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Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 17:32:51 2024 It was better with incandescent bulbs |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 22 17:40:39 2024, in response to Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 17:32:51 2024. Very easy work.Increased light output, much lower wattage. Makes a tree hugger electrician like me smile. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 22 18:46:57 2024, in response to Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 17:32:51 2024. I still remember when the entire Fulton St. line had incandescent lighting on station platforms. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 19:50:15 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 22 18:46:57 2024. I can't find an old station photograph with incandescent bulbs. Have all the incandescent photos been deleted from the historical record? It was a wonderful time. No crime in the system. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by zac on Mon Apr 22 21:38:00 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 22 18:46:57 2024. Weren't the stations beyond ENY equipped with florescents right from the start?I remember when the entire IND was incandescent bulbs. It was dark and dreary. I can remember taking an F train in Brooklyn long after I thought they were all done and 15th/PP and Ft Hamilton Pkwy still had them. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Apr 22 21:43:40 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by zac on Mon Apr 22 21:38:00 2024. Yes. The last section to Euclid that opened around 1948 had florescents as original equipment. Then Grant in 1950. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 21:44:51 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Apr 22 21:43:40 2024. Grant opened in 1956. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 22:10:47 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by zac on Mon Apr 22 21:38:00 2024. "I remember when the entire IND was incandescent bulbs. It was dark and dreary." Exactly matching the way I felt. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 22:39:58 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Apr 22 21:43:40 2024. At about 7:42 in the classic 1949 Rapid Transit documentary, you see Euclid Ave station with fluorescent lighting. A harbinger of the end of incandescent lighting.Anyone know the name of the Board of Transportation chairman showing the future to Mayor William O'Dwyer, who nervously chews the frame of his glasses as he contemplates the replacement of incandescent lighting. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Apr 23 01:24:39 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 19:50:15 2024. I'm not sure that the "no crime in the system" was related to the incandescent lighting, but there's no question about the warmth and attractiveness of the yellow glow.       
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Apr 23 04:40:54 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by gbs on Tue Apr 23 01:24:39 2024. LOVE those old timers!:) |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by zac on Tue Apr 23 08:28:55 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by gbs on Tue Apr 23 01:24:39 2024. That's how I remember the IND. I'd come off an R32 Q train at 34th St, and descend down, and it is a long way down, into the past of darkness. Even though the IND was the newest system it felt like the oldest.You can see in the next to last pic that the fixtures were being installed at 34th St by then. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:05:12 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by zac on Mon Apr 22 21:38:00 2024. "I remember when the entire IND was incandescent bulbs. It was dark and dreary." Exactly matching the way I felt. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:05:16 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 22 18:46:57 2024. I can't find an old station photograph with incandescent bulbs. Have all the incandescent photos been deleted from the historical record? It was a wonderful time. No crime in the system. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 23 10:10:57 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 19:50:15 2024. What A marvelously insightful observation! "It was a wonderful time. No crime in the system." The obvious conclusion to be drawn being, fluorescent lights cause crime. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:22:08 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by gbs on Tue Apr 23 01:24:39 2024. "I'm not sure that the "no crime in the system" was related to the incandescent lighting, but there's no question about the warmth and attractiveness of the yellow glow."Perfectly described. The warmth of the lighting would soothe my IBS problem whenever I was in the subway. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:25:49 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 23 10:10:57 2024. "What A marvelously insightful observation! "It was a wonderful time. No crime in the system." The obvious conclusion to be drawn being, fluorescent lights cause crime. "You got it. Wait till you see the carnage after all the harsh brain irritating LED lights are fully installed. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:34:48 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:25:49 2024. I was just checking on Google about the dangers of LED lighting to your eyes. Several ocular experts advise keeping your solar eclipse glasses for use when entering an LED lit station. If you threw them away, a good pair of welding glasses or a full welding helmet should suffice. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Apr 23 11:24:45 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by zac on Mon Apr 22 21:38:00 2024. The switch to fluorescent bulbs at Broadway-East New York exposed the tile pattern as bluish. Many mistakenly believed the color to be green with the incandescent bulbs. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Apr 23 11:25:58 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 22:39:58 2024. Not Col. Sidney Bingham? |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Apr 23 12:25:22 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by zac on Tue Apr 23 08:28:55 2024. You can see in the next to last pic that the fixtures were being installed at 34th St by then Yes. That photo, and these two, are dated Nov-Dec, 1970:   And let's hear it for the original yellow-family 34 St stripe. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 14:09:14 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:34:48 2024. So buy LEDS balanced to 2700Kelvin. The issue with many LEDs, much as had been thecase w/fluorescents,thebase light is way too blue. Often a 5000K LED will be both cheaper to buy and produce more limens per watt. The other rating oflight soutces is Color Rendering Index. In the FL tube replacement market tubes w/ catalog ## "7" are 7x cri, "8" 8x cri, and "9" 9x cri. Close reading of the specs will show the 9x cri lamps put out fewer lumens. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 14:23:43 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by W.B. on Tue Apr 23 11:25:58 2024. "Not Col. Sidney Bingham"I actually didn't know the name of the nervous white haired man who was showing Mayor O'Dwyer the reports. I was familiar with the Bingham name as he had some of the 1950's Mack buses capable of being converted to ambulances to transport any thermonucleated corpses to a safe lead lined sarcasparagus. So your suggestion led me to here. The fourth photo shows our white haired chairman pointing at the innards of a turnstile which was opened by some dirty looking maintainer who hopes to shake the chairman's hand later. But the white haired man is identified as William Reid. