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Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022 His flight last week from DC to NYC was canceled so he drove. He's pissed that the flight was canceled and said his department has authority to enforce action against airlines that do not sufficiently maintain consumer-protection standards, potentially requiring them to hire more staff. What an effin moron. Drive? Hey numnutz, ever hear of Amtrak? They only have a few dozen trains between the two cities every weekday in each direction. A poster child of the morons in the Administration.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Pelham Exp* on Sun Jun 19 09:16:11 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* Again...He's in well over his head running the Dept of Transportation. The only thing he seems to be good at is enjoying the perks of the job.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jun 19 09:37:30 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Jun 19 09:16:11 2022.* That’s all across the board in the 2020s.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Jun 19 09:45:24 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* You had me at "moron".
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Jun 19 10:20:38 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 19 09:45:24 2022.* You realize you are offending the Morons of the world.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 10:46:05 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* If he needed a car in the NYC area, it is justifiable. Rental car prices in Manhattan are insane, like 150/day or more. They are far lower at the airports.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Dave* on Sun Jun 19 10:51:10 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 10:46:05 2022.* Are you for real? Ever hear of taking a taxi?
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Jun 19 11:00:29 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* I wonder if he made the trip in an electric car??
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Joe* on Sun Jun 19 11:04:37 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 10:51:10 2022.* I wonder what the travel statistics are between the 68 square miles of the District of Columbia and a similar chuck of the five boroughs. How many per day by Amtrak. How many per day by air? How many per day by highway? I suspect that the highway figure is the highest, but I cannot find figures to back it up.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Peter Rosa* on Sun Jun 19 12:42:53 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* It might have taken too long to make the security arrangements for him to use Amtrak.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 13:08:57 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 19 12:42:53 2022.* What security arrangements?
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Peter Rosa* on Sun Jun 19 13:41:23 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 13:08:57 2022.* What security arrangements? As a Cabinet secretary he undoubtedly has a security team, not from the Secret Service but more likely from the DOT. They need time to review his travel arrangements in advance.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 13:45:30 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 10:51:10 2022.* Do you know where in the NYC area he was going? Of course he wouldn't rent a car if his destination was Manhattan. But you didn't say that. Also, suppose he drove his private car to the airport, and then his flight was canceled. What now? Take your car home, and then make you way into DC for a train? Or drive to the MD suburban station? Or just say, screw it, I'll drive? The trade-offs between plane, train, and car depend on any number of factors. Between NYC and either the DC area or the Boston area, I've done all three, depending on the particulars.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 19 14:36:07 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 19 11:00:29 2022.* Like AOC?
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 19 14:36:54 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* Why would he be a moron for driving?
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 14:42:38 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 19 14:36:54 2022.* He would have been foolish to drive if his destination were midtown Manhattan. Better to drive to New Carrolton or whatever, and take the train. Dave probably assumes that his destination was easy to reach from NY Penn. He could be right or he could be wrong. The news article I saw doesn't say.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by The Silence* on Sun Jun 19 14:48:39 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 19 13:41:23 2022.* No, Cabinet members are protected by the Secret Service as well.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 19 14:50:23 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 14:42:38 2022.* There is parking in Manhattan. I’m sure he can afford it.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by The Silence* on Sun Jun 19 14:50:49 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* Dave... have you met the Secret Service? They once threated to sic a sniper on Mr. Met. If they wanted him on a train, he would have been on a train.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Dave* on Sun Jun 19 14:56:24 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 13:45:30 2022.* Keep digging that hole deeper.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Dave* on Sun Jun 19 15:02:19 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 19 14:50:49 2022.* Do you really think he had no security following and ahead of him when he drove? It's easier to get to someone driving a car on a highway than it is riding a train.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 19 15:17:34 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 15:02:19 2022.* It was easier to get motorcade security than train security. And did he actually drive or was he a passenger?
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 15:56:28 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 19 13:41:23 2022.* Wouldn't they need the same time to review his road travel arrangements? It's the same thing. Either way, I wouldn't imagine that's how it works. It's the government. They have preset options that come with logistics in place for such last minute changes. For whatever reason, driving is option number 2. Or at least it was in this instance.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 15:58:58 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 19 14:50:23 2022.* I doubt that parking is an issue. His car(s) would be sitting and waiting with a driver inside just outside or down the block. Just like how diplomats and other dignitaries do it.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 16:09:50 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* You would think that in light of climate change that the Secretary of Transportation would set an example and take the train as his first choice. It would appear to be yet another example of government rules and policies not applying to those that make the policy.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 16:12:03 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 19 15:17:34 2022.* I don't fault him too much for driving after his flight was canceled. There are logistics issues that may have made that the best second option once he was already at the airport. I do fault him for not initially planning to take rail.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 19 16:23:39 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 16:09:50 2022.* Good post.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 16:35:15 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 16:12:03 2022.* I do fault him for not initially planning to take rail. It all depends. No one knows his origin and destination points. Some pairs of points in the DC and NYC areas are best done by rail, some by plane, and some by driving. And of course security issues may complicate everything as well.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 16:41:03 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 14:56:24 2022.* So you don't know either, do you? I almost certainly have way more expertise on the topic of traveling between the NYC and DC, or NYC and Boston, metro areas than you do. I've done it easily 100 times (probably more) over the last 50 years. And I've determined the best method at different times was plane, car, train, and bus. It all depends on the two end points.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Elkeeper* on Sun Jun 19 17:16:36 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* How dare you disrespect the offspring of Alfred E Newman like that! LOL!
