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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 17 17:21:26 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 17 17:20:41 2006. I was on that trip. IIRC, one car's motors were reversing. (I could be wrong).They cut the trip short after that and we boarded southbound revenue trains to get back downtown. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 17 17:51:56 2006, in response to Closed Diner in Rock Park- re: TM Nostalgia Train, posted by Howard Fein on Wed May 17 12:04:49 2006. There's a Wendy's as well, east on Beach Channel (I think.) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed May 17 17:57:40 2006, in response to Re: Closed Diner in Rock Park- re: TM Nostalgia Train, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 17 17:51:56 2006. Isn't there also a subway's on Beach Channel inside the gas station off the corner? |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:39:33 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Howard Fein on Wed May 17 13:48:26 2006. I second that. A typical MOD trip would go to three or four different outer terminals and often use trackage not usually in revenue service. Fine. So then maybe the Transit Museum trips can cover the same ground and for the same reasons in three or four civilized and well-balanced trips than one marathon session where if you've seen one yard or one outpost of the system, you've seen them all. If we did go to the yards, I would then have liked to have seen the interiors of some of the rider cars in the yard, but that is something we probably would've never seen anyway. The outsides of the cars were all made uniform in the late '80s. It is the insides that are the differentiating factors nowadays, and that will never be revealed, sad to say, due to some very decent liability concerns. The non-revenue trackage we traverse is minimal at best, usually consisting of a siding used for relays, or a junction not normally used to get to another line. At most, two minutes of the itinerary. BFD. Like a shmuck I've always tried to feel the difference between riding revenue rails and those which haven't been used. Other than some very insignificant and barely perceptable changes in perspective, there ain't no difference. No need to say "Shhhh! We're going over the actual diamond crossing between the Astoria Line and the Flushing Line. Hear those wheels grinding the barely-used rails!" because it just doesn't happen. I can't speak for others on here, but after about a half-dozen of the MOD trips, I started questioning my desire to be on them because they lasted too long for any responsible adult, took too much out of me, began to all feel "the same," were run too often, and weren't really a good place to socialize. I went anyway, and began to hate myself more until I flat out stopped going altoghether at some point near to the end of the trips' complete cessation. This is not to say they weren't professionally run, coordinated, planned, and executed. They were wonders of urban railroad engineering and choreography from a technical perspective. But they were just too much of what was once a great thing. Everybody tells me that MTA's bigwigs read this board as if that were some sort of warning to me to stay away from promoting the Establishment's stance on matters you are working against. Maybe they sense that, and purposefully work against (y)our interests as they see what (y)our interests attract. Couldn't it be that we could all work with them as maybe adjunct ambassadors to their efforts, however limited they may be in our interests, so that we can be further trusted with more and enhanced programs going forward? Who knows, if we all volunteered at the Transit Museum or as crewmembers on the trains, or sharing our picture databases with the Museum showing these cars in fantrip service, they may reward us with an exclusive ten-hour marathon cruise throughout the system and the privilege of thoroughly dismantling an about-to-be-scrapped set of cars for whatever souvenirs we want. Maybe they won't now; maybe they won't ever, but we have to try. Right now, I don't believe the railfan community, as defined by this board, has the power to police its membership and its voice. We're still too far into the deep end. Make our hobby/obsession an amateur "profession" and maybe we will be treated as such. We now have to make the first move and extend the first olive branch. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 17 18:43:41 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 16:36:40 2006. I'm in that picture (on the left, carrying a tripod.) |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:54:11 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 13:55:30 2006. Lou has been on at least one MOD trip that I can remember, but what does that have to do with the price of rice? As someone with extensive connections to the Inside, as well as first-hand experience with hobbyists of all grades of pathology and/or interest, I highly value his take on the matter. You don't have to be a chicken to make an informed opinion about eggs. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:56:10 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:09:50 2006. You hold the camera. You're the boss, dude. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed May 17 18:56:55 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:09:50 2006. Well do they look good? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 17 19:01:32 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 13:38:11 2006. The trip was at least 11 or 12 years ago, it was with a group of us from BSM, Including the Late Dick Lloyd, who died in 1996. Everybody in the party was with the Transportation Department and all of us were turned off by the conduct of the rabid foamers, especially with that lenghty stay rambling around that yard. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed May 17 19:03:27 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 17 19:01:32 2006. Can you explain these foamers to me? I know WHAT they are, but can you tell me what they did? |
