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Re: [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Mark S. Feinman* on Fri Sep 26 15:07:02 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 22 19:01:16 2025.* Yep, I remember the IRT bar car for a day! --Mark
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Fri Sep 26 19:51:17 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars, posted by Q65A on Fri Sep 26 09:04:09 2025.* The IND old timers were quite literally music to my ears. In all fairness, the BMT standards had spur-cut bull and pinion gears as well, and they moaned and groaned in the same manner.
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars
Posted by randyo* on Sat Sep 27 03:27:43 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 26 12:26:54 2025.* The GE R-16s through 21s made the whining sound when accelerating. The R-22s made a humming sound which my mother said sounded like a propeller airplane taking off. The sound was from a fan that on those GEs was used to cool the resistor bank unlike the WH cars that had air cooled resistors.
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars
Posted by murray1575* on Sat Sep 27 06:47:23 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 27 03:27:43 2025.* Those GE equipped cars were much less reliable than their Westinghouse equipped contemporaries. When the R26 cars were introduced GE went back to the older air cooled resistor banks.
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars
Posted by Q65A* on Sun Sep 28 09:12:58 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: R-16 Cars, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 26 12:26:54 2025.* Thanks Bill! I also rode the Lex during that same period and, now that you mention it, I think I heard that sound from the R17s that ran on the 6.
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[PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 21 09:55:32 2025.* Here we go ! Part 2 of Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway In 1971, some IND rolling stock was set aside as museum cars and immaculately restored. Three cars headed by #1440 were in revenue service on the Culver Shuttle seen here at Ft. Hamilton Pkwy. (September 4, 1971) Stored at Coney Island yard in 1965, R-1 #193 was involved in a catastrophic collision.. If you have any details about this, please respond. R-1 #331 in a snow storm at Beach 105th St. on the Rockaway Line. (undated photo) Concourse yard in a winter scene on February 8, 1967 R-4 #491 was retired and became a school car (#SC491) and sat at Jamaica yard for many years. #491 was brought out of retirement and restored and is currently now a member in good standing with the museum fleet. (April 16, 1972) Wheel truing machine at either 207th St or Coney Island shops. (undated photo) LIRR Far Rockaway station view towards the future IND Far Rockawy station. At this time all service ended at Wavecrest (Beach 25th St.). The IND Far Rockaway station would open two years later in 1958. (June 30, 1956) 1927 view of the site clearing and construction for the 207th St. yard and shops Builder's photo of brand new R-7A #1551. (May 17, 1938) R-4 #567 seen on the new viaduct near the Carroll St. station. The 168th St. Washington Heights station before opening to the public. (undated photo) R-7A #1575 in service seen here at Stillwell Ave. Coney Island. Involved in a wreck, was rebuilt to test a new design for the R-10 contract. #1575 was always an oddball and a favorite of rail fans for years. (February 24, 1968) IND connection to the former Fulton St line and Rockaways about to open for service. Photo was taken on a "C" Type fan trip. (April 22, 1956) R-4s #484 and #766 were tested for upgrades that included indirect "bullseye" lighting, a P.A. system and unique green paint scheme. This is how #484 looked long before being selected a a museum car. (June 1958) 34th St. and 6th Ave. station before the November 1967 "Christie St." connection that changed BMT & IND service. (undated photo). R-6-3 #938 leading an (HH) train approaching the Beach 90th St. station. (July 16, 1972) A 207th St. shops view of R-1 #336 undergoing some kind of repair work involving red lead rust primer paint on parts of the front. If anyone knows the reason for this work, let me know. (August 1960) R-6-3 #1143 assigned to the (EE) Broadway local at Times Sqaure 42nd St. The "8th Ave" underneath the "EE" was painted over for Broadway subway service. (undated photo) R-7 #1537 assigned to the (KK) Broadway - 6th Ave service seen here on the Williamsburg Bridge. (September 21, 1968) And for the last photo, East 105 St. on the (LL) 14th St. Canarsie line. The (KK) train may have been laid up at Rockaway Pkwy yard or was incorrectly signed. Did any (KK) service start at Rockaway Parkway ? That 2 door 1964 Chevy Impala would be popular today. (August 15, 1968)
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Sun Sep 28 11:15:35 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025.* That KK train at E. 105th may have followed in the footsteps of its predecessor, the JJ. Some JJ trains were put in from Rockaway Parkway.
