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Trans Atlantic Tunnel Re:Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 2 14:46:39 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 29 22:24:16 2007. Click here to view an interesting (Italian language) Discovery "Extreme Engineering" segment on a trans-atlantic tunnel. New York to London. Groovy stuff...cool graphics...and yeah, I do remember the Harry Harrison novel too.Extreme Engineering - Trans-Atlantic Tunnel |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Apr 2 17:16:32 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by BMTLines on Mon Apr 2 13:22:52 2007. And it is carved out of solid rock.Con ed likes to keep the existince of this tunnel on the down low. |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 4 05:00:03 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by BMTLines on Mon Apr 2 13:22:52 2007. Cool. That I didn't know. Is this tunnel still in use? |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 13:42:33 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 30 12:11:11 2007. "You didn't get what you wanted"I got you pissed off. That's all I really wanted. |
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Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 13:58:04 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 30 23:39:57 2007. That's why I'm trying to get Brain pissed off,To have him take a braek from here. |
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Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 13:59:37 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by monorail on Sun Apr 1 02:40:41 2007. People see Brian getting pissed off. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:08:12 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Mar 30 14:45:28 2007. Brian's too busy answering me to notice. |
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Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:10:22 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 30 18:28:56 2007. Listen to people who don't know what Silver Fox knows? |
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Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:15:56 2007, in response to Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 1 04:31:30 2007. I wonder if Brian is being amused, annoyed or pissed off on this thread. It is sometimes had to tell inhere. |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:17:04 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 1 13:48:32 2007. Thank you for getting you pissed off? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:29:08 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by SilverFox on Sat Mar 31 04:50:57 2007. In the late 1920's there was a push to build up Montauk by Carl Graham Fisher. I didn't see any mention of an East End Subway in "A Pictorial History of Montauk: Second Edition" But a fast transit system ould have been essential to attract people to move out there. |
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Re::: -Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:31:08 2007, in response to Re::: -Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 1 12:56:56 2007. How well do you know the history of Montauk? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:31:49 2007, in response to Re::: -Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by BMTLines on Sun Apr 1 13:09:39 2007. Looks a little too new. |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:35:30 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Russ on Fri Mar 30 22:25:05 2007. How many people in here would consider this map to be photoshopped? |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:37:32 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 2 02:14:38 2007. Post the picture when you get a chance. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:58:37 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:35:30 2007. While it is possible, it is characteristic of the way Hagstrom printed maps when lines were under construction. The maps showing the connection from Church Av to the Culver line and later from Euclid to the Fulton St el in the early 1950s were printed in much the same way. I also believe that the person who sent me the map has the original which would indicate that it couldn't have been photoshopped. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 4 15:11:21 2007, in response to On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Mar 31 07:38:00 2007. That white gap through Aqueduct is approximately where Linden Blvd. would be if it ran straight through. Did it ever do that?Looking how the IND line curves after 75th St. seems to indicate that it would continue under Pitkin for a while, and then go under Sutter or 133rd. Ave. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 15:15:14 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 4 15:11:21 2007. No,it stays under pitkin up to aqueduct. |
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Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Apr 4 15:17:13 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 13:58:04 2007. Passover is the reason he is taking a break from here. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Apr 4 15:17:56 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 31 23:26:10 2007. I see that douce man has pwned you. |
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Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Apr 4 15:19:21 2007, in response to Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 1 09:07:17 2007. Sad that you can't see you are being jerked. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:24:28 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 4 15:11:21 2007. AFAIK, Linden Blvd was planned to cut thru the neighborhood from Conduit Avenue to Cross Bay Blvd. But never built. In ForgottenNY there is a corner in the area where street signs stating "Linden Blvd" were put up. But the street never built thru.Once upon a time Linden Blvd cut thru what is now the Aqueduct Race Track Parking Lot. Pitkin Avenue curves to the right after 75/76 Street. Pitkin Avenue partually absorbed what was called "Old South Road". |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 4 15:24:31 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 15:15:14 2007. Something like the green line, here?