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Posted by BIE on Wed May 17 19:49:52 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:39:33 2006. Dammit, Fox that post has caused me to OD on |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 17 19:53:21 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:39:33 2006. Right now, I don't believe the railfan community, as defined by this board, has the power to police its membership and its voice. We're still too far into the deep end. Make our hobby/obsession an amateur "profession" and maybe we will be treated as suchAs defined by this board alone . . . ? Heh heh. Visit other boards and you'll experience foam that taketh away thine oxygen. The lunatic fringe of the phoam is nowhere near as bad as "thug life", though . . . but it does butt heads with the law. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 19:59:36 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 17 18:43:41 2006. Ah, that you are. That's one of my all-time favorite photos, and it's also my most viewed photo on NYCSubway.org. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:04:48 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:39:33 2006. I went anyway, and began to hate myself more until I flat out stopped going altoghether at some point near to the end of the trips' complete cessation.Good, more room for me on the trips, since I loved every one of them, appreciated every out-of-the-ordinary aspect, and experienced every one of them as if it were the last one, because I knew it was too good to last for ever. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 17 20:10:32 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 17 17:21:26 2006. IIRC one of the Lo-Vs had that affliction. The problem was later diagnosed and repaired. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:15:00 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 17 19:01:32 2006. 11 or 12 years ago...were turned off by the conduct of the rabid foamersWow. I don't mean any disrespect, but are you senile? We were talking about the MOD trips, circa 2003-2005. You called a trip from ~1994 a "MOD trip" and used the behavior you supposedly witnessed as proff of what some people describe as the norm on the MOD trips. 1. YOU WEREN'T ON A MOD TRIP. 2. 1994 WAS A DIFFERENT ERA 3. I'd say at least half the participants on the MOD trips were not part of the NYC railfan scene in 1994. 4. I doubt any of these "rabid foamers" you supposedly saw were on the MOD trips Bottom line, you are a weak person who allows your fear of others to not only keep you from enjoying something (a vintage subway ride), but also keeps you from giving it a second try 11-12 years later. It also makes you hold a grudge and take every opportunity to talk bad about those "NYC foamers." Get a life. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:21:22 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:54:11 2006. I value his take as well. But there is a difference between witnessing something first-hand, and hearing it second-hand. The people telling these stories are likely obviously and understandably bitter about the trips being canceled. And a lot of things don't add up, since for many of the "problems" given as reasons as to why the MOD trips were ended, it seems like there were "solutions" that could have been tried first. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:21:58 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed May 17 18:56:55 2006. I'm asking the question. Don't ask me the same question back. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:22:29 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:56:10 2006. It's your story, you tell me. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed May 17 22:19:57 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:15:00 2006. Dammit Terp, When you get a quarter the OPERATING experience Dan Lawrence has then maybe you'll understand. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Wed May 17 22:23:05 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by BIE on Wed May 17 22:19:57 2006. What does that have to do with anything that's being discussed here? |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 22:30:32 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:04:48 2006. I loved every one of them, appreciated every out-of-the-ordinary aspect, and experienced every one of them as if it were the last one, because I knew it was too good to last for ever. Brian, I appreciated, and even became very excited and anxious, about every out-of-the-ordinary aspect of each trip. I probably still would. But the amount of out-of-the-ordinary to merely routine outside the rolling stock itself is probably 1:40. If the purpose of MOD trips is to showcase the unusual, they can be run as three or four hour trips highlighting one or two unusual aspects of the system. How much longer is sanely necessary? Going from the F line to the J line, or going from the J line to the L line on the same train isn't something I will regale my coworkers with. Traveling on the express track of the Dyre Avenue line isn't going on my resume. "Ya wanna ride Track BJ1 with me?" is NOT a pickup line. If these are such earth-shattering and deeply-chronicled memories to you, you may be interested in membership in the Raccoon Lodge. If you win Raccoon of the Year, you can open the first clam at the annual clambake, pilot the Raccoon boat past Raccoon Point, and get you and your wife free burial plots in Bismarck, North Dakota. You may even be called upon to throw the first bag of water over the hotel balcony at the Raccoon Convention. Those are some REAL accomplishments! Perspective. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 22:32:38 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 22:30:32 2006. I already have burial plots. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 22:39:52 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:22:29 2006. Well the ones I were picturing were about late-20s to early-40s, wearing shorts and bikini tops (it can happen!), friends for eternity, who heard about the trip through one of their fathers or brothers, and thought the trip would be something different, and a place to maybe find a guy or give their boyfriends the slip for the day. They still have smiles on their faces and are excited about riding the old train. None of the obsessives or other undesirables have accosted them yet. THOSE are the ones I am talking about. The kind that make a Norman Rockwell painting. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 22:44:14 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 22:39:52 2006. Ok, I'd take their photo. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Wed May 17 23:48:21 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 10:43:29 2006. PRAVDA KOMRAD. I got a 6% raise as top tech making two bucks an hour less than transit CI but have far better benefits than what TWU offers with premium shift and major overtime as a FRA certified Car Inspector. RRCI Peter |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu May 18 00:01:02 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:44:10 2006. I won't even ask why Alstom should have got a cut. You and I lived through when MOD sought funding through those 'dime books.' I don't trust 'charities.' Next week I am sked for 'WeatherSpotter' training at Red Cross HQ in Manhattan.Why should Alstom get a cut? OOPS |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu May 18 00:44:07 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Wed May 17 22:23:05 2006. IAWTP. We're talking MOD/TM Trips... not Danny Lawrence's brakehandle. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 18 00:46:33 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by tracksionmotor on Thu May 18 00:01:02 2006. The black hand of Al D'Amato, you silly. :) |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu May 18 00:49:37 2006, in response to TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Booge on Tue Apr 18 21:48:26 2006. Am I the only buffoon whom has SYMPATHY FOR THE CREWS OF THE MOD?In midst of all this finger-pointing, coulda-shoulda-wouldnja's let me be the first to post: THANK YOU TO THE CREWS OF THE MOD FOR THE EXCITEMENT AND JOYS THEY BRUNG US ALL.... AND I PITY THEY HAD TO BE DISCIPLINED FOR THESE MATTERS. THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU'D DONE TO PROVIDE US THESE JOURNEYS. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Thu May 18 01:58:06 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:15:00 2006. I think you are incorrect. Subdivision "C" was running fantripsto benefit the MOD ca. 1994. There were some D-type and Lo-V trips around that time, and Lo-Vs in regular service on the GC Shuttle for the 90th anniversary of the IRT. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Thu May 18 02:01:19 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 17 14:43:23 2006. Wrong. Most of them were NOT MTA cars. They were sold off and now belong to a differententity. Partially correct. "Most" would imply at least 50% of the fantrip cars were privately owned. I don't think that is the case. The 4 Lo-V cars and 1 or 2 of the R1-9 cars are private, but most of the cars that were involved in the 2004 festivities, including the BUs and the "classic SMEE" cars, are NYCTA-owned. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 06:47:20 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Jeff H. on Thu May 18 01:58:06 2006. Ok. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 18 06:59:41 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by BIE on Wed May 17 22:19:57 2006. Who gives a shit? Really, unless you do this for a living, you're a foamer. Bah, when railfans go sour...it's a bit like seeing your parents drunk for the first time.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 09:09:45 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:15:00 2006. >>>>Bottom line, you are a weak person who allows your fear of others to not only keep you from enjoying something (a vintage subway ride), but also keeps you from giving it a second try 11-12 years later. It also makes you hold a grudge and take every opportunity to talk bad about those "NYC foamers." Get a life. <<<<WOW, sounds just like something RonInBayside would say. You 2 are so much alike it's frightening. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 09:52:36 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 09:09:45 2006. False. I'm just repeating back what Dan has already admitted, including his constant bashing of NYC railfans (even though he hasn't been on a NYC subway railfan trip in 12 years), whereas Ron pulls stuff out of his ass, like using made up stories of me bumping into people as a rebuttal to my arguments about AirTrain.Ron constantly uses made up stories and scenarios. Dan provided real stories and scenarios. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 09:53:35 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 09:52:36 2006. Whatever. |
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Posted by TeaBiscuit18thAveDude on Thu May 18 10:02:59 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by tracksionmotor on Wed May 17 23:48:21 2006. Meaning once your job with Bombardier is done with LIRR, you can go on to other RRs...correct? |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu May 18 10:08:07 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 09:53:35 2006. Now you're acting like Ron when he's lost and out of insults |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:12:03 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 09:53:35 2006. lol |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 10:14:30 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 18:39:33 2006. I would then have liked to have seen the interiors of some of the rider cars in the yard...
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:19:30 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 20:04:48 2006. >>>>"Good, more room for me on the trips....."<<<You need lots of room for all those buckets you carry to collect your foam in. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 10:22:28 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 03:48:58 2006. I like getting people in fantrip shots to give it some context...  Even if there isn't a train in the picture... 
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 10:25:15 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:09:50 2006. HOT?Exactly the sort of behavior that discourages non-foamers from attending these trips. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu May 18 10:29:49 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by mambomta on Thu May 18 10:08:07 2006. pwn3d :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 10:39:43 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:19:30 2006. We know you are bitter. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:41:17 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 10:22:28 2006. Auuuuugh, that conductor is SCARY!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 10:44:04 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 10:25:15 2006. Do explain. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu May 18 10:46:39 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:12:03 2006. Which post were you supposed to be replying to? You replied to your own post. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:47:20 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 10:39:43 2006. People like you, make me bitter, bitter that I like trains but do not want to associate with the majority of people that share my interest. Are you more than one person? What's this we shit. Who appointed you spokesfoamer? |
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