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rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005

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rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is
who could beat me in this ?
that peter guy in san francisco ?

Thank you for taking the time to upload your photos to
RailPictures.Net! As
always, we sincerely appreciate your continued support, and look
forward
to seeing more photo contributions from you in the future!

If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the results
of
your photo submissions, which are outlined below, please respond
directly
to this e-mail, and the screener who handled your photos will get in
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NEW!! If you would like to appeal a rejection, please click the 'Appeal
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Photo Submission Results:

Photo ID 182121 was rejected from the database.
Railroad: LACMTA GOLD LINE
Locomotive: SIEMENS P2000 LRV
Screener Comments:

Reason(s) for Rejection:

- Bad Motive: This rejection reason means that the photo is of low
esthetic qualities, or is simply not the type of material we are wishing to
publish.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=182121
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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by mr_brian on Mon Nov 7 00:24:17 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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Why do you keep taking shots at Peter Ehrlich?

The photo looks a little overexposed on the left, which may be why it was rejected.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by joe c on Mon Nov 7 00:27:26 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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Great shot,i don't get why rail pictures.net would take pictures like
this.what part of the gold line was this taken in?




til next time

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 00:28:16 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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Dude, just give it the fuck up. If you want Railpictures.net to accept your photos go out to Cajon and shoot some roster shots, that's all they're interested in. They say it right there on the email, " Bad Motive: This rejection reason means that the photo is of low esthetic qualities, or is simply not the type of material we are wishing to publish..". They're not rejecting your photo for any reason other than that they don't enjoy electrically powered transit in ways most of the folks on this board would. There's nothing wrong with your photo, their cup of tea just happens to be identical shots of diesel powered freight trains and they're quite unwilling to compromise on that point. Instead of trying to get your photo into there, send it to Trevor at Transitalk or Dave at NYCsubway.org.

Besides, why would you want your pictures on a popup-laden site anyway? You recieve none of the ad revenue which they're getting off your picture.

That said a few Subchatters have gotten photos of electric transit accepted by the Railpictures.net screeners. RPansePCC and R7 Torresdale Express in particular have had success getting transit related photos through to the board. If you want, keep appealing and hope that your photo gets on there. I don't see what the big deal is, since their site sucks anyway. Just please stop bitching, you're not the only photographer on the west coast, nor are you the best, and it's really annoying to have to listen to you gripe and moan every time Railpictures.net rejects you.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 00:34:32 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 00:28:16 2005.

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Yeah, they don't really want urban transit systems unless the shots are amazing. They want to see real FRA-type heavy rail ops.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 00:40:27 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by mr_brian on Mon Nov 7 00:24:17 2005.

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Why do you keep taking shots at Peter Ehrlich?
Brian, haven't you seen his thread generator? You of all people...



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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by mr_brian on Mon Nov 7 00:40:57 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 00:40:27 2005.

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Silly me.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 7 00:44:53 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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Time to flood Railpictures with emails complaining about photo rejection. They've gone too far.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 00:46:31 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 7 00:44:53 2005.

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It's their site, they can do whatever they want.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 7 00:58:33 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 00:40:27 2005.

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Or...

ANGELS wiN!!!!!

whooopppppeeeeeeeeeee

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 01:04:37 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 7 00:58:33 2005.

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Yeah, but I could only fit three buttons.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 01:25:46 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by mr_brian on Mon Nov 7 00:24:17 2005.

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no way could he beat me
it seems they like his darks ass shots
i suppose

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 01:27:10 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by joe c on Mon Nov 7 00:27:26 2005.

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the sierra madrae villa station the lignting is never in the right
place ever
sure would like to see thier finest come close
sorry hate to brag

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 01:28:13 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 00:34:32 2005.

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like big diesel railroad shots eh ?

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 01:29:27 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 7 00:44:53 2005.

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it is thier site but thier taste SUX .....
i have seen thier ''approved-photos'' and they were not always very
good

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 02:22:01 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 01:29:27 2005.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is
Bet they ''reject'' this beauty too !!
i bet !!


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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Nov 7 02:47:34 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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Well the photo was grainy and could be crisper. There is also not much light on the nose of the vehicle.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 04:18:27 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Nov 7 02:47:34 2005.

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yea....
oh well ...the lighting was not ideal and i had to adapt
it was clear was it ?
aremt nightshots somewhat .........''grainy''
my video camera goes ''grainy'' when i shoot at night


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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by R PansePCC on Mon Nov 7 04:47:51 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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I think they have a problem with public transportation. They just like freight trains more than light rail & subways. Great shot though.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Nov 7 06:19:46 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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I can't make out the undercarriage of the train.