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Posted by jabrams* on Sun Sep 28 13:52:37 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 28 11:15:35 2025.* Never saw any JJ put ins from Rockaway Parkway. Rode on many KK's from Bway ENY to Rockaway Parkway during rush hours and in reverse from RP to Bway ENY.
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Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Bill West* on Sun Sep 28 14:45:08 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025.* 8th picture, 207th yard clearing, nicely captures TARS's 1904 Kingsbridge power house. This link has good coverage of it. Later corporate changes diminished the plant's importance and it faded away in favour of other plants. This site also has coverage. Bill PS: great photo series, Bill
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Sun Sep 28 14:57:00 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025.* Bill: R-1 193 was involved in a collision with R-6 1327 in 1964. She was scrapped on June 9, 1966. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Sep 28 15:07:39 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Sep 28 14:57:00 2025.* R-1 193 was involved in a collision with R-6 1327 in 1964. She was scrapped on June 9, 1966. Thank you Larry. I always can count on you to come up with this kind of info. Bill M.
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Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Sep 28 15:17:17 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill West on Sun Sep 28 14:45:08 2025.* 8th picture, 207th yard clearing, nicely captures TARS's 1904 Kingsbridge power house. PS: great photo series, Bill Thank you Bill and thanks for the links. Bill M..
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Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Wallyhorse* on Sun Sep 28 15:21:48 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025.* Excellent: The snowstorm photo on the Rockaway Line could have been either Christmas Eve 1966 or late 1969, The KK at Beach 105 might have been a re-route. Or it was signed wrong, Some JJ trains then did run to Canarsie from Broadway-Brooklyn.
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Sun Sep 28 17:14:23 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 28 15:21:48 2025.* I remember that Christmas Night blizzard in 1969. It took us four hours to get home to Jersey from a party in Glen Cove.
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Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Sep 28 18:26:44 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 28 15:21:48 2025.* Thanks Wally. Bill M.
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Sun Sep 28 19:23:34 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 15:07:39 2025.* You're welcome Bill. Thank you for this marvelous set of photos that you have been posting. They bring back a lot of memories. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Sep 28 20:38:21 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025.* Great pictures. Thanks for sharing. Seeing the photos you post always makes for a flood of good memories. Keep 'em coming!
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Posted by gbs* on Sun Sep 28 22:21:40 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025.* *That 2 door 1964 Chevy Impala would be popular today* That's a '65 Chevy, followed by a '60 Ford. 1964: 1965:
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Sep 29 03:36:25 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 28 15:21:48 2025.* The snowstorm phot on the Rockaway Line is pre 1962. The M/M of the train is the late George J. Abere Jr who became a train dispatcher in 1962 so the photo predated that year. As for the R-4s with bullseye lighting, the other car besides 484 was 744 not 766. Both cars also were equipped with PA systems and were initially supposed to be kept together at the C/R’s position so PA announcements could be made.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Mon Sep 29 06:37:25 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 29 03:36:25 2025.* Thanks for the correct of R-4 #744. As far as #744 goes, I've never seen any interior photos, it's always #484. On that photo of the late George Abere Jr., the last time I saw him was at a train show at Liberty State Park in 1994. He looked thinner in '94 as compared with the snowstorm photo. Bill M.
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Posted by Wallyhorse* on Mon Sep 29 17:45:47 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 18:26:44 2025.* You're welcome.
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Posted by Wallyhorse* on Mon Sep 29 17:48:35 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 29 03:36:25 2025.* Interesting on the snowstorm photo (and you would know that way better than me). He looked more like what I would have expected someone to look like in 1966 or '69, not before 1962, and especially in a color photo like that.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Sep 29 19:49:30 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 29 17:48:35 2025.* What difference would it make. M/M who picked Rockaway runs always “dressed for Alaska” in winter even in the old days.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Sep 30 06:50:00 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 29 19:49:30 2025.* What difference would it make. M/M who picked Rockaway runs always “dressed for Alaska” in winter even in the old days. How was the cab heaters ? Bill M.