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Jun 19 17:37:14 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 19 14:50:49 2022.* Gee, there's a surprise. You rising to Buttjudge's defense
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Jun 19 17:40:55 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 19 15:17:34 2022.* It's called optics. You'd think that if the bidenistas want to discourage gasoline use and encourage reliance on public transportation, buttjudge would have used driving as a last resort.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 19 18:15:29 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 19 17:40:55 2022.* This is true. He should have been on the train in the first place.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sun Jun 19 18:24:27 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 16:09:50 2022.* If, and I have no special knowledge, Secret Service has preference for auto over rail, Buttigieg may not have been offered a choice. That said, of course I prefer that he use rail, but SS may think it easier to protect a small auto convoy as opposed to a scheduled train.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sun Jun 19 18:44:22 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 19 17:40:55 2022.* As I noted in another post, sometimes the security folks make decisions based on their preferences.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Jun 19 18:46:33 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 19 18:24:27 2022.* Couldnt the SS order everyone out of a particular car, commandeer it & have Pete with his entourage and the car all to himself?? Just wonderin
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sun Jun 19 19:01:36 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* I WANTED TO POST ON THIS WHAT HAS THAT LITTLE GIRL DONE FOR UNITED STATES TRANSPORTATION ?? THIS WEAK ASS FEMALE HAS HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DO SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO PUT A REAL MAN IN THERE TO GET SOMETHING DONE !! NOT SOME WEAK ASS SISSY LITTLE GIRL FAKING IN A BUSINESS SUIT SOMEBODY LIST PLEASE WHAT THIS WEAK ASS FEMALE HAS DONE ?? NOTHING !~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sun Jun 19 19:01:43 2022, in response to Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Dave on Sun Jun 19 07:41:49 2022.* I WANTED TO POST ON THIS WHAT HAS THAT LITTLE GIRL DONE FOR UNITED STATES TRANSPORTATION ?? THIS WEAK ASS FEMALE HAS HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DO SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO PUT A REAL MAN IN THERE TO GET SOMETHING DONE !! NOT SOME WEAK ASS SISSY LITTLE GIRL FAKING IN A BUSINESS SUIT SOMEBODY LIST PLEASE WHAT THIS WEAK ASS FEMALE HAS DONE ?? NOTHING !~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 19:20:35 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 19 18:24:27 2022.* I very much doubt Buttigieg gets Secret Service protection. He's way down the list of possible successors to the President.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 19:46:24 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 16:35:15 2022.* We don't know his origin point?
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 19:47:03 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 19 18:15:29 2022.* He should take whatever mode of transportation is reasonably time-effective (except private jet, of course). He is secretary of air transportation too, after all.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 19:48:48 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 19:46:24 2022.* I read one article that didn't state it. Dave isn't saying either. More important actually is his final destination when he gets back to DC. Is it near Union Station, or is it far from there?
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Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 19:52:54 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 19:47:03 2022.* There's a bigger picture than him saving time. What about climate change? What are the chances that his vehicle(s) were electric? Does he believe in climate change or is that just for everyone else?
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 19:59:00 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 19:48:48 2022.* His origin point is his home office location. His return point is irrelevant as that's a separate trip with travel logistics that could be the same or different.
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 20:13:24 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 19:52:54 2022.* You really think it's improper for him to take a regular commercial flight from DC to NYC?
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 20:17:21 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 19:59:00 2022.* His return point is irrelevant as that's a separate trip with travel logistics that could be the same or different. His return logistics can't be different if he drove/ This is pointless speculation without more facts. - We don't know where he started from. - We don't know where he was when he learned his flight was canceled, and whether he had his car with him there or not. - We don't know where he was going in the NYC area. - We don't know where he was returning to at the end of the trip. I can assure you from my many trips to DC and Boston that these all make a difference in one's decisions.
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Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 20:28:18 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 20:13:24 2022.* Absent any extenuating circumstances, yes. If climate change is to be taken seriously, then governments, especially his department, should lead by example. This trip is one of the few in the US that is competitive and often superior to flying.
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Posted by Easy* on Sun Jun 19 20:31:15 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 20:13:24 2022.* Absent any extenuating circumstances, yes. If climate change is to be taken seriously, then governments, especially his department, should lead by example. This trip is one of the few in the US where rail is competitive and often superior to flying.
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Posted by Dyre Dan* on Sun Jun 19 20:31:59 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 19 18:46:33 2022.* I would hope not. All cars on Amtrak trains should be open to the public.
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Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic)
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 19 20:32:26 2022, in response to Re: Buttigieg is a moron (on-topic), posted by Easy on Sun Jun 19 20:28:18 2022.* OK. But to what extent? Suppose end-to-end via train is 5 hours and plane is 2.5? (Maybe a slightly extreme case for DC to NYC but still quite possible for some itineraries.) Would you still say so then?
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