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Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 18:27:03 2026 Joshua!I think MTA will take this seriously. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Oct 6 19:11:51 2026, in response to Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 18:27:03 2026. Joshua is Wolk. I definitely want to see Bauman, who graduated MIT and is therefore extremely intelligent, roll in on this wolk guy and his so-called data. Bauman, with his charts and interpretive data, would wolk all over Joshua, that much I do know.Did you hear about all the gun violence in Newark over the weekend? It stretched from near the Passaic River into downtown and out to West Newark, a place I warned you people to avoid. Anyway, although my research is preliminary, there were a number of ShotSpotter notifications and most of the actors are on the run. The victims are/were being treated at Beth Israel Medical Center and the Shock Trauma unit at University Hospital. One guy was gunned down on Lyons Avenue... of course he was, because again, why not? The downtown shooting was right at Broad and Market late at night and was about one block from Hobby's, the renowned Jewish-style delicatessen that is not yet certified Kosher as far as I know. Sadly, the victim was pronounced. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 6 19:22:42 2026, in response to Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 18:27:03 2026. 1. It gets a decent crowd, nothing huge. Maybe 30-50 people get off a morning rush hour train there.2. In 2060 or whenever, it will connect with the Second Avenue Line. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 19:38:47 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Oct 6 19:11:51 2026. Newark violence just isn't much of an attention getter. It's overshadowed by New York violence.Newark should be it's own tv market and then these crimes would get more attention. LOL @ Josh is Wolk. I don't know if Bauman would debate him. Josh Wolk looks like a 3 meter diver. Not a Lacrosse player. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Oct 6 20:21:48 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 19:38:47 2026. Newark violence just isn't much of an attention getter.Alright but I'll continue to do what I can otherwise people will die. Now I realize this is the wrong board so I'll end my participation in this thread but did you hear about the early release from prison of the Colombo associate Vito "The Cleaver" Guzzo Jr.? He pleaded guilty to a handful of murders and only served twenty-something years before getting out last month. In court back in 1998, he described his crimes without emotion: "I killed Ralph Sciulla by shooting him in the head", he told the judge, reading from a piece of paper. "I killed Anthony Mesi by shooting him. I shot John Borrelli." As part of my ongoing research, I came across the following gem referring to Guzzo Jr. on a message board : Stand up guy, I was behind him at the McDonald’s drive thru, he orders like a gentleman. I thought that was pretty good. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 20:38:17 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 6 19:22:42 2026. The L train used to be so crowded that I know people who got on at 6th or Union Square and went back to 8th Ave just to get a seat.Rush house PM trains going to Brooklyn were at capacity by the time they reached Union Square. Getting on at 3rd or 1st would be a task. My guess is the turnstile count at 3rd Ave is sufficient for MTA. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by zac on Wed Oct 7 09:54:31 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 20:38:17 2026. Getting on at first is easy enough because a lot of people get off there too. Between Stuy Town and alphabet city it is a verybusy station. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Oct 7 11:26:08 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by zac on Wed Oct 7 09:54:31 2026. And great restaurants like Taverna Kyclades and Hearth. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 7 18:44:40 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 20:38:17 2026. The L train used to be so crowded that I know people who got on at 6th or Union Square and went back to 8th Ave just to get a seat.It still happens. If I get on a train at 8th in the PM rush hour, when the train pulls in not everyone gets off. There are now 18 trains arriving at 8th between 7:37 AM and 8:35. There used to be a max of 15 in an hour. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 7 21:12:36 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 7 18:44:40 2026. There are now 18 trains arriving at 8th between 7:37 AM and 8:35. There used to be a max of 15 in an hour.Today, they had 21 scheduled to arrive at 8th Ave between 8:12 and 9:12 Here's the schedule that can be pasted into a spreadsheet "id0","stt_seq","sq_seq","trip_id","stop_id","arrival_time","departure_time","stop_sequence","pickup_type","dropoff_type" "?",52390535,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_040100_L..N01R","L01N","07:16:00","07:16:00",24,0,0 "?",52390583,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_040700_L..N01R","L01N","07:22:30","07:22:30",24,0,0 "?",52390630,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_041150_L..N02R","L01N","07:26:00","07:26:00",23,0,0 "?",52390654,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_041300_L..N01R","L01N","07:30:00","07:30:00",24,0,0 "?",52390701,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_041750_L..N02R","L01N","07:33:30","07:33:30",23,0,0 "?",52390725,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_041900_L..N01R","L01N","07:37:30","07:37:30",24,0,0 "?",52390773,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_042500_L..N01R","L01N","07:41:30","07:41:30",24,0,0 "?",52390820,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_042950_L..N02R","L01N","07:45:30","07:45:30",23,0,0 "?",52390844,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_043100_L..N01R","L01N","07:49:30","07:49:30",24,0,0 "?",52390892,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_043700_L..N01R","L01N","07:53:30","07:53:30",24,0,0 "?",52390939,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_044150_L..N02R","L01N","07:57:30","07:57:30",23,0,0 "?",52390987,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_044300_L..N01R","L01N","08:01:30","08:01:30",24,0,0 "?",52391035,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_044900_L..N01R","L01N","08:05:30","08:05:30",24,0,0 "?",52391072,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_045350_L..N02R","L01N","08:08:30","08:08:30",23,0,0 "?",52391096,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_045500_L..N01R","L01N","08:12:00","08:12:00",24,0,0 "?",52391167,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_045950_L..N02R","L01N","08:15:00","08:15:00",23,0,0 "?",52391191,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_046100_L..N01R","L01N","08:18:00","08:18:00",24,0,0 "?",52391228,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_046600_L..N02R","L01N","08:21:00","08:21:00",23,0,0 "?",52391462,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_048350_L..N05R","L01N","08:24:00","08:24:00",14,0,0 "?",52391276,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_046800_L..N01R","L01N","08:27:00","08:27:00",24,0,0 "?",52391300,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_047100_L..N01R","L01N","08:30:00","08:30:00",24,0,0 "?",52391348,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_047500_L..N01R","L01N","08:32:30","08:32:30",24,0,0 "?",52391609,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_049450_L..N05R","L01N","08:35:00","08:35:00",14,0,0 "?",52391410,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_048000_L..N01R","L01N","08:37:30","08:37:30",24,0,0 "?",52391448,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_048350_L..N01R","L01N","08:40:00","08:40:00",24,0,0 "?",52391509,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_048750_L..N02R","L01N","08:42:30","08:42:30",23,0,0 "?",52391709,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_050450_L..N05R","L01N","08:45:00","08:45:00",14,0,0 "?",52391533,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_048950_L..N01R","L01N","08:48:00","08:48:00",24,0,0 "?",52391595,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_049450_L..N01R","L01N","08:51:00","08:51:00",24,0,0 "?",52391856,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_051350_L..N05R","L01N","08:54:00","08:54:00",14,0,0 "?",52391681,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_050050_L..N01R","L01N","08:57:00","08:57:00",24,0,0 "?",52391732,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_050500_L..N02R","L01N","09:00:00","09:00:00",23,0,0 "?",52392003,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_052250_L..N05R","L01N","09:03:00","09:03:00",14,0,0 "?",52391780,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_050750_L..N01R","L01N","09:06:00","09:06:00",24,0,0 "?",52391842,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_051250_L..N01R","L01N","09:09:00","09:09:00",24,0,0 "?",52392113,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_053150_L..N05R","L01N","09:12:00","09:12:00",14,0,0 "?",52391941,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_052000_L..N02R","L01N","09:16:00","09:16:00",23,0,0 "?",52391965,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_052050_L..N01R","L01N","09:19:00","09:19:00",24,0,0 "?",52392261,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_054200_L..N05R","L01N","09:22:30","09:22:30",14,0,0 "?",52392075,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_052750_L..N01R","L01N","09:26:00","09:26:00",24,0,0 "?",52392151,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_053300_L..N01R","L01N","09:29:30","09:29:30",24,0,0 "?",52392419,89,"BSP26GEN-L053-Weekday-00_055250_L..N05R","L01N","09:33:00","09:33:00",14,0,0 There were 24 tph arriving at 8th Ave at one time, without keying by. CBTC braking headways are 8 seconds longer than a properly designed fixed block system. That's part of the problem. A second problem is the direction reversing time at 8th Ave. A third is the software they use to make up the schedules. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Oct 7 22:58:34 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Oct 7 21:12:36 2026. Another issue is announcements.They take longer than when the conductors made them. Trains are losing at least 5 seconds per station it seems. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by ItalianStallion on Thu Oct 8 13:53:05 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Oct 7 22:58:34 2026. Can’t the train just leave even if the announcement is still going on? |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Oct 8 14:06:23 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by ItalianStallion on Thu Oct 8 13:53:05 2026. No.The automated announcements are computerized. But the conductor can shut the doors before the announcement finishes to speed things up. They're aren't supposed to do this and can be written up for it. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by ItalianStallion on Fri Oct 9 16:50:49 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Oct 8 14:06:23 2026. I find this hard to believe. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 9 18:29:16 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by ItalianStallion on Fri Oct 9 16:50:49 2026. ?I don't understand what part you find hard to believe. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 10 08:31:21 2026, in response to Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 6 18:27:03 2026. If there's a chance within even 200 years that this station would connect with the SAS, you absolutely keep it intact, no matter what.Meanwhile, it's technically possible the station is currently doing more harm than good, but another thing to look at besides the high majority of passengers just riding through (as happens at many stations anyway) is whether the train would get held up somewhere else because of the 8th Ave relays. Basically, would the trains be spaced (or even a train removed from the line?) such that you'd get all the way into 8th Ave a minute faster, or would the train just sit around somewhere else and give away the saved time? IMO with the current L train operation unless an actual full train is being removed from the line, it's not likely that the other trains will be getting all the way back and forth (between 8th Ave and Canarsie) any faster. On railroads where timed connections are often key, sometimes a single stop is skipped as part of a regular service pattern just to help ensure a big connection (such as where many trains are expected to arrive somewhere at the same time to enable lots of passenger connections). The connection is, in this case, deemed more important than serving one additional station. But none of that applies on something like the L train, which isn't running with timed connections in mind. |
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Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line |
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Posted by ItalianStallion on Sat Oct 10 14:41:04 2026, in response to Re: Some guy is suggesting the closure of 3rd Ave on the L line, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 9 18:29:16 2026. That the conductor has to wait for a computerized announcement to end before he can close up and leave. |
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