(That's why they rejected a photo of mine of a C train and 2nd Avenue a while ago.)

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 06:42:14 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Nov 7 06:19:46 2005.

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i think they prefer diesel powered type railroad train photos .........
rail and commuter rail transit is frowned upon by them
i took a lot of photos that night & that was one of them i liked
it was from the center of the platform
the undercarriage of the train is blocked out by the platform
i would like to C your photo they rejected
bet it rocked !!

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Nov 7 06:54:20 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 06:42:14 2005.

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Actually, it wasn't all that great, but it's not the lighting that's the problem.



I also found this ultra-rare reading that same day:



(Most use the name of the service, JFK Express, rather than its advertising slogan.)

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 7 07:29:49 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Nov 7 06:54:20 2005.

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That is one LOST C train. Not only does it think it's an airport train, it thinks it's supposed to hang out at 2nd Ave! I hope you helped him get home....

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Nov 7 08:04:15 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 7 07:29:49 2005.

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Nah, it's not lost. It was just a G.O. I think this was the first time they did the F/G swap...either that or something to do with the Rutgers tunnel.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by aem7ac on Mon Nov 7 08:18:55 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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Sallam,

If you are looking for constructive comments:

1. Faster shutter might allow you to see the destination sign.
2. Clearly that station wasn't the best place to shoot a 1/3 angle shot, since you can't see the side of the train very well.
3. As people have already said, you can't see the undercarriage and that is important.
4. Lacking in aesthethic quality is a fair comment: it's an equipment shot and doesn't show anything else (people, station signs, trees with foilage, other elements that make it more than just a picture of a train.) You should try to focus not just on the train but also what else is around it. Example:



Notice how this picture shows the bus in its natural environment, along with trees, and the USDOT building behind it. If I could improve on this photo I would have said: would have been nice if the back of the bus wasn't cut off. But it didn't matter, since the rest of the scene more than compensates for the cut off back of the bus.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Nov 7 08:25:04 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 7 07:29:49 2005.

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No, those are two different trains. C trains were terminating at 2nd Avenue, some F trains were running from 179 to Euclid, and other F trains were running from Court Square to Avenue X.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Nov 7 08:36:05 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 00:28:16 2005.

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Who cares about California anyway? It's a dumb state.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Dave on Mon Nov 7 08:52:11 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 01:04:37 2005.

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Change one to "Nazi cops!"

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 7 09:01:03 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by Dave on Mon Nov 7 08:52:11 2005.

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You mean "nazi KKK gestapo pigs!"

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Robert King on Mon Nov 7 10:28:04 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Nov 7 08:36:05 2005.

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I don't like California much either, but I would like to go to San Francisco and ride the PCC cars on Market St. someday.

-Robert King

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 11:30:59 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 01:25:46 2005.

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Are you really that fucking stupid? Why do you insist upon pursuing your anti-Peter Erlich bent? What has he done to you that you feel the need to slight him at every oppertunity? He's stated many times that he does not feel the need to compete with you, so I have to wonder how it feels to be competing against nobody.

Say it with me: Photography is not a competition. Celebrate all the photos taken by everyone. Sure some will be better than others, but the rubric by which one person may decide a given photograph is better than another is so subjective that a contest based upon photography is next to pointless.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 11:44:21 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 11:30:59 2005.

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Will, you must understand, there is no getting through to this man. He insists that he must be better than Peter Ehrlich. I don't think anyone gives a shit besides him.

Anyway, the thread generator says it all:


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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Nov 7 11:49:37 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 11:44:21 2005.

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I think the thread generator is hillarious.

Peace,
ANDEE

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Nov 7 11:49:48 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 11:44:21 2005.

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I think the thread generator is hillarious.

Peace,
ANDEE

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Nov 7 12:18:41 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 00:28:16 2005.

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In all seriousness I don't think they want nothing but roster shots of freight engines, but they definitely have a bias towards Class I railroads and a further lean towards freight ops. They also seem to have a thing for historical stuff, although that might vary from screener to screener (I don't even know how many they have).

Interestingly enough, I got what one would probably call a roster shot of a subway train accepted. I mean, you can't really see much else besides the one car and a bit of trackage in the foreground. Maybe one of the screeners does like passenger rail or MUs, I dunno.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=66771

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Mon Nov 7 12:47:33 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 7 09:01:03 2005.

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LMFAO!

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Nov 7 13:49:48 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by mr_brian on Mon Nov 7 00:24:17 2005.

