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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 19:34:26 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:07:39 2007. So much for "Robert Moses not wanting buses on 'his' parkways".....And look at this......these buses connected to the RAILROAD station at Freeport to bring people FROM THE RAILROAD to Jones Beach Park.....the hearsayer's supposed "park only built for the rich"...quote-unquote. That's a great photo! Look at PORT tower in the background. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:43:35 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 19:34:26 2007. An interesting thing about that photo was the Bee Line Bus was a 1951 Mack. I used to use the Bee Line in the 60's as a teen to go from Hempstead to Jamaica (what is now LI Bus N4) and I never recall any Macks, just old style GM's and fishbowls. The only Mack's on LI that I remember was the Hempstead Bus Company's Macks which went to my home town of East Meadow on what later became the N47, 48, & 49. Here's a picture of a Hempstead Bus Company Mack also at Freeport, also scanned from the Bus Calendar. (The only other Macks that I remember in the metropolitan area was the Av B & East Bway Bus Company in lower Manhattan.)
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 19:45:13 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:43:35 2007. WOW, it's hard to believe that's Freeport. Thanks again! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:46:02 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:43:35 2007. Oops, correction, but the Transit Authority also had Macks in Bklyn and Staten Island. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:50:48 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 19:45:13 2007. Just a little side note. As that caption read, the bus is on the Mineola-Hempstead-Freeport route. That route is still around, its LI Bus N40. Well enough bus talk, otherwise they'll make me go to Bus Chat. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 19:57:57 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:43:35 2007. Get thee to BusChat. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 11 20:14:34 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 18:57:26 2007. Hold on a minute...Moses set himself up as the LONE VOICE for NYC Projects... He BULLIED his way around NYS to get the projects he wanted.. SET HIMSELF UP so HE and HE ALONE was the SOLE representive for NYS in WASHINGTON DC for FUNDING. He INSULATED himself so well that he had NO OPPOSITION untill the 60'! Yup//thats what you do when you steal from the public that puts its trust in you. Need proof?..look no further than the World Fair of 1964/65. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 11 20:16:26 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 18:45:33 2007. We're not say all of his projects were not needed..It not what you do..it's HOW YOU DO IT. He accomplished his goals with little regard of what or WHOM he was destroying. |
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Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Feb 11 21:12:41 2007, in response to I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Sun Feb 11 13:09:11 2007. I cant buy a car because I am only 14 years old.Start saving now. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Feb 11 21:15:17 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 11 15:11:34 2007. LOL |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 11 21:15:17 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Sun Feb 11 13:41:59 2007. Well, he certainly was different from the city planners in Chicago. Chi Town's city planners placed rapid transit lines down the medians of superhighways so that commuters would have a real choice as to whether to take mass transit or drive since transit routes and expressways served exactly the same areas. Transit lines down the medians of the Cross Bronx and Long Island Expressways would serve the same neighborhoods as the highways do and ease congestion for those who absolutely must use private automobiloes as opposed to those who can use mass transit but are just too lazy to walk a couple of blocks to a train station. Such transit lines would also serve neighborhoods which require the use of a bus line to get to a subway route thus making mass transit more attractive. |
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Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Feb 11 21:16:38 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Feb 11 14:03:07 2007. If you think that's bad, wait till you meet that 7 year old kid on my block...I would love to see one of you have a cursing-out contest with him |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Feb 11 21:39:00 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by FarRock on Sun Feb 11 16:27:20 2007. Aside from the stuff you need to pass the class, I wouldn't listen to a damn thing any history teacher says. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 22:00:30 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 18:42:31 2007. So it would have cost a little more to build new pillars along Second Avenue. But is that worth destroying a neighborhood for? There was much less going on at Second Avenue than on Third Avenue and the request was made before the Parkway was built, not when it was turned into an Expressway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 22:07:53 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 19:10:00 2007. Correct.Caro specifically stated that the right lane on the parkway did not have clearance for buses. He wanted bus companies to be scared about using the Parkway because they would have to hope that no driver forgets and uses the right lane by mistake and wrecks the bus. Caro said that building the overpasses only a foot or two higher would have solved the problem but Moses insisted I believe it was 8' for the right lane and 10' for the left. It wasn't a question of expense or massive redesign to allow buses. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Feb 11 22:23:15 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 18:42:31 2007. The Brooklyn 3rd Ave el should have been torn down earlier. They had the 4th Ave subway a block east. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 22:23:47 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 19:34:26 2007. Me: "Didn't the bus service that exists today today begin long after when the parkways were built?" You: Yes, that was excactly my point You: So much for "Robert Moses not wanting buses on 'his' parkways".....And look at this......these buses connected to the RAILROAD station at Freeport to bring people FROM THE RAILROAD to Jones Beach Park.. So if the buses from the Railroad did not start when the Parkways were first built but years later, why do you disagree that Moses did not want buses on the Parkways to the beach? Buses might have been not so popular in the 20s and many of them were smaller, more like 20 passenger jitneys, but they were still called buses and Moses didn't like them because the lower economic class used them. It wasn't only Blacks he disliked. If you were white and had little money, you were also on his shit list. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:12:21 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 22:23:47 2007. Those photos are from the 50's, not the 30's when many of the parkways began being built. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:16:07 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 22:00:30 2007. They took the cheaper option, and used the PRE-EXISTING elevated structure, already on 3rd Ave, the 3rd Ave el for the new road Parkway.The neighborhood wasn't destroyed with the Gowanas Parkway, on the 3rd Ave el structure, an elevated that was pre-existing.... It wasn't until the Bridge was built that an expressway was needed, and by that point, the Gowanas Parkway was the logical ROW to use for the Gowannas Expressway, that's when one side of 3rd Ave was knocked down, IINM. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:17:58 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Feb 11 22:23:15 2007. The 3rd Ave el was made obsolete by the building of the 4th Ave subway. That's why the BMT didn't need the 3rd Ave el anymore, and it was then converted into the Gowanas Parkway over third Ave using the pre-existing el, that was already over third Ave. |
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Re: Link to Transcript of Moses Program |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 23:26:47 2007, in response to Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 23:12:42 2007. Here is the link to the transcript of the program "http://www.wnbc.com/newsforum/10975235/detail.html"Sorry, but for some reason the link didn't want to work in html format, so you'll have to cut and paste it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 23:28:44 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:16:07 2007. "The neighborhood wasn't destroyed with the Gowanas Parkway"Not according to Caro. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:32:21 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 23:28:44 2007. Yeah, nothing Moses did was good "according to Caro". It's a one sided book, written with a vendetta. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 23:32:25 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:12:21 2007. I know that they are from the 50s. But you're using them as proof that Moses had nothing against buses coming to the beaches on his parkways. By the 1950s, he may have altered his position somewhat. The point was that he was against them in the 30s. |
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Re: Link to Transcript of Moses Program |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:41:01 2007, in response to Re: Link to Transcript of Moses Program, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 23:26:47 2007. Wow, thanks for posting that. I don't have time to read or watch that now, but certainly will in the morning! They also have the video linked it looks like. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:43:05 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 23:32:25 2007. Yeah, in the 30's, when buses weren't really taking off yet anyway. Most of the trolley lines were still running in the 30's yet. By the 1950's, buses had a huge foothold. Again, you are taking technology and attiitudes of a later time, and trying to apply them to an early era. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 11 23:44:42 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:16:07 2007. Yes it was,Chris..He DESTROYED the WHOLE EASTSIDE of 3rd avenue A WHOLE HALF BLOCK DEEP to build his highway..taking HUNDEREDS of homes.. Not to mention what he did to build the Narrows Bridge,its approach roads and ramps... The 3rd avenue El wasn't needed ever since the 4th avenue subway was completed...but what made it worse was when the IND made the attempt to build the FT HAMILTON AVENUE Line.. "We're going to build a new subway in south Brooklyn..to Bay Ridge and Staten Island.." We need some extra capital to do this..along with some other routes.. Can you help us out by meeting the shortfall? HAH! Your kidding,right? We need to put a bridge up over the Narrows..and my funds are allocated ONLY for this..if I can get the PORT AUTHORITY to help out.. Okay LETs SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.. You design your bridge with rail..and we'll see what we can do to help move the project along. OKAY..we'll see. Of course we know what happened with that..Moses got his Bridge..but the NYCTA got BUTTKISS. The P.A DID "help" build the Narrows Bridge..helped so much..that they built THE WHOLE THING..at cost..while THE MTA PAID the money back![yes..THE MTA PAID..meaning WE PAID]. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:58:17 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 11 23:44:42 2007. He DESTROYED the WHOLE EASTSIDE of 3rd avenue A WHOLE HALF BLOCK DEEP to build his highway..taking HUNDEREDS of homes..Correct, but the controversy being discussed was the potential use of 2nd Ave instead for the Gowanas PARKWAY. You are talking about the Expressway some decades later, after the ROW was already there for the Gowanas on 3rd. Not to mention what he did to build the Narrows Bridge,its approach roads and ramps... But the approaches and ramps have to go somewhere for the much needed Narrows bridge. As for the narrows bridge. Wouldn't a tunnel have made more sense? Do you realize the grades that would be ncessary to take a train out of the subway and bring it up to the height of the VN Bridge? I'm not an engineer, but that would have to be some huge undertaking. The subway would have to come out in the middle of Brooklyn somewhere to allow the slope needed for a grade like that I would assume. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 12 00:22:04 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:58:17 2007. I know a sbway car max grade is at least 3.5 % per feet while LRT's can go much steeper. |
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Posted by 5119 on Mon Feb 12 01:33:21 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:33:42 2007. The south Bronx maybe, but not the Grand Concourse/University Heights Area. That didn't start declining unitl after 1970. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 12 06:50:14 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 12 00:22:04 2007. subway = 4%LRT = 7% |
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Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Feb 12 10:45:40 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 11 21:15:17 2007. In Chicago, 2 line were placed down expressway medians in the 1960s, and one in the late 1970s. Robert Moses did his stuff 20-30 years earlier. Also, the Congress Line replaced a falling apart line, the Dan Ryan and O'Hare lines were much later, and one was for one of the largest airports in the world.The purpose of the Cross Bronx is to get people from New Jersey to Eastern Westchester and Connecticut. Why would a subway help there? Why would one want to build a highway that didn't connect the GW Bridge to the N.England Thruway? The LIE possibly could use a subway but how many people live near the LIE? Where would you put those 50,000 car garages? Would you want people taking city streets to the Queens-Midtown Tunnel? Why would you build a highway that didn't connect to the Q-M Tunnel? What if a person wants to go from Suffolk County to somewhere other than midtown Manhattan or Horace Harding Blvd? Subways connect crowded neighborhoods to crowded neighborhood. Highways connect everywhere to everywhere. A clear NYC example is the West Shore Expressway. I doubt that many people want to get off at the Garbage Dump. Its purpose is to connect the Outerbridge Crossing to the Verrazano Bridge. New York (like Philadelphia) has had a a few commonsense ROWs, like the the shorelines and the east-west corridors connecting the bridges and tunnels. In Philadelphia, the Delaware and Schuylkill Expressways were natural locations. The Vine St. was logical because of the BF Bridge. While designing them is difficult, picking the locations sometimes is not so hard. Some get built, like the Vine St., some don't get built, like the Canal St. Expressway in NYC or I-78 near Bway or Bushwick Avenue to the Jackie Robinson Parkway. Two final examples are 1)the Prospect Expressway, built int the 1950s. While many homes disappeared on 17th St. and Prospect Avenue, it connected Ocean Parkway to the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, and eased the traffic on many one-way streets and in Prospect Park. 2) I bet you can look at a map and see where the Clearview Expressway in Queens is missing a one-mile section that would safely and happily connect it with the Belt Parkway, but instead ends early and fills a few one-way streets with tons of traffic. The choice is often between building and not building, but where they go is often dictated by geography and current infrastructure. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Feb 12 10:47:05 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 21:38:49 2007. You're right, it was an assertion. However, it doesn't seem like one (albiet mightily disruptive) construction project could be the cause of literally millions of people having a change of heart regarding their choice of living conditions.The idea of a "suburb" is about as old as the idea of an "urb". When the means change the appearance will change but the concept remains. |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Mon Feb 12 12:09:01 2007, in response to A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 9 14:16:58 2007. 1. If and when the 2nd Ave Subway is complete in the Manhattan portion, extend one portion across 125st, with stops at (besides Lex), Lenox, St.Nicholas, and B'way. The second should go under the east river (Parallel the 6 train), then curve north up 3rd Ave (Bx), going to Fordham Plaza, then continuing up Webster to Nereid/238st. I know Metro North runs like this (almost), but does not have adequate stops along its line. The stops for the Bronx would be, 3rd/138st, 3rd/149st, 3rd/163st, 3rd/169st, 3rd/Claremont P'way, 3rd/174st, 3rd/Tremont Ave., 3rd/180st, St.Barnabas, Fordham Plaza, then Webster/Bedford Park, Webster/204st, Webster/Gun Hill Rd, Webster/233st, Webster/Nereid Ave. (aka 238st). It would ease out the rush hour crowding, on the Bx55, Bx41, Bx15, and possibly the Bx16.2. The 1 train should be branched off at 207st, and run across Fordhan Rd/Pelham P'way. The Bx12 forget it. The traffic, the disaster that line has become. Some trains would go to Van Cortlandt, while some would go to CO-OP City. Stops would be University Ave/Jerome (actual stop under Grand Ave), Grand Concourse, Fordham Plaza, Southern Blvd, White Plains Rd., Williamsbridge Rd., Eastchester Rd, Bay Plaza (Bartow Ave), CO-OP City Blvd, and last 233st. The 6 train should be extended to these last few stops in CO-OP City also. 3. As someone proposed before, build a subway/EL along the Cross-Bronx. It should be a connector to the main lines in the Bronx, Manhattan, and Queens. The Subway/EL, would start at 181st, run along the expressway, then split crossing the Bay/River (Whitestone Bridge, Throgs Neck Bridge, or tunnel (if a tunnel is built instead)), going to JFK Airport (Whitestone side), and Hillside (Throgs neck Side). 4. A Subway line under the LIE. The CBX subway (3rd one I posted) would definately connect to this line. This line would run as far West as Jacob Javits, and East as the Long Island Border. Expensive as it is to build subways, they are more efficient and carry ALOT more than stinky buses can carry. Short term, it would cost alot. Long term the MTA saves, because less buses are needed, which means less drivers (who have to have health-care, pensions, dental, vision), are needed. As for the other Boroughs, those mor familiar with those can elaborate, on what is needed there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 13:10:35 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by ntrainride on Mon Feb 12 10:47:05 2007. The idea of the "suburbs" was not a New York phenomena in the 1940's and 1950's, it was a national phenomena. Robert Moses did not "change" the attitudes of the entire country. And if anyone thinks he is the person responsible for the country's sway towards the suburbs after WWII, you are giving Robert Moses WAY too much "credit". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 13:12:51 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Feb 12 10:45:40 2007. Great post. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 12 14:26:59 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Feb 12 10:45:40 2007. "The LIE possibly could use a subway but how many people live near the LIE? Where would you put those 50,000 car garages?"Why would you need 50,000 car garages? The LIRR seems to do fine with parking lots at all the stations. They could have done the same with the LIE. "Would you want people taking city streets to the Queens-Midtown Tunnel?" Horace Harding Boulevard pre-dated the LIE so they would not have been on local streets but on a surface parkway that probably would have been widened to three lanes each way, had Moses not built the LIE. "the Prospect Expressway, built int the 1950s. While many homes disappeared on 17th St. and Prospect Avenue, it connected Ocean Parkway to the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel" "the Clearview Expressway in Queens is missing a one-mile section that would safely and happily connect it with the Belt Parkway" Moses never intended for any of his Parkways or Expressways to dead end. I believe he wanted to have the Prospect Expressway go all the way to the Belt Parkway by tearing up Ocean Parkway. That one mile segment of the Clearview did not get built because of community opposition but Moses wanted it. Even if you look at how the West Shore Expressway is constructed, it was not intended to terminate at the Outerbridge Crossing. It was supposed to go another mile south to Hylan Boulevard which Moses also wanted to turn into an expressway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 12 14:28:15 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:43:05 2007. So do you think that Caro was not telling the truth? I am only repeating what he said in "The Power Broker" |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 12 14:37:26 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:32:21 2007. I don't agree. He says many good things about Moses especially in his early years. He even states somewhere that on the whole, he feels we are better off today because of Moses' efforts. I think he was very fair and does a good job backing up his assertions. I even read the 25 page rebuttal by Moses which is available on the internet. (I don't have the link handy, but you could probably Google it without too much trouble.) He comes across just like the arrogant bastard Caro claims he was. He accuses Caro of making things up without any back-up, but in his rebuttal, Moses can only back up one claim against Caro where I think Moses is correct. That's pretty good in my opinion, one mistake in 1400 pages of text. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 12 14:46:49 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 23:58:17 2007. "But the approaches and ramps have to go somewhere for the much needed Narrows bridge. As for the narrows bridge. Wouldn't a tunnel have made more sense?" You're only adding to Edwards! argument that homes were destroyed needlessly. If a tunnel were built instead, you wouldn't have needed the portion of the BQE south of 65th Street. They could have widened the Belt by cutting into the park if they built a tunnel. As far as Third Avenue is concerned, are you saying that the old Gowanus Parkway did not destroy homes? That it was just placed on top of the el pillars to replace the el? I don't think you're correct. Even at 4 lanes, it would be wider than the el and there would have been some demolition. There would have been less disruption on Second Avenue because it was industrial, not commercial and residential. |
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Re: Set Your VCR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 12 14:51:30 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 12 14:46:49 2007. Oh? Well, with the height of the QMII, a tunnel would have been certainly desirable, if not needed. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:32:10 2007, in response to Re: Set Your DVR/TIVO, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 01:14:47 2007. $40 for VCR? I just saw a DVD player at Target for $29. |
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Re: Set Your DVR/TIVO |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 12 15:40:46 2007, in response to Re: Set Your DVR/TIVO, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:32:10 2007. Yeah, but you won't get a DVD recorder for under $69. The "R" in VCR does mean "recorder", after all . . .(Of course, if you really wanna go cheap, you can probably find one of those old top-loader VCRs from the late 70s, the ones that weigh five times what today's video recorders do, for approximately $5. They won't be stereo, though.) |
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Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Feb 12 15:53:00 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by ntrainride on Mon Feb 12 10:47:05 2007. The idea of a "suburb" is about as old as the idea of an "urb".I blame Ebenezer Howard myself. |
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Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 12 15:54:10 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Feb 11 13:15:16 2007. Then get your parents/chauffeur to drive you around.Isn't Moses-world great? I don't know how overprotective his parents are, but there are many parents in the States loathe to let their children walk around alone for fear of various predators. Most of the fear is generated by media from the various abduction stories leading parents to believe that there's a cadre of criminals out to kidnap and molest and kill their children. La Grande Anse |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Feb 12 16:05:42 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 12 15:54:10 2007. I don't know what world you live in, but there are plenty of miscreants out there who will do some type of harm to children, even if it's just 'taking their lunch money'. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Feb 12 16:07:50 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 12 00:22:04 2007. Isn't the grade on the manhattan bridge steeper than that? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 16:15:22 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by J trainloco on Mon Feb 12 16:07:50 2007. Not really sure. I am generally curious. I don't believe the Manhattan Bridge is as high as the Manhattan Bridge. Remember, the grades may be that high, sure, but remember, the higher the bridge, the further away those inclines must be to reach the higher height. So you can't just take the grade, you have to take the height that grade must go to, and the slope involved to get to that height over a longer distance the higher the bridge is. |
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Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 12 16:15:52 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by J trainloco on Mon Feb 12 16:05:42 2007. I don't know what world you live in, but there are plenty of miscreants out there who will do some type of harm to children, even if it's just 'taking their lunch money'.I never said that there are no dangers for children's safety, but that some of the dangers seem to be over hyped by the media. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 16:16:05 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 16:15:22 2007. Manhattan Bridge is as high as the Manhattan BridgeHaha, obviously I meant as high as the Verrazano bridge. |
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