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 14:27:10 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 14:09:14 2024. "So buy LEDS balanced to 2700Kelvin. The issue with many LEDs, much as had been thecase w/fluorescents,thebase light is way too blue. Often a 5000K LED will be both cheaper to buy and produce more limens per watt."But wouldn't an LED operating at 2700 degrees Kelvin create an intolerable heat problem? |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 14:37:56 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 14:23:43 2024. 1947 Brooklyn Daily Eagle article on William (Bill) Reid |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 15:07:33 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 14:27:10 2024. No. These rating are expressions of the hue of the visible light,not an "operating" temperature. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 15:21:01 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 15:07:33 2024. "No. These rating are expressions of the you of the visible light,not an "operating" temperature.Okay, thanks. I was worried. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Apr 23 15:25:29 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 10:05:16 2024. I remember when they upgraded the Crosstown to fluorescent bulbs, a huge improvement in the lighting. The old incandescent globes were really dim, could barely read a newspaper. But with the fluorescents you could see how dirty the line's stations were. Aside from that, glad they also fixed the water leaks dripping into the station platform, hearing that on an otherwise quiet station in the dim original IND lighting was really creepy. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 16:13:17 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 15:07:33 2024. That’s a strange system. Shouldn’t it be by frequency or wavelength? |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 23 16:25:19 2024, in response to Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 17:32:51 2024. Over/under on 20% of them blinking on and off by Labor Day? |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 17:13:31 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 16:13:17 2024. I believe wavelength and "color temperature" are related. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 17:39:53 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 17:13:31 2024. "I believe wave length and "color temperature" are related."Wien's Law |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 17:45:09 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 16:13:17 2024. The Kelvin measure of a light source is the temperature of a radiating black body that emits that color light.LEDs obviously don't emit a single frequency (for example, "white" isn't a frequency of light but a blend of a wide range of frequencies). So you can't use frequency or wave length very well when describing an LED. Having said that much, I don't really understand the definition. Does a black body at 4000 Kelvin really radiate the same spectrum as a 4000 Kelvin LED, or is that just a useful approximation? |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 23 18:46:32 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Apr 22 21:43:40 2024. !79th Came not too long after Euclid. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 23 18:51:37 2024, in response to Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 17:32:51 2024. I have often though that if LEDs had been developed before or instead of fluorescents, a lot of money could have been saved by simply installing the LED bulbs in the existing light sockets instead of installing completely new light fixtures. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Apr 23 20:10:17 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 23 17:45:09 2024. "Does a black body at 4000 Kelvin really radiate the same spectrum as a 4000 Kelvin LED, or is that just a useful approximation?" This May help |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 23 21:56:16 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 23 18:51:37 2024. LED lights were not possible until the blue led was invented in the mid 90s. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 24 03:43:02 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 23 18:51:37 2024. I understand that. I was just making an observation. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 24 07:41:26 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by gbs on Tue Apr 23 01:24:39 2024. the warmth and attractiveness of the yellow glow.Maybe in the photographs, but in real life? I prefer the brightness of fluorescent lights to the dimness of incandescents. It bugged me a little that newer trains were so much brighter than the stations. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 24 07:43:05 2024, in response to Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Mon Apr 22 17:32:51 2024. Aren't the ballasts located in the fixtures? Shouldn't they be removed before putting in LEDs? |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Wed Apr 24 08:53:03 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 24 07:43:05 2024. Here's a little primer on replacing fluorescents with LED's |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 24 10:14:07 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Wed Apr 24 08:53:03 2024. I had used some LED tube that work with the old ballast remaining.I did not konw the ballast was still consuming power. I will remove the remaining ballasts for further reduced costs. Thanks for the info lead! |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Q65A on Wed Apr 24 10:18:47 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Apr 23 15:25:29 2024. I rode QBL for many years. When I was in high school, they changed from incandescent to fluorescent lighting from 65 St. gradually all the way to Continental Ave., and it made a huge difference. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by heypaul on Wed Apr 24 10:21:39 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 24 10:14:07 2024. My consulting bill is in the mail. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 24 10:26:30 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by heypaul on Wed Apr 24 10:21:39 2024. So is the check! |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Apr 24 10:36:41 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Q65A on Wed Apr 24 10:18:47 2024. I noticed very cold weather, especially at above ground stations with fluorescent lighting were/are subject to dimming.I believe many were replaced. Lighting at Aqueduct Racetrack station 
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 24 15:04:55 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Q65A on Wed Apr 24 10:18:47 2024. Indeed. I remember as a kid getting on an RR train of R27/30s at the 65th st sta. Those interior fluorescent train lights sure lit up the dimly lit incandescent bulb station platform. |
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Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade |
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Posted by Q65A on Thu Apr 25 11:45:51 2024, in response to Re: Before & After Video of Lafayette Ave LED Lighting Upgrade, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 24 15:04:55 2024. Yep; those BMT R27/30s really looked a lot more modern than the IND R1/9s running on QBL. |
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