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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 20:26:03 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 23 19:30:48 2022. Maybe because of bad leadership? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 23 20:28:06 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 20:26:03 2022. Maybe because their industry moved to China and Mexico over 40 years.It's a Ruby Red state, BTW. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 20:29:23 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 23 20:28:06 2022. . . . because of bad leadership. Every effec has a cause. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 20:30:01 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 23 20:28:06 2022. . . . because of bad leadership. Every effect has a cause. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 20:53:45 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 19:15:55 2022. I think of the airport lot in this case as a place to leave the car when taking either a plane or the train. Obviously the airport location is not adjacent the semi-abandonned downtown. So ask yourself in the context of a declining city (vacant downtown former office building or commercial sites, vacant lots where former manufacturing plants have been bulldozed) where your traveling market is. I don't live there, but my sense is that the largest "industry" in town is Notre Dame--which is not "downtown". Traditionally train stations were located where either commercial activity or other major 'destinations'existed. If none of those are near the ROW, then how do you propose to locate a station? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 21:20:19 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 20:30:01 2022. yes, and the hollowing out of the US industrial base has indeed been because of treasonous leadership--both Wall Street, and their bought crooks within the beltway. FWIW, have YOU ever bought anything manufactured in SB? Do you even know which industries were there? For over a century RACO, a major maker of electrical boxes and fittings has been in SB. When I entered the electrical trade 50 yrs. ago, ALL of their products were made in SB; today they list both US and off shore manufactured products. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 21:33:22 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 23 19:30:48 2022. gawd damn.i posted "... a parking lot station not walkable to the namesake city is lame." you responded "It ain't much of a city anymore. It's called the rust belt for a reason." let's see if i can parse what you posted. the reason a train station for a city isn't centrally located is because it's a rust belt city currently lacking, according to you a worthy vibrancy? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 21:55:49 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 20:53:45 2022. it's illogical to state that a station located, say, a mile from the downtown is any closer to or further from where the "traveling market" is located.i don't care how many vacant lots there are, it's still better than an out of town parking lot and a bus shelter. it's pretty damned elitist to think that it's better to abandon the core of the city because low intelligence weaklings are afraid. so, yes, keep the in town stations open. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 22:13:17 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 21:20:19 2022. Yes; leftists within same.Perhaps I did buy things made in South Bend in the past, but that is not a factor in industry relocation. If I can buy products made in South Bend today, I'd be most happy to do so. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 22:14:05 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 21:33:22 2022. Good luck getting his brain to work. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 22:17:19 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 21:55:49 2022. What I am trying to get across is that there is NO densely active 'hood near the NS ROW/former NYC and GTW downtown station. So, where do you put a station for maximum passenger convenience? The center of gravity of SB is dispersed and not concentrated near existing rails.Noticing these facts is not elitist per se. At least using the airport gave CSS&SB an "intermodal" location. As intercity bus service becomes a faded memory, even that choice is less useful than when it was decided on. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 22:24:16 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 23 22:13:17 2022. You can, but many fewer because there are fewer factories located there. The work either disappeared or went somewhere cheaper. Bottom line, way fewer jobs, less total economic activity within the 'metro.' |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 22:38:55 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 22:17:19 2022. stop with the "densely populated 'hood" jive. that literally has no bearing. the old union station is definitely located at the reasonably considered periphery of downtown south bend. it's walkable to downtown where, contrary to what you allude to there are plenty of in-town destinations.the current station was pushed by...guys who think like you do. yeah, that elitist mentality. when you get off the train there is nothing close to it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 07:05:56 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 21:33:22 2022. Do you have a damn clue what you are talking about ?There is not much anything of a"downtown" as others have told you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 07:05:57 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 21:33:22 2022. Do you have a damn clue what you are talking about ?There is not much anything of a"downtown" as others have told you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 07:07:06 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 22:38:55 2022. Oh shut up. There's nothing downtown. It is not 1962. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 07:15:04 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 22:38:55 2022. NS won't let a station be relocated to where Union Station was. I told that you that also, but you can't accept it. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Jun 24 10:48:13 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 07:05:56 2022. define "not much of". |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri Jun 24 11:44:20 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 19:25:12 2022. I have used the South Bend airport only for connecting from an intercity bus (then operated by Lakefront Lines; today Barons Bus, Miller Transportation, and Greyhound Lines all operate to and from South Bend) to a South Shore train, never a local transit bus. The South Shore trains are intercity transportation, not local transit, so the presence of a local transit service, while not unhelpful, is not particularly meaningful. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Jun 24 13:06:19 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by BusMgr on Fri Jun 24 11:44:20 2022. the transpo # 4 local bus goes to the airport from the train station. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Jun 24 13:12:16 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by BusMgr on Fri Jun 24 11:44:20 2022. 
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 13:46:17 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jun 24 10:48:13 2022. Not worth building a railroad for.Michigan City is becoming a suburb of Chicago. South Bend is not. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 24 15:20:27 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 13:46:17 2022. check outthe huge amount of surface parking downmtown.https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6792237,-86.2543738,37m/data=!3m1!1e3 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 16:09:32 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 13:46:17 2022. Not because it's cut off from the railroad, maybe?And perhaps Michigan City should be a suburb of South Bend? Stop excusing central planners and their leftism. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 16:40:41 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jun 24 13:12:16 2022. That map is showing some of the former street running route. Interesting. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 16:43:12 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jun 23 22:38:55 2022. That's the same jive they talk when trying to make anti-HSR arguments, ironically enough. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Jun 24 18:25:17 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 24 16:43:12 2022. he's parroting corporate mindset-speak. i dont mean to be judgemental but he's like a talking pdf file. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 20:04:43 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 23 21:20:19 2022. You had South Bend Lathe, South Bend Fishing Tackle, Wilson Brothers, US Rubber in Mishawaka and, of course, Studebaker. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 20:07:56 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 07:05:57 2022. South Bend went through an "urban renewal" phase some 50 years ago. Lots of older buildings were torn down resulting in all those vacant lots today. A few of them survived including the American Trust Company Bank building, where my mother worked until she had me. It's a restaurant now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 20:37:37 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 20:07:56 2022. Sounds like Elmira, NY.Urban renewal meant tearing down old downtown buildings and building parking lots. Arnot Mall in Horseheads finished the job. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 24 22:00:37 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 20:04:43 2022. From my visit there in 2008, it seemed there was a large area to the south of the NYC ROW that appeared to be former factories. IINM Worthington was there too. Makers IINM or feedwaterheaters for steam engines and presumably other pumps. I think they absorbed to remains of Studebaker. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 22:23:20 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 20:37:37 2022. Then to add insult to injury, Michigan St. was closed to all vehicular traffic and made into a mall, with autos being rerouted via St. Joseph St. All it managed to do was kill business downtown. They did away with the mall concept years ago and Michigan St. is once again open to traffic, but it's no longer the main artery through downtown. Traffic still skirts around via St. Joseph and Main Sts. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 22:26:02 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 24 22:00:37 2022. For some reason, I used to get the creeps looking at those Studebaker buildings. They looked so foreboding. We almost never went south of the NYC tracks downtown. The next time I'm in South Bend, I'm going to head down to at least Broadway, which is where the Miami streetcar route used to turn off from Michigan St. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 25 08:26:42 2022, in response to Re: Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 22:23:20 2022. This was a common thing in that era and it was commonly an abysmal failure. They did the same thing with Main Street in Poughkeepsie. They thought that every place can be Third Street in Santa Monica without thinking about why some places are popular with pedestrians. |
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