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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Oct 3 18:25:59 2026 Tuscarora Almanac for October 3 1955 - from The Book of First Runs This is the first day of operation of Staten Island Railway cars (Class ME-1) on the BMT. They ran as a #5 Culver-Nassau Street Local and consisted of cars 2904, 2921, 2922. (original nos: 329, 350, 345) 1969 – from The Book of Last Runs This is the last night of operation of Q-Type wooden elevated cars. It was also the last night of operation for the Myrtle Avenue El south of Broadway. The final train ran as an “MJ” Myrtle Avenue Local (BMT Rt. 11) and left Metropolitan Avenue at 11:38 PM, October 3. It left from Bridge-Jays Streets at 12:13 AM, October 4 and arrived back at Metropolitan Avenue at 12:43 AM. The consist was (S) 1619ABC,1616CBA. It was followed by an empty backup train with cars (S) 1613CBA,1610CBA. During the last rush hour these trains and two others were in operation. The consists of the other two trains was 1602CBA,1611CBA and 1620CBA,1629ABC. There were two post abandonment fan-trips, one on October 4 for the Electric Railroaders Association and another on October 5 for the Trolley Museum of New York. The consists on both trips was 1629ABC and 1616CBA. Among the dignitaries in attendance was our good friend Bill Newkirk. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 3 19:58:22 2026, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Oct 3 18:25:59 2026. And IINM Big Ed was the motorman on of the fantrips. |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Oct 3 22:14:18 2026, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Oct 3 18:25:59 2026. I missed out riding the Qs on that last day because the announcement said the service would end at midnight on Saturday, which I mistakenly thought meant midnight at the end of Saturday, not at the beginning. When I got to Metropolitan Av Saturday afternoon, I found two arnine M trains waiting at the platform. Eventually I figured out what had happened. While waiting on the platform, one of the M trains left, and the Q fan train pulled in, loaded with people with cameras. The doors didn't open and the train left again, still loaded. When I later took an M train past the yard, I got lots of photos of the Q trains all lined up, in addition to the photos I got of the fan train in the station. In the late '60s I had ridden the Qs several times, mostly for fun. They had actual canvas straps. This was the Sunday fan trip:   
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 4 07:47:56 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by gbs on Sat Oct 3 22:14:18 2026. I remember seeing the Q cars on the Myrtle Ave. el as they passed over the Broadway el station from the RFW of Curly Joe trains. I thought, man, they look old. Truth be told, I felt the same way about the BMT standards the first time I saw them, too. Never rode on the Qs, though. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 4 17:06:05 2026, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Oct 3 18:25:59 2026. Ridgewood, Queens always felt like an extension of Brooklyn. One reason was the 4 and 6 family homes. The other was the Myrtle Ave el connecting Ridgewood to the "downtown" business district of Brooklyn which was so important back then.Refresh my memory. When the MJ service ended, what service change did this bring to the M line? |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Oct 4 18:37:53 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 4 17:06:05 2026. Refresh my memory. When the MJ service ended, what service change did this bring to the M line? Prior to October 1969 the "M" train ran between Metropolitan Avenue during rush hours. When the "MJ" was discontinued the "M" would run M-F from 6 AM to 7 PM. During other times an ""SS" shuttle would run between Metropolitan Avenue and Myrtle Avenue on the Broadway-Brooklyn Line. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 4 23:02:34 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Oct 4 18:37:53 2026. But what was the Manhattan terminal for the M following the end of service to Jay Street?I know it varied between Broad St and Chambers St. I've read articles about people on the M complaining that terminating at Chambers was inconvenient because so many worked in the Financial District along Fulton and Broad St stations. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 5 04:00:53 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 4 23:02:34 2026. But what was the Manhattan terminal for the M following the end of service to Jay Street? Throughout the sixties the Manhattan terminal for the No.10 Myrtle Avenue - Chambers Streets trains was of course Chambers Street. Effective on July 1,1968 these trains by now designated as "M" were extended to Broad Street. They remained a rush hour only operation until October 1969 when the "MJ" was discontinued. Thereafter service to Broad Street ran M-F from 6 AM to 7 PM. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 5 04:35:56 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 5 04:00:53 2026. IINM Moe trains also ran express between Myrtle Ave. and Marcy Ave. in the peak direction during rush hours. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 5 05:23:37 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 5 04:35:56 2026. That is correct. The No 15 trains ran express between Eastern Parkway and Essex Street stopping only at Myrtle Avenue. The No. 10 trains ran express between Myrtle Avenue and Marcy Avenue. It should be noted that the switches between the express and local tracks were local east of the Marcy Avenue station. So No. 15 trains ran non-stop through the station on the local tracks. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 5 07:15:59 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 5 05:23:37 2026. the switches between the express and local tracks were local east of the Marcy Avenue station. So No. 15 trains ran non-stop through the station on the local tracks.That wasn't always the case. They used to be west (rr north?) of Marcy Ave. Before the connection of the 14th St Line to Atlantic Ave, all Canarsie trains operated as Broadway-Brooklyn Locals to Canal St. The original switch position, permitted the BMT to operate 52 tph in the preferred direction over the Williamsburg Bridge (and 30 tph in the reverse direction). My theory is that moving the switch was motivated by the desire to eliminate a tower position at Marcy. Locating the switch east of Marcy permitted remote operation. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 5 11:31:31 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 5 07:15:59 2026. I believe that the new switches were placed in service in February, 1960. Effective on February 23,1960 Myrtle-Chambers Expresses began stopping at Marcy Avenue. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 5 20:50:54 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 4 07:47:56 2026. I was lucky enough to ride the Q cars on the 3rd Ave el, as well as the Myrtle Ave line. Luckily, I was able to make two round trips on Oct 3rd, 1969. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 6 02:00:16 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 5 07:15:59 2026. As originally planned, Essex St Master Tower was to have controlled the Marcy Ave interlocking so lo ating the switches east (RR south) of the station would mean that all trains would stop at Marcy and M/M would then use the route selector to notify Essex St how to line up the train. Although the interlocking is now controlled by ENY Master Tower, the end result is still the same. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 6 07:58:52 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 6 02:00:16 2026. The basic problem was that remote towers did not have train identification, along with its presence at an interlocking. The problem was solved on the Flushing Line by using the Identra system.London Transport used a different system that dated to the 1930's. They used a primitive computer, based on a jacquard loom that identified train routes and automatically set the switch. It also rules for overriding merge order, if a train were late. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 6 09:17:04 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 6 07:58:52 2026. What was the identification issue on the Flushing Line since all trains running there shared identical origin and destination? |
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Posted by Q65A on Tue Oct 6 09:49:11 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 6 07:58:52 2026. When did they stop using the Identra system?As a kid riding the 7 line, I never knew what those flat shaped metal panels were used for. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 6 10:41:02 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 6 09:17:04 2026. Express/Local. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 6 14:16:50 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Q65A on Tue Oct 6 09:49:11 2026. Me neither. I was clueless riding the 7 train to Shea Stadium all those years. It was another thing the motormen had to carry around. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 8 03:15:16 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 6 09:17:04 2026. They did NOT all have the same origin and destination. Some AM locals were put in at 111 St. At least one AM express was put in at Willets Pt. N/B selected AM lcls terminated at 111 St and in the PM some N/B lcls terminated at Willets Pt. During the 1964/65 World’s Fair, N/B lcls that laid up in Corona Yd terminated at Willets Pt instead of 111 St. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 8 09:22:13 2026, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 3, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 8 03:15:16 2026. It was on the same line as in all trains were #7s & not 4-5 or 6s for example. Thats what I meant |
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