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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 18:19:58 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:59:41 2006. The MTA has a new image these days though, the Teal/World's Fair/TA Blue appears to be an image developed by the TA for the system during the 1964 World's Fair and was kept long after that during the fight against graffiti. The MTA currently is all about innovation and technology, and the stainless steel goes perfectly with the feel of the system. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:21:47 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:19:11 2006. Well that, HELL NO! We don't want THAT to happen. Look, Dave, your a good guy which I have met in person. I really do not want to fight over this. My opinion is, is that a LITTLE exterior graffiti I would not mind. But crime and violence, we ALL do not want. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:22:42 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 18:19:58 2006. Yea, atleast it's better then the Brown/Dark green like the old days. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 4 18:32:50 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 14:53:54 2006. They aren't my photos, they are from nycsubway.org. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 4 18:35:36 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by R30A on Wed Oct 4 14:48:54 2006. No, the windows are a PITA, but it's way better than when the trains were covered in graffiti. The trains looke much worse. Not to mention that since the door windows used to be those kind you can just kick out....well, the kids did, so it wasn't uncommon back in the late 70's and early 80's to get trains with some door windows missing completely. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:47:07 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:21:47 2006. And you are a wonderful person to meet as well. I am not fighting with you, but I'm pointing out the difference between what is perceived as art to what should be called vandalism.You have a great future ahead but just understand the importance of NYCT's stand on graffiti and you now know why. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:54:06 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:47:07 2006. Thank you, and IAWTP. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:06:19 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 15:26:52 2006. Yeah, but how did the subway get its negative connotation? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:07:48 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 15:43:48 2006. It is art in any medium. Just because it's vandalization doesn't mean that it's not art. You need to get over it. I'm not saying vandalizing anything is good, I'm just saying that just because it's vandalization, that doesn't change the fact that it is art. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:11:18 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:33:08 2006. I'm not romantacizing ghetto culture. I haven't said ANYTHING about ghetto culture. I'm talking about graffiti and graffiti ONLY. And to say it serves no purpose is like saying the Mona Lisa served no purpose. I honestly think they serve the same purpose, and that's for the artist to show their skill/ability as well as to express themselves. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:12:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 16:47:35 2006. Ah |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:15:30 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:51:14 2006. That's your opinion. I personally agree that the stainless steel is boring. The MTAs fleet in general is boring. LIB is probably the most colorful, with two thin stripes, one blue, one orange. Even the NYCT buses are more colorful than the subways. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:16:37 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 18:01:34 2006. It was at a low point not just b/c of graffiti, but because the city in general was in a pretty low point. Crime was through the roof. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:18:05 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:47:07 2006. Why can't something be both art and vandalism? |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Oct 4 19:36:09 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:21:47 2006. My opinion is, is that a LITTLE exterior graffiti I would not mind. But crime and violence, we ALL do not want.All three are connected, you can't have graffitti without the crime and violence. It was all part of the downward slide of the transit system. It was a statement that all hell had broken loose and no one cared. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 4 19:46:38 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:45:30 2006. Tag it, Rembrandt. Let everyone know the Warriors were here. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 4 19:49:29 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:36:06 2006. The green paint scheme was better. The R30's should have used it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 4 19:53:17 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:11:18 2006. Grafitti is not art, since it's very definition implies vandalism and a collapse of social order. You're confusing the pretty paintings with what they represent. If taggers want to put their efforts into legitimate works of art, within the limits of the law, more power to them. But the entire grafitti sub-culture rejects this. The outlaw aspect of grafitti cannot be seperated from it's criminal and anti-social connotations, even if the pretty pictures look nice. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 19:53:53 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 4 19:53:17 2006. IGIAWTP. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:07:38 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:37:38 2006. 'Oh crap... 'please, not on the computer.......... I'll email what I know....... |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 20:09:52 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:07:38 2006. It was a joke, c'mon dude! |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:13:44 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 4 17:45:41 2006. which is which, who is whoam I dumb or dumber? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:15:11 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:06:13 2006. 'Would it be beautiful is someone tagged your house or apartment building in the same manner as car #1801?' if it was good, perhaps...... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:19:33 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:18:05 2006. 'Why can't something be both art and vandalism?' it can be,,,One man's junk is another man's treasure |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:23:17 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Oct 4 19:36:09 2006. 'All three are connected, you can't have graffitti without the crime and violence' so the car got tagged, where was the crime and violence? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:27:21 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 19:56:59 2006. I know you like being the Devils Advocate...but do you remember the 80's much?The fashions were NASTY LOOKING...