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Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway
Posted by Wallyhorse* on Tue Sep 30 09:13:27 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 29 19:49:30 2025.* True, but it was just surprising to me.
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Posted by Q65A* on Tue Sep 30 09:22:59 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 28 09:30:09 2025.* Amazing pix, as always! Is the livery on that school car 491 the one usually seen on R10s?
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Sep 30 14:23:03 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 30 06:50:00 2025.* R-1/9s didn’t have separate cab heaters and even with that, the crews weren't in the cabs 100% of the time. They had to get out at the terminals and walk the platform,
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Sep 30 15:07:51 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 28 17:14:23 2025.* What car were you guys in
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Tue Sep 30 15:13:56 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 30 14:23:03 2025.* Bill might be asking if the R1/9's had good cab heat.
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Tue Sep 30 18:24:50 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Sep 30 15:07:51 2025.* Our '68 AMC Ambassador DPL. I learned to drive on it in '73, after we moved to Connecticut.
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Tue Sep 30 18:25:52 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Q65A on Tue Sep 30 09:22:59 2025.* No, the R-10s wore the racing stripe scheme. Almost the same teal blue, though.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Sep 30 18:36:24 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Q65A on Tue Sep 30 09:22:59 2025.* Amazing pix, as always! Is the livery on that school car 491 the one usually seen on R10s? Thank you. What do you think ?
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Sep 30 20:34:36 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 30 18:36:24 2025.* Nice pic. You'd think that when they built the wash track they'd include a brush or two to wash the rooves!
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Posted by randyo* on Wed Oct 1 02:02:12 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 30 20:34:36 2025.* They probably considered it non consequential. I seem to recall that when the R-22s were delivered, only the fronts and ends were painted “subway green.” The roofs were black.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Oct 1 09:39:56 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 1 02:02:12 2025.* You'd think that somebody from Jay St would see that and say that it looks terrible (those R10s). I guess that never happened.
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Wed Oct 1 19:00:33 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 30 18:36:24 2025.* That's the so-called half-and-half scheme. They should have kept the racing stripe paint job until the platinum mist-and-blue craze.
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Posted by randyo* on Thu Oct 2 02:46:07 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 1 19:00:33 2025.* While I liked the racing stripe scheme and hoped that the rest of the fleet would have received it, the half and half scheme wasn’t all that bad.
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Posted by BLE-NIMX* on Sun Oct 5 10:12:13 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 30 18:36:24 2025.* If i recall correctly there was a cigar smoking motor instructor Callaghan who broke us in on Jamaica P-Wire and we got to do our classroom in there. Nolan Reed was our breakin at Pitkin Yd and we used the three seater R10
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Oct 5 10:48:27 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Oct 5 10:12:13 2025.* Cool
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 5 12:11:26 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Oct 5 10:12:13 2025.* If i recall correctly there was a cigar smoking motor instructor Callaghan who broke us in on Jamaica P-Wire and we got to do our classroom in there. Nolan Reed was our breakin at Pitkin Yd and we used the three seater R10 Did #3189 have the third seats at that time ? They were removed at some time and currently not there. Bill M.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Oct 6 03:20:51 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Oct 5 10:12:13 2025.* What year was that? In 1968 and 69 the only school car M/Is I recall were Cunningham Tanner and Mc Donagh on the IND and Warren Kuhl, Walter White and John Cavanaugh and Lenny Lacyk on the BMT.
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Posted by BLE-NIMX* on Mon Oct 6 14:45:25 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:11:26 2025.* Yes it had the 3 seats as school car
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Posted by BLE-NIMX* on Mon Oct 6 14:46:12 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 6 03:20:51 2025.* 1988
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Posted by BLE-NIMX* on Mon Oct 6 14:47:46 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 6 03:20:51 2025.* Did Cavanaugh wear a fedora sometimes with the cigar? Im not remembering as well as i used to but he did Jamaica breakins
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Oct 7 03:19:45 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Oct 6 14:47:46 2025.* I don’t recall.
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Oct 7 03:20:32 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART 2 - Odds & Ends Of The IND Subway, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Oct 6 14:46:12 2025.* That explains why I don’t remember him.
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