Sep 8 15:58:29 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:55:02 2007.* PABT doesn't need another station. Hell's Kitchen does. That's why the new station is planned for it.

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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 15:59:48 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 15:57:00 2007. How has the Jubilee Line's platform strategy worked out?

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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 16:01:08 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 8 15:06:33 2007. If such barriers are needed they would be about waist high only. Interesting tidbit: the Tianjin Metro in China features such barriers in their underground stations. The only reason for full floor to ceiling barriers is for the air conditioning. Air conditioning can exist without platform doors; visit Grand Central (4/5/6).

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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 16:02:03 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 15:59:48 2007. I don't know as I haven't been there, but just because something works there doesn't mean that it will necessarily work here.

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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 16:14:07 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 16:02:03 2007. London's subway is as old as New York's and gets a comparable pounding from the "geese." If it works out there, it's got a good chance in New York too.

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Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Sep 8 16:15:18 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 15:25:07 2007.* You mean like what hsppens to AirTrain every day?

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Posted by G1Ravage* on Sat Sep 8 16:22:46 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 8 12:55:41 2007.* We have no idea yet. I'd say probably. There are longer lines in the B Division where you get to the southern terminal, only drop back one train, and go right back out. I doubt they're going to create crew facilities at the new terminal with the intention of having crews rest there. Although it would be nice. If they drastically alter the schedule, they could create more jobs that start and end in Manhattan. That would please those employees who don't live in Queens.

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Posted by Rail Blue* on Sat Sep 8 16:24:40 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 15:59:48 2007.* How has the Jubilee Line's platform strategy worked out? It's annoying. It makes holding the doors harder.

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Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Sep 8 16:26:03 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Sep 8 16:24:40 2007.* "It makes holding the doors harder. " Yay! That's worth it all by itself!

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Posted by G1Ravage* on Sat Sep 8 16:26:31 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 8 15:06:33 2007.* The only reason for full floor to ceiling barriers is for the air conditioning. At outdoor stations, it would also shield the platform from the elements. Not necessary temperature-wise, but it would help keep the rain away in the warm months, and the snow off the platform in the cold months.

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Posted by Rail Blue* on Sat Sep 8 16:57:08 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 16:26:03 2007.* "It makes holding the doors harder. " Yay! That's worth it all by itself! Until some blasted computer program decides to try and shut them before everyone is off.

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 17:20:43 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 15:58:29 2007.* PABT doesn't need another station It's not "another station". It's a crosstown station. Since PABT's a bus terminal, they get to have but one subway station?

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Posted by RonInBayside* on Sat Sep 8 17:26:32 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 17:20:43 2007.* It already has two crosstown stations. The 8th Av station is served by the E train, which runs crosstown (except in your parallel universe). It is also served by Times Square. Granted, the walk is a long block; however, the answer is to enlarge the passageway and equip it with a moving sidewalk, not build an entirely unneeded station in place of one at 10th Av which is far more important.

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 17:28:13 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 15:57:28 2007.* False statement Yeah, you make a lot of those. The E train is the 8th Ac subway's crosstown branch Deceptive statement. The PABT is on 42^nd Street. The E turns crosstown at Fitty-turd Street. It is not a 42^nd Street crosstown train, which the PABT has needed since it was built. The IRT extension's purpose is to serve Hell's Kitchen and Javits and handle an area that, with rezoning will see a lot of growth. That's far more important for the 7 than the PABT, which already gets lots of subway service Brilyunt set of nonsequiturs. The planned 10^th Avenue Station is not to be opened, besides. I suppose that you would be calling for one of the stations on the L train to be closed then, since the Union Square and 6^th Avenue stations are as close together as (nay, closer than) a PABT station for the 7 train would be to Times Square?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 17:29:07 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 17:26:32 2007.

It already has two crosstown stations

False statement.

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 17:31:08 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 8 16:15:18 2007.* Apples and oranges comparison. $7 per ride for those traveling from outside the airport; a dedicated repair team that can be dispatched on the spot? Not to mention, the subway sees far more use than the Airtrain.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 8 17:32:07 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Sep 8 16:01:08 2007. Don't compare us to Red China. They're the enemy. (And they call us their enemy.)

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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Sep 8 17:32:44 2007, in response to Re: (7) line extension stations will feature platform-to-ceiling doors, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 8 16:26:31 2007.* At what cost to the taxpayer?

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