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No, bad motive means the screener basically didn't like the shot...well that's a bit of an oversimplification, but it basically boils down to that. They would've put "Overexposed" as the reason for rejection if that was the case. Salaam should appeal and hope he gets a more passenger-rail friendly screener. In his appeal he should mention the fact that grain and blur are minimal and the train is pretty well-lit...although another screener may yet reject it again for the reason you stated (a little too bright on the left side of the shot).

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Nov 7 13:50:31 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 02:22:01 2005.

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Backlit.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 14:20:14 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 04:18:27 2005.

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The idea is to know enough about your camera to step the exposure or ISO levels down such that you're not shooting at a level which would induce graininess. If this requires going to an ISO of 50, 100, or 200 while accepting a longer exposure then such is life.

BTW, do or have you ever use(d) any DSLRs?

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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Nov 7 14:28:28 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 14:20:14 2005.

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The guy is using a digital camera. No grainyness due to exposure/ISO levels.

AEM7AC

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Nov 7 14:30:59 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by aem7ac on Mon Nov 7 14:28:28 2005.

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I wish, using ISO 200 or 400 results in a grainier image with digital.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 7 14:31:56 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by aem7ac on Mon Nov 7 14:28:28 2005.

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You're wrong.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by aem7ac on Mon Nov 7 14:35:56 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 7 14:31:56 2005.

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I'm right.

Grainyness results from a feature of the chemical emulsion used in manufacturing film. This feature doesn't occur with charged coupled devices. The feature you see with digital cameras is one of random noise from the signal processing circuity, and shows up as green-and-pink (or some other color) discolorations in the image. The net result is a little different and it isn't called "grainyness".

AEM7AC

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 7 14:43:22 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by aem7ac on Mon Nov 7 14:35:56 2005.

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You're wrong in saying that we are wrong. Digital cameras emulate film cameras. As such, when you increase the ISO on a digital camera, no matter what actually happens inside the camera, the final image produced by the camera has an increase in what is called graininess by digital photographers. And yes, it is also called noise.

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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Nov 7 14:47:21 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 7 14:43:22 2005.

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You're wrong in saying that we are wrong.

OK, sorry. You (plural) are spewing the bullshit that digital camera manufacturers come up with to try to make their cameras more marketable to people who are used to film terminologys. And I'm wrong in that I don't believe in that bullcrap and choose to understand digital technology as it is rather than its emulation of the film technology that came before.

As such, when you increase the ISO on a digital camera,

There is no such thing as an ISO rating for a digital camera. Yes, most digital cameras allow you adjust that setting, but as you said, it's really just an emulation, and it's a way to calibrate the color curves and shutter times used internally by the digital camera to calculate your final picture.

the final image produced by the camera has an increase in what is called graininess by digital photographers. And yes, it is also called noise.

Oh, I see. So even though the "noise" in the photo arises from a completely different mechanism, it's still called "grainyness". I will adopt this terminology in future even though I know that it's wrong. Now we speak the same language. :)

AEM7AC

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Richmond Parkway on Mon Nov 7 15:16:30 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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I proclaim myself the new West Coast transit photography king, just to piss you off, bitch.





Seriously, who gives a fuck anyway? It's not like anybody outside this hobby even looks at these photos. You have your own website, post them there all you want and be happy with that (especially that you're fortunate enough to even have your own site).

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by mr_brian on Mon Nov 7 16:13:11 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 7 00:28:16 2005.

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RPansePCC and R7 Torresdale Express in particular have had success getting transit related photos through to the board.

Count me in, too.

It's the only photo accepted thus far, but at least it's proof proff that even I made it through.

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Nov 7 16:17:59 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by mr_brian on Mon Nov 7 16:13:11 2005.

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Congrats!

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Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 7 17:03:07 2005, in response to Re: rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Mon Nov 7 00:46:31 2005.

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How come Railpictures is the sole site with all these "rejections"? Let 'em become a pay site then.

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OH MY GOD WHAT A PHOTO!

Posted by Subway Camper on Mon Nov 7 17:05:00 2005, in response to rail pictures. net rejected this photo ,..my comment is, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:07:50 2005.

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GREAT HALLELUJAH this photo is amazing! It is unbelievable! It is FLAWLESS in EVERY ASPECT!

Salaam, you should send this picture to a contest or magazine, because it will win ANY contest and most SURELY get published somewhere.

This photo is so GORGEOUS I am trembling with awe, amazement, excitement, and envy right now!

Oh man, I'm still flipping out over it! This photo is so damn beautiful!

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