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave (long post) |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:26:25 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 4 15:11:21 2007. I first became interested in NYC maps as a child (late 1950's), and my dad and I used to explore many of these areas. Ozone Park was an area of particular interest.Almost all maps from those days showed Linden Blvd continuing past N/S Conduit Av, with a much more elaborate interchange. It proceeded NE between two baseball fields (the fences are still there with the ROW between them), and then went straight east. When Dumont Av. was connected to 88th St (late 1970's or early 1980's), there was a curb cut for Linden Blvd. at the SW corner at 88th St, which has since been filled in. There are now a couple of dead-end pieces of Linden Blvd between there and Cross Bay Blvd. The portion between 88th St. and Pitkin Av. appears to have been used by the DOT in the recent past. The portion from Cross Bay Blvd. to Centreville St. exists, but is only built for one lane each direction. As far as I can tell, it has never actually extended across the NW corner of Aqueduct Racetrack. A Home Depot store now blocks the path it would follow west from Rockaway Blvd. and 113th St. Note however that there are still a few maps which show it, although most have gotten the hint. Check out Google Maps for the intersection of 88th St. and Spritz Rd, Ozone Park, NY. If you look at Sutter Av. at 107th St, you'll see someone's large backyard immediately to the SE. It appears as though Linden Blvd. would have also touched this corner. Enjoy, Bob |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:29:50 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 4 15:24:31 2007. My guess is that the subway would have run from Euclid Avenue via Pitkin Avenue to the race track, under the parking lot and continued along Linden Blvd when the route got to Rockaway Blvd. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:31:48 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:24:28 2007. Right. There is a block of Old South Rd. running from 76th to 77th Sts. After Pitkin Av, Old South Rd continued to Van Wicklin Rd, Albert Rd, North Conduit Av. to another piece of Old South Rd. between 126th and 128th Sts. It must have ended somewhere in the beach colony known as "Idyllwild", from which JFK Airport got its original name.Bob |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 15:32:27 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 4 15:24:31 2007. Thats it.hey rando the headlites issue is march of 2006.it shows the ind.tunnels at jamaica ave&williams pl.circa 1940. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave (long post) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:35:17 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave (long post), posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:26:25 2007. I don't know how long ago it was planned for Linden Blvd to cut thru Ozone Park from Conduit to Cross Bay. The houses built in the neighborhood likely go back to the 1920s. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave (long post) |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:39:08 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave (long post), posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:35:17 2007. I think the houses along the north side of Desarc Rd. and the south side of Gold Rd. (which block Linden Blvd. immediately west of Cross Bay) are probably about that old. Some of the others towards 88th St. are newer. Pitkin Av. itself, being a much older road, was widened and raised when the newer houses were built (late 70's or early 80's). Before this time, 88th St. did not exist along the east side of the ballfields, and 133rd and Dumont Aves. were both incomplete. Incidentally, when Dumont Av. was first connected, they signed it "135th Av", which is technically correct. These signs were later removed.Bob |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:40:23 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:31:48 2007. I once saw an old map of Queens showing Old South Road. After 126 and 128 Streets, the road went roughly northward toward Baisley Park.There is an unnamed street running 1 block between 118 Street and Lefferts Blvd just north of North Conduit. I think that was also part of Old South Road. |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:41:42 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:35:30 2007. I wouldn't have known. Quite a professional job!Bob |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:42:30 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:40:23 2007. Yes, it was. I think it's now signed North Conduit Av.Bob |
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Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:43:42 2007, in response to Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:41:42 2007. Some people in here would say the map was photoshopped. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 15:46:28 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:42:30 2007. The neighborhood has been built up alot over the years so it's difficult to tell what was what without the old maps to tell us. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 16:26:56 2007, in response to Re::: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Apr 4 15:17:13 2007. That means we have some time to discuss the subject calmly without getting sidetracked. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 18:32:19 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 4 15:42:30 2007. The area south of south conduit&130st.has old south road for a few blocks.when I was a kid growing up in south jamacia the Q40 buses were all signed"OLD SOUTH RD"apparently Green bus lines used to go in back of whats now the sanitation garage before idlewild was built. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 19:30:38 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 15:32:27 2007. Is it actually Headlights or the NY Division Bulletin? |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 19:40:22 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 19:30:38 2007. the bulletin |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 19:46:46 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 19:40:22 2007. OK. I've seen it. It was a Jeff Erlitz "Techtalk" article and it seems to be an update of the original 1940 plans which don't show any connection to the LIRR ROW and which were included in the later plans. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 19:55:17 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 19:46:46 2007. Has anyone talked to jeff about getting into the as built b.p.room to see if any b.s.`s still exsist of 76st? |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 20:45:16 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 19:55:17 2007. I don't know what his attitude is about the area beyond the wall, and I'm also not sure if he has enough clout in the TA to be able to access it anyhow even if he believes it exists. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 21:14:47 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 19:55:17 2007. The 1976 TA photobook shows an EA at the portal provision going to the proposed 76 Street station |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 21:29:18 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 21:14:47 2007. can you post a photo of this? what is an ea? |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 21:30:53 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 21:29:18 2007. EA = Emergency Alarm. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Apr 4 21:32:08 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 21:30:53 2007. thanks |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 21:54:09 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 21:30:53 2007. As I mentioned in a much earlier post on this topic, when I was a trainmaster in 1983, while looking through the emergency exit book in the command center, there were 2 emergency exits listed that from their location description would have been past the bulkhead S/O Euclid. When the late trainmaster George Abere and I examined the street area where the exits should have been, they were nowhere to be found nor was there any evidence of where they might have been. As I mentioned before, however, since George and I first attempted to examine the area in late 1962 and 1983, there was significant construction and street repair done in the area which might have obliterated any trace of them. |
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Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Apr 5 04:56:46 2007, in response to Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Apr 4 14:15:56 2007. Well, he's not answering which means he realized he was pwned. |
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Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 13:58:15 2007, in response to Re: On Topic subthread Re: Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 21:54:09 2007. Traces in the street narea that were visible in the mid 1940s have long since erased. |
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Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 14:14:03 2007, in response to Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Apr 5 04:56:46 2007. I think he's taking time out for Passover. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 5 14:35:05 2007, in response to Re::: ;;Tracks beyond Euclid Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 5 14:14:03 2007. ANY food eaten while reading about, writing about, or otherwise discussing this topic (or 76th St) AUTOMATICALLY qualifies as CHAMETZ!(LOL) Bob |
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