[Ever wear French Cuts pants and Mock Neck shirts?] The country was run by an Actor that was ULTRA CONSERVATIVE..living up to Trickle Down Economics Mantra...meaning the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. The subways were horror stories..that I don't need to get into details about... Taggs were ALL OVER the place..covered damn near every inch of the trains..stations and structures... Just nasty... To FULLY Understand how bad it was..you NEEDED to BE THERE. Were You? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:29:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:45:30 2006. might enjoy it, the inside hallway needs a paint job, anyway |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed Oct 4 20:29:51 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by R30A on Tue Oct 3 18:27:40 2006. This is R62A 1870 on the 1 with its interior marked by 3 different types of graffiti-window etching, scatchitti and dark permanent marker. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:31:34 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:53:53 2006. Yes ..it will.Once again..if you didn't understand what kind of problem it was... It caused a DOMINO EFFECT...from a broken window on a subway car to corruption in the MTA OFFICES... Think about it. You TAG your house..watch others come along and do likewise...then watch someone break in and rob you blind...and so on and so on. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed Oct 4 20:32:44 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:27:21 2006. Reagan's dumbest thing was declaring "war on drugs". Like every major celebrity in the 80s had to record an anti-drug public service message. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:33:22 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 16:58:16 2006. 'both beautiful views! ' That's not beautiful at all...it really isn't... ' you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine 'You're twisted thoughts are so.....twisted... ' thankyou 'This is in no way beautiful,' you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:37:14 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Oct 4 20:32:44 2006. "There you go again"...Ronald McReagan...at the National Presidental Debates...to President Jimmy Cater. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:38:21 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:06:19 2006. the media..... |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 20:38:28 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Oct 4 19:36:09 2006. Now you're talking out of you ass. Graffiti did NOT cause the crime and violence on the subways. It was a product of the times, not the producer. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 20:39:50 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 4 19:53:17 2006. Grafitti IS art! Whether you recognize it or not, it IS art. Who ever said that art can't be illegal? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 20:43:21 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:38:21 2006. Also the truth that the subways were dark, dirty, and dangerous |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 20:43:21 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:27:21 2006. For a few months, yes. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 20:43:57 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:27:21 2006. You just helped prove my point. I rest my case. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:45:48 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 20:09:52 2006. 'It was a joke, c'mon dude!' okay, okay! Don't get your bowels in an uproar! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:48:00 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:31:17 2006. BMT R1 THUR R10...?Whats wrong with you? Don't you EVER confuse IND CARS with BMT cars again! The IND....! The Best.. of the best..of the Best.....SIR! |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 20:48:52 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 20:45:48 2006. There not! I can't be calmer then this. |
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Posted by IRT Rules on Wed Oct 4 20:55:48 2006, in response to THE TRUTH from G1Ravage (Re: 7 train tagged in service!), posted by G1Ravage on Wed Oct 4 00:23:11 2006. How was the train tagged? Are they still laying trains up overnight on the EL? |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 21:17:09 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 19:15:30 2006. The fleet is generally clean, reliable for the most part, the MTA finally achieving an all stainless steel fleet symbolizes the growth and modernization of the system.I don't think the MTA was ever looking to have "salad train consists" but they didn't have a choice nor could they do much about it due to lack of funding and other issues. The subways managed to keep a uniform look from the 1900s up to the 1950s, when new paint schemes where introduced. After 1964 with the World's Fair blue paint scheme, everything seemed to have went downhill with the motley of paint schemes and it wasn't until the early 90s when everything was sorted out in the MTA's favor with the Redbirds as the only non-stainless steel fleet in the system. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 21:25:45 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:33:08 2006. GHETTO CULTURE..?Graffiti REPRESENTS ghetto Culture? Okay..first...What IS GHETTEO CULTURE..? And HOW could something like it represent HOW WE THINK ACT AND FEEL ABOUT OURSELVES? About how we eat sleep and dress? How do you come to such a conclusion...? Please enlighten me.! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 21:31:07 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 21:17:09 2006. Hah..They could have done something about it.. If they didn't waste MILLIONS of dollars..[Stiil have a number of R9 parts..even though the R9's have been out of service since 77?] If the didn't STEAL MILLIONS of dollars from the state...to send their chidren to school .. If they didn't give out major contracts to companies with MOB TIES... If they didn't particapate in KICKBACKS...UNION BUSTING.. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 21:40:13 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 21:17:09 2006. modernization is boring |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 22:02:40 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 21:40:13 2006. The subways used to look so gloomy and dreary back in the 70s and 80s..IMO modernization brought much life back into the system.       
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 22:41:28 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 22:02:40 2006. Picture 1 >>>> picture 2. Look at the shiny R46s with the blue stripe! |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 22:46:07 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 22:41:28 2006. They were still very unreliable at that point (1977), shiny or not.. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 22:51:01 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 22:46:07 2006. 16's and 36's were beautiful this wayalthough their original color scheme was at least 